Ron Paul-my mother just watched NBC news and learned

[mrmpa]

that Ron Paul is running for President. She stated "he needs to give it up, he sounds so stupid, I have more brains in my little finger than he has in his skull."

Take that Ron Paul, from a federal retiree, 81 year old liberal democrat

[Drale]

1. O your mother lol

I though Ron Pauls mother found out that way. I was going to say, he's freaking ancient how old is his mother. :rofl:

[tularetom]

2. Freaking ancient?

I wondered about that so I googled him.

Turns out he's only 6 years older than me.

[Drale]

4. Maybe in years but

He was really born in 2000 BC and was frozen in time by aliens until 1935. :rofl:

PS: If you don't believe that lol I'm 23 so anyone over the age of 70 is ancient to me.

[monmouth]

5. Oh, dear,dear....LOL

[malaise]

3. Give her a hug for me

:D

[mrmpa]

6. I did!

[999998th word]

9. Great story on so many levels.

Thanks:thumbsup: :applause:

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Thank G-d for the senior citizens!

They're so much more intelligent than they're given credit for being. :)

[PDJane]

8. Mine claims that all republican'ts are

Either stupid, ignorant or greedy. I tend to agree.

[reggie the dog]

13. except that ron paul

does not vote just to block the democrats from doing anything, he votes his conscience and often times votes differently than the republicans do. ron paul is one of a few people in our government today that does not want it to become fascist and one of the few who ever talks about our rights and freedoms being done away with as folly.

he is bad on abortion, i know this, but other than abortion where is he so wrong or stupid?

[immoderate]

32. I'm confused when you say he is against fascism.

I consider fascism to be when corporations run the government. How is Ron Paul going to prevent this?

--imm

[reggie the dog]

34. from what i gather, through taxes in the form of import and export

taxes. ending corporate welfare, getting rid of regluation coming from DC and replacing it with state level regulation (his idea being that dc is too corrupted and that state capitals are easier for the people to keep in line), by dramatically reducing the military industrial complex thus reducing the power of these corporations, by changing the banking system to reduce the size of banks, by ending public bailouts of failiing banks and corporations (he said if something claims to be too big to fail then they should let it fail because it is too big)

i prefer a left wing attack at the federal level in the usa from someone like bernie sanders but i live in the European Union and over here each state does its own regulating of the economy, each state funds their own social welfare sytem, there is no E U army and the EU subsudies given do not come from an EU income tax because that does not exist.

[immoderate]

38. US is nowhere near as civilised as Europe.

For now you don't have the huge armies to feed politically and financially. But even so the people have to march, and marches do not do what they used to. What changed in France? Brittain? Even Egypt!

I do not see what prevents the states from being owned by corporations. Even goverors of liberal states are buying the fascist line. Witness the sell-off (give away) of public schools. Closing of public hospitals. Defunding public transportation. The entire health financing system is organized crime. Corporations are in direct control of all health care here, including if you get it.

--imm

[DCKit]

10. How could Paul's mother be so cruel to her widdle boy?

Yeah, I know, but your heading was ambiguous.

[PeaceNikki]

11. lol, I like your mom.

:D

[reggie the dog]

12. he sounds stupid when he spoke out agaist the wars in afghanistan

and irak??? does he sound stupid when he is anti corporate wellfare and when he wants to take power back from the banks and corporations? does he sound stupid when he says more regulation is needed for wall street? does he sound stupid when he speaks out against the partiot acts part I and II?? does he sound stupid when he speaks out against the TSA??? did he sound stupid when he spoke up about problems with the 911 commission report? does he sound stupid when he says we should end the war on drugs? does he sound stupid when he points out that instead of giving corporate welfare we could use that money to give help to our own people?

really abortion is the one place i dont like his political ideas.

enlighten me and tell me other times he is "stupid".

[bobbolink]

14. "really abortion is the one place i dont like his political ideas."

Thank you for declaring yourself.

That's why all the poverty issues just don't make your list.

