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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:43 PM
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Clueless, basement-dwelling, Cheetos-stained freeper douche issues STERN warning to President Obama.
Note To Obama (And Everyone Else): Conspiracy Theories Never Die or Fade Away
04/27/2011 | Kevin A Ward

I utterly detest,loathe,hate,despise and any other word you can think of to express how I feel about conspiracy theories. I take history too seriously and know it well enough to discard conspiracy.

I would be sympathetic to Obama regarding his birth certificate if it weren't obvious to me that he let it fly under the radar because he believed it labeled all of his critics as crazy and detached from reality. Sadly, due to the efforts of the "Publicity In Chief" Donald Trump, "birtherism" had entered the mainstream and was sucking up all the oxygen while important were tossed aside. Obama's declining poll numbers and Trump's rising numbers made it necessary to end the debate, at least in the world of the rational. Pure politics drove the release as the fringe found mainstream outlets.

Sadly, as the President acknowledged it will not satisfy everyone. Par for the course as history goes. We have a film of a President being assassinated yet many dispute the assassin as Lee Harvey Oswald. Many have latched onto James Earl Ray's assertion that he did not kill MLK. Sirhan Sirhan? It had to be someone else.

Conspiracy theories are not confined to assassins. You have those who insist that "Gnostics" were the real Christians overwhelmed by the "phony" Christianity of the last 1800 years. The Knights Templar? What didn't they have their hand in? From protecting the bloodline of Jesus to inventing America as the Freemasons.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:44 PM
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1. Does that dimwit realize it doesn't matter what country Obama was born in?
Edited on Wed Apr-27-11 04:45 PM by LynneSin
That constitutionally he can run for president because his mother is a US Citizen

ugh!

As for Christianity - when those bozo fundies stop following the word of Paul and actually read their damn gospel, then we can talk!
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:51 PM
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3. I thought their scripture ended at Leviticus. There is little indication they ever
get to Psalms or Proverbs, much less the New Testement.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 08:02 PM
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9. You have to read about Paul - he really was the first Xtian Fundamentalist
And when they quote New Testament Scripture alot of it comes from him. But Paul was never prophesized in the old testament so how can his word be "The Word of God". He was simply one of hundreds of people who spread their personal version of Christianity decades after Jesus died.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Paul+vs.+Jesus

There is alot of stuff out here you can read about Paul, but he really doesn't preach the words of Jesus. If anything Paul was more of the basis of the Crusades than Jesus' word. Paul felt we should do all in our power to convert the masses whereas Jesus just said 'Hey come with me if you want to follow me' - no coercion on his part when it came to his followers.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 08:40 PM
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12. I agree on Paul. I'm just of the opinion they haven't mad it that far.
Of course the Xtians are different than the Branch Leviticans.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:54 PM
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4. no, they have another theory for that
see, it says "natural born" citizen among the qualifications for president. To them that makes an additional bar to cross for the president--he must be born on US territory. Someone like McCain, for example, though he has US born parents, was not born in the US, he was born in Panama, therefore he isn't qualified. No, wait, McCain is qualified becasue he was born on a US military base. But Obama, born in the exotic protectorate of Honolulu, is not as qualified as McCain, becasue his skin is not as white. Did I say that out loud?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 08:04 PM
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10. Profoundly crazy isn't it
No matter what we give these people it would still never be enough.

I think obama was fed up and decided to get trump out of the news so Obama could focus on the real issues. But it will never be over. Now Trump questions how Obama got into all the fancy schools he attended.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 08:10 PM
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11. Its all about the color of his skin and the intellect of the man, both scare them
They can't be letting history show that a black man saved our bacon now can they. sorry bastids the whole bunch
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 08:44 PM
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13. Your statement about his mother being a US citizen is incorrect.
This is not about arguing whether or not Obama is a citizen, there is no doubt that he was born in Hawaii, but rather what the eligibility requirements are to become president.

If a person is born outside of the US, the father must be the parent of lineage to be considered a natural born citizen. It's an antiquated law left over from the 18th century that has never been changed.

Some have successfully argued that Title 8 Chapter 12 supercedes the above. The SC has never addressed whether or not Title 8 overrides the 18th century law.

No court case has ever addressed the true meaning of "natural born citizen" as it pertains to those that wish to run for president.

Most mainstream legal scholars argue that the only true meaning of "natural born citizen" are those that are born with US territories or to those that are born on foreign soil while one their parents are is in the service of the government.

The courts have granted citizenship to foreign national children whose parents were representatives of other governments but were residing in the US during the child's birth.

It's a perplexing question, but one that I highly doubt will ever be challenged or heard by the SC.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:49 PM
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2. Its Obama's fault all those people were crazy
:rofl:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:55 PM
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5. Clueless, basement-dwelling, Cheetos-stained tobacco and beer smelling freeper douche nozzles
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:57 PM
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6. So, people who can only afford a basement apartment are beneath contempt?
And we laugh at the RW for *their* prejudices.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 05:02 PM
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7. I believe that is a partial mention of computer geeks that live in their Mom's basement....
Edited on Wed Apr-27-11 05:03 PM by cliffordu
No matter though, your umbrage speaks for itself...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 08:53 AM
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14. Tunnel vision is SOOOO productive... especially when it villifies poorer people.
Its the kind of umbrage that is tearing this country assunder.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 05:22 PM
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8. We never meant to offend you my friend...........
:loveya:

I hope Dragonfli is well as is his beloved pup...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 08:57 AM
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15. Thank you! It is so easy to lose sight of people who are just tryiing to survive anyway they
can, and I intend to keep reminding others that we do exist, and that we do NOT need scorn.

It wasn't about me, although at one miserable time I had to live in one of those depressing basement apartments.... and there are many who do.

We're bigger than this.

Pretzel is doing much better, and I appreciate you asking! Its very tough times.... :(
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 10:02 AM
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17. We only need to see your name to be reminded.
Believe me.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 10:49 AM
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18. Thank you for the very kind personal attack. Ever soooo "progressive".
So, you don't need our votes... remember that come next year.

I refuse to continue with a personalization of the issues.

Attack to your heart's content.

Good bye.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:08 AM
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16. There would have been a time for such a word.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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athenasatanjesus Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 10:55 AM
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19. I hate when all conspiracy theories get lumped together like this.
Somewhere there are powerful people plotting to maintain their power and to gain more,and sometimes what they plan would seem far fetched to those observing from the outside.
Conspiracy theories that are crazy have to have a reason to be considered crazy outside of just being definable as a conspiracy.
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