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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:03 PM
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Blacks don't work as hard as whites - Oklahoma GOP Rep
Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said minorities earn less than white people because they don’t work as hard and have less initiative.

“We have a high percentage of blacks in prison, and that’s tragic, but are they in prison just because they are black or because they don’t want to study as hard in school? I’ve taught school, and I saw a lot of people of color who didn’t study hard because they said the government would take care of them.”

Kern said women earn less than men because “they tend to spend more time at home with their families.”

In addition to being a blatant racist, Sally Kern is also a creationist.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38463_Oklahoma_GOP_Rep._Sally_Kern-_Blacks_Dont_Work_As_Hard_As_White_People
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:03 PM
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1. racist.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:05 PM
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2. If only all republicans told such truths about what they really believe
The right wing would die a painful death.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:11 PM
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3. They know no shame
Okla has Lots of Blacks, Women (highest % of the States I believe) and Poor in prison........
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:13 PM
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4. I had to google this to be sure. One thing about Republicans, when you
take a closer look while trying to give them the benefit of the doubt...they almost always end up being worse
than you imagined.

Oklahoma GOP Lawmaker: 'Blacks' Don’t Work As Hard As White People
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/574238/oklahoma_gop_lawmaker:_%27blacks%27_don%25u2019t_work_as_hard_as_white_people/
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:44 PM
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5. A woman said women don't earn as much because they spend more time
with their families? Are you kidding me?

Racist, sexist, idiot....

:banghead:

:puke:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:21 PM
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11. Lots of people have said it.
After taking into account job/career choice, seniority and overtime are probably the next two largest factors contributing to lower overall income.

Men take off little or no time when their partners give birth; women take off months and many take off a year or more. Beth and Bart start work on the same day, Beth has two kids in the next ten years; Beth has 9 years seniority and Bart has 10.

Men work more overtime; but if you're a woman with children you tend to not work nearly as much overtime. In his 10 years, Bart's put in a lot of overtime, taken some business trips, and has taken sick days only when *he* was sick. This signals high commitment. Beth has put in much less overtime, has taken off sick days for her kids, and hasn't wanted to be away from her small children overnight. This signals high commitment.

Who do you promote? The employee with 10 years' seniority and a high level of commitment or the one with 9 years and a lower level of commitment?

Once you've taken into account things that affect both men and women all that's left for externally applied to account for is a few percentage points.

I've known women who had essentially the same career and earnings path as men. A few weeks after birth they were back at work. They'd hire nannies, babysitters. Some felt guilty. Some didn't. Those I knew best had nannies, and changed nannies every year or two because their kids would be far too attached to their nannies, more attached to their nannies than they were to their mothers.

If you find women who put in the same overtime, make the same career choices, etc., etc., their income and professional advancement track pretty well. To within a few percentage points. It's the same with educational achievement: After you take into account family structure, parental occupation/income, income, and a few other factors the variance left for race to account for drops to a few % points. For that kind of study you find mostly-white communities with the same distribution of income, family structure, etc. And you get strikingly similar pass and drop-out rates, college attendance rates, etc.

In both cases you can argue that discrimination is internalized, or it occurs at an age earlier than that under study, or is consolidated into cultural views that are difficult to study. For example, why do women choose physics as a major less than social welfare? Gotta be discrimination, right? On the other hand, you hear ardent feminists arguing that women would make better leaders, that it's important for women to be properly represented, that women do X better or are more proficient at Y--and they point to things that make women better at social welfare than physics. I personally think that they're wrong, but it undercuts the demands for some kind of quota-based representation. Then again, I was raised in what amounts to a sexless, genderless household.

On the other hand there was this interesting study maybe 5 years ago--interesting because it disconfirmed my assumptions--that looked at recent hires in English humanities and social science departments and their stay-at-home habits after their kids were born. That group was chosen because they tend to be young, liberal, and highly educated--and the least likely section of society to harbor antiquted notions of gender roles. The university policies were genderless: Men could take off as much time with pay, get the same tenure extensions, etc., as women. The study surveyed both time off, how the time was spent, enjoyment/satisfaction from various activities, and the professors' attitudes. It found that men took off much less time than women; it found that most of the men that took off 6 months paternity leave used the time for research and writing, and more than a couple produced a book during that time while very few women used the time in that manner. In other words, for men it was an additional semester sabbatical. It even found that women self-reported higher levels of satisfaction and enjoyment changing diapers. And, of course, after they returned to work they reported what you'd expect. The women put in less time doing professorial work, attended fewer conferences, etc., while the men put in just about as much time as ever. Overall, women were dinged in their job advancement--but the men weren't, even if they took paternity leave: Instead of X years before getting tenure women had X + 1 years; but the time that male faculty took off actually tended to advance their tenure timeline because they cranked out publications.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:34 AM
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12. If you look at the entire body of research on pay, rather than anecdotes or one study you liked,
you will see that the vast majority of studies show that, after every possibly legitimate factor is controlled (and many of these can be questioned as reflecting discriminatory bias to some extent), there are still significant pay differentials favoring males.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:02 PM
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6. This lady is a real fascist.
She succeeded in being just what she wanted to be. She would be a good national representative of that party. She is a real "white-nationalist Christian patriot."
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:06 PM
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7. Probably not bright enough to be a Fascist.



That would require a bit of mental acuity to stay ideologically focused.
More than most rethuglicans are capable of.


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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:09 PM
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8. funny how bigots feel at home in the GOP... not a coincidence
fucked up ideology is always going to be attracted to their ignorant sociopathic assholes.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:12 PM
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9. Is this the same Sally Kern who said that gays are worse than terrorists?
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:32 PM
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15. The Young Turks address it (video)
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:13 PM
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10. Let's see. . . .Is she a birther too? n/t
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 02:36 AM
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13. is she also the one
who was taped going on and on about the "homosexual agenda"?
good gawd.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:08 AM
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14. blacks dont work as hard as whites. women dont work as hard as men. all about the white man... nt
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