[reggie the dog]

16. i am poor, of course they do

i have heard ron paul suggest taking all the billions or trillions we spend on corporate aid and suggesting that we spend it on helping people in our country.

he thinks that corporations should pay taxes on their earnings

he has floated funding public services with taxes from financial transactions

he has spoken against deregulation of wall street


if you know that he is anti poor point me out to where

i thought his suggestion to spend our welfare money on actual social welfare instead of corporate welfare was a damn good idea.

i am talking about ron paul, not the son rand paul. the father is anti corporate power. he wants government to be stronger than businesses. people like that are rare in congress no matter what party they are from.

[bobbolink]

21. He wants to "help" poor people by taking out all the programs that sustain life for us!

"i thought his suggestion to spend our welfare money on actual social welfare instead of corporate welfare was a damn good idea."

That is NOT his stand at all.

Further, he wants EVERYONE to pay the 25%-35% sales tax...which is as regressive as it gets, and will be the end of those of us on fixed incomes.

Maybe that doesn't matter to you.... Maybe you also think that is just great.

In fact, maybe ALL of the Ron Paul fans would like to see all of us poor people disappear.... as fast as possible.

[reggie the dog]

28. i live in a country with a 21% sales tax

there are no student loans for the university here either because tuition is between 4 and 300 euros per year depending on income level. all of my social welfare comes from my state of the EU not from the EU itself.

what if the aid you get in the usa came from your state instead of the federal government? need i mention that the EU has no EU military force thus no need for EU income taxes.

most people here in france do not have credit cards, we have debit cards and do not carry the average of 15000 dollars in high interest debt like so many americans.

but like i said, i prefer bernie sanders, but ron paul has good ideas about corporate welfare, the war on drugs, the war on terror, the wars in libya, afghanistan and iraq, and about the tsa. many of our own Democrats are far more stupid than ron paul on these issues.

[bobbolink]

43. I'm relieved to know you can't vote for Ron Paul.

[reggie the dog]

50. i could if i wanted to

i still vote in fedral elections, but i dont want to vote for him. i still have the crazy idea of voting for people like kucinich, grayson or sanders. i still agree with ron paul on issues such as the war on drugs, war on terror, the tsa, the patriot acts, the military industrial complex, and homeland security.

i disagree pretty much with all that i have now read about his economic policy and his stance on abortion.

[IndyPragmatist]

30. Ron Paul's tax policies are a lot better than anyone else's in DC

What are the other options

A) Massive tax breaks for the rich, with huge deficit spending, and a general policy that will keep the poor where they are.

B) Massive tax increases for the rich, increases on corporations, with huge deficit spending, and a general policy that will force jobs out of the country.

A sales tax is not regressive. Unless you think that the rich don't spend their money? I guess the $50,000 Lexus sitting outside of my apartment window right now was free. Businesses pass their taxes on to the consumer no matter what. Increasing the corporate tax rate will cause prices to jump drastically. We can get more revenue by taxing personal income more from the wealthy, because corporate taxes will just be paid by the consumer. A sales tax allows the tax burden to come out at the final stage of a market. Which means that costs of production will be as low as possible, and will ultimately make the total cost of a good with a high sales tax to be LOWER than a good with a normal sales tax that was taxed heavily during the many stages of production.

We are in a global economy, tax policies from 50 years ago don't make sense anymore. You can easily do business in most markets from anywhere in the world. This is why labor is outsourced. It is impossible to prevent it. But a prudent tax policy would provide conditions that would help keep jobs here, instead of forcing them to places where the costs of production are much lower.

And big corporations are nothing more than individuals who pool their money together to make as much profit as possible. Taxing individuals instead of corporations will keep the businesses in America. The individuals who are benefiting from the profits of a corporation will pay higher personal income taxes.

If we keep taxing big business, they will adjust to ensure they make their profit. One of the most common options is to cut labor that provides the least to the company. These are almost always the middle and lower class laborers. We can still get the tax revenue created by big businesses, but if we take it immediately from the business we will just hurt the middle and lower class. Taking it from an individual will just mean that instead of a 2 week trip to a 5* hotel in the south of France, that person may have to spend a week in Hawaii.

If anyone read all of that, I commend you. I rarely have the motivation to read posts this long. Ron Paul understand economics. He seems to be one of the few that are looking into changes to adapt to the modern world. Whereas most Dems and Reps are fighting over which tax policy from the past is best. We need to realize that the world is changing, and we must adapt or we will continue our decline into mediocrity.

[bobbolink]

44. There are, thankfully, still a FEW in D.C. who do stand up for poor people.

Paul is not only not one of them, he would wipe us out if he had the chance... as other posters here have said.

Not that it matters to the middleclass of the party... we are dead to them anyway.

Just don't continue to expect our votes in return for ignoring us.

[Modern_Matthew]

49. There's definitely a lot more on the right and left that actually deserve disrespect. nt

[Spike89]

22. The problem is he is purposefully vague on social issues

But he's also quite specific on ideological underpinnings. You don't name your son Rand and proclaim yourself a libertarian unless you are fairly well in that camp. It is simple to say "save the money we spend on the military and we can help the people at home" but that doesn't actually involve specific policy. He wants to drop taxes to virtually nothing and privatize almost everything.
Not only does he believe pot shouldn't be illegal (sure, I'm with him there), he doesn't believe it should be illegal to put pot in brownies without laberling them--or asbestos in children's toys. He doesn't believe the FDA should check that slaughterhouses don't pump up yields with cement and sawdust.
He's anti-public schools. Anti-social security, medicare...virtually all government social programs. Yeah, he wants all the money we spend overseas brought back here, but he wants uber-rich individuals to keep "their" money.

Stripped down, his philosophy is caustic, brutal, and totally amoral. It also wouldn't come close to working. He is no friend of the poor, the working poor, the middle class, or even the upper middle class. He is an elitist that doesn't believe in social benefits and obligations (the libertarian flaw).

[bobbolink]

27. Thank you. You said it better than I did. For anyone who calls themselves "poor" to support Ron

Paul... what a shame.

:cry:

[reggie the dog]

35. I get by on a thousand euros a month on average

is that poor enough for you?

[bobbolink]

45. LOL You know that France is a different situation from the US, so lets stop with the games already.

I'm just thankful you can't vote for Paul, and it is time to stop campaigning for someone you don't understand.

[reggie the dog]

48. i would never vote for ron paul

his view on abortion rights was already enough that i would not vote for him

if the usa could put in place a social welfare network like we have in france then americans could get by on a thousand a month. the places people have suggested reading on this thread has convinced me that ron paul is good for issues relating to the war on terror, the war on drugs, the military industrial complex, the patriot acts, and the tsa but that economically he is horrible.

[bobbolink]

52. You seem to have changed positions.

" know ron paul is horrible on abortion rights but where else is he so horrible"

Now its "but that economically he is horrible."

You were so certain with me, and now maybe you have heard what SEVERAL of us have tried to get through to you?

[reggie the dog]

53. when people gave me suggestions on what to read about, i did

and yes i think less of ron paul now

[reggie the dog]

29. is he anti public or anti federal?

i live in the eu and my state, france, is much more socialized than the UK, there is no federal control by the EU because the EU is still a confederation and has no standing army or military budged and no EU income tax.

france has its own "epa" as do all EU member states and most of us do not like the new EU controls coming into place.

[bobbolink]

26. "he has floated funding public services with taxes from financial transactions"

Of course... one more regressive tax.

He is big on regressive taxes.

[ecstatic]

18. You have really low standards. I'm sure you can find things you would agree with Hitler

on, that doesn't make him any less of an odious person.

1. Put the weed down and do some research on Ron Paul and all the things he would want shut down if he were to become president. It's not just "abortion." He doesn't feel health care is a right. He would shut down medicare, medicaid, and the dept. of education--the list goes on and on and on.

[reggie the dog]

25. i dont see someone who wants to get rid of helping the poor

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul80.html

he wants the feds to stop doing it and let the states do it individually because he thinks that will be more effective.

i agree that his general economic view is on the right but so are those of most Democrats.

i would be interested to hear what he thinks of vermont doing single payer health insurance, that would be a big test for me.

if the feds got rid of their social welfare programs but also lowered federal taxes states could spend money on programs that worked and were popular.

here he is on cenk this year, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m1J32wABiI&feature=player_embedded

i like bernie sanders a lot more, but so few congresscritters voted against the war on drugs, the patriot act, the wars in afghanistan and iraq and are anti corporate welfare that i put him ahead of moderate Democrats who are corporatists.

[bobbolink]

42. Thank you! The Ron Paul Fan Club rises up periodically, and they are only focused on their *own*

agendas. It matters not what his policies do to poor people.

Sadly, that is more and more the attitude of Dems in general... "Poor people? Fuck 'em."

[reggie the dog]

51. things like the tsa and the patriot act affect the liberty

of all of us rich or poor, standing against that is standing up for everyone. economically speaking i am much more supportive of bernie sanders. freedom and justice are important to me. i simply do not agree that ron paul is stupid because i disagree with his economic policy when i agree with his ideas of being free, ending the wars, ending the war on terror and war on drugs, disbanding the tsa and homeland security, and massively scaling back our military.

he is correct on many non economic issues and that puts him ahead of many others in congress who are nearly or as far to the right as him economically (corporatists)and dont give a damn about liberty. having said that if i dont vote democrat and ron paul was a libertarian i would much more likely vote for sanders or nader on the far left.

[Terra Alta]

19. he sure sounds stupid when he is against Medicare and Medicaid

and wanting to abolish the IRS, etc. Abortion is the only thing you dislike? So, does that mean you are against HCR too? Ron Paul sure is. Ron Paul is right on a few things, but on the things he's wrong about, he's as batshit crazy as Bachmann.

[Dappleganger]

15. Your mom is no fool.

Unfortunately the US is full of them.

[reggie the dog]

17. it is foolish to want to be free

and like a politician wh voted against going to war in iraq and afghanistan, who voted against the patriot acts who is anti tsa? who wants government to be stronger than corporations, who thinks corporate welfare would be better spent on social welfare for the people.

i know ron paul is horrible on abortion rights but where else is he so horrible

[Dappleganger]

20. Is this a joke?

Ron Paul wants to deregulate the entire federal government and allow complete freedom for big corporations to completely self-govern.

[reggie the dog]

31. i get the impression that he is anti big corporations

and pro individual state control from what i have read. he is anti corporate welfare, hardly anyone in dc is anti corporate welfare.

[immoderate]

37. Corporations own DC. You think they won't control state goverments?

Ron Paul is against all federal regulations, and any safety net. No EPA, FDA, SEC, NOAA, etc.

What has Ron Paul ever done to control the power of corporations?

--imm

[reggie the dog]

41. the only thing i have seen him do

is try to break up the military industrial complex, but if he wants to do that just to let other corporations control us then that is no good either

[Dappleganger]

39. No, he is very much pro big-business.

He as a libertarian believes that regulation chokes capitalism and that big business should self-regulate (IOW, get rid of the government except for national defense and making treaties).

[reggie the dog]

40. well if he wants self regulation

i have to disagree completely with him on that part. i am always confused as to if libertarians want state regulation instead of federal regulation or simply want no regulation at all.

[Terra Alta]

23. Medicare? Medicaid?

He wants to abolish both of them and is against HCR as well. Does this sound like a guy who should be our President?

[LynneSin]

24. To be honest, Ron Paul is the least skeevy of all the potential candidates...

but only because he's anti-war.

Still won't vote for him or any other republican.

[reggie the dog]

33. me neither

bernie sanders is a non democrat whom i would vote for. ron paul is nice because he is anti wars, anti patriot act, anti war on drugs and i like to hear those ideas discussed.

[Myrina]

36. your post makes it look like Ron Paul's mother watched NBC news ...

.... and said what was said etc etc ...

:shrug:

[mrmpa]

46. I understand. I need to bone up on my grammar & punctuation. Also..

not let my fingers get ahead of my brain.

[deacon]

47. Paul's vision is everyone driving horse and buggys on dirt roads. n/t