I was stricken with sadness this morning...

[CTyankee]

watching the festivities I became sad thinking of Diana and how much I wished she could be there for her son's wedding. I was never a big Diana fan, but on a personal level, the tragedy of her early death was just striking to me, as was my recoil from the shots Charles and Camilla, who caused her so much pain...

[CBGLuthier]

1. Oh give me a break. She was a spoiled brat.

[hlthe2b]

2. ahh, always a hard core cynic to bring things back to unpleasantness

:shrug:

[Donnachaidh]

5. Nice. Who peed in your wheaties?

and we wonder why people think Americans are rude. :eyes:

[whathehell]

7. You can find that kind of nastiness anywhere...

The Brits, in fact, are masters of it.

Diana, BTW, was not a "spoiled brat"...She was a lovely and misused young woman.

[Raine]

8. Give the rest of us a break and don't crap all over

another poster. x(

edit: typo

[Odin2005]

11. -1,000,000,000

[CTyankee]

14. In many ways, I'm sure she was. She was also very young and inexperienced when

she married Charles.

At any rate, I was just feeling something, as a parent of grown, married children, that linked me humanly to Diana...

[KittyWampus]

17. Spoiled brats don't spend their time advocating for AID victims when the rest of the world

ignored them as just losers suffering from a "gay disease".

Nor do they tirelessly advocate for the end of land mines.

[Stevenmarc]

19. Which you quite successfully surpassed

Just for her work for AIDS puts her in much higher standing than you can ever hope to achieve with all your insignificant poutrage.

[pipi_k]

22. Well that settles it, then...

"Spoiled brats" deserve to die early and never see their children grow up nor their children to share their happy days with them.

Oooookay!


:eyes:

[sharp_stick]

47. Always a quick classy reply

from some asshole in this place.

[Snoutport]

48. You know personally or just sharing gossip?

[closeupready]

53. Who did far more humanitarian work than all the other royals combined.

nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. How many Mine Fields have YOU wandered through? When was the last time you

visited AIDS patients in the hospital and held their hand? Please. She may not have been perfect, but she was a humanitarian and deserves to NOT BE called a spoiled brat.

[Lucian]

56. Wow you really have no idea what she was like.

She was NOT a spoiled brat.

[NWHarkness]

3. Charles and Camilla were in love before Charles even met Diana

He was forced into the wedding with Diana, even though he loved someone else. That doesn't make him blameless, but I think some compassion is in order.

[CTyankee]

12. Not sure, but didn't they start their affair after Camilla was already married?

Diana just struck me as a naive kid, who thought that marriage meant something and found out that it meant pain for her...and Charles and Camilla sure didn't soften the blows...

[raccoon]

31. I don't think she was that naive. Her older sister Sarah had dated Charles before,

and they both ran in the same circles as the royals.

Seems to me she should have known what she was getting into.

Plus, we don't really know what went on. The general public was led to believe for years that JFK and Jackie had a wonderful marriage, and during Charles and Diana's engagement and early years of their marriage, we were led to believe they were both madly in love with each other.

[CTyankee]

38. She was only 19 when she married wasn't she? And pretty much sheltered.

When I was 19, I was pretty naive...

[FourScore]

51. No. They were deeply in love and Charles wanted to marry Camilla.

His mother didn't approve of the marriage on the grounds that she was not a virgin.

[October]

18. Forced? He was nearly 40...

And despite his inability to do as he supposedly wanted -- his actions harmed Diana, who was naive and in love with him. Very exploitative and unfair imho.

[SoCalDem]

26. Yep..he wanted to marry her when they were both 20-somethings, but

QE said no way, and sent him off to his military service.. Camilla decided not to wait for him forever (I don't think QE liked her at all).. she married & he did not... for a long time... until QE forced the issue & found him a suitable "girl" who would propagate with him..

Neither loved the other.. she probably thought they would fall in love after marriage, but it never happened..

[CTyankee]

36. I have no love for what QE did but I do think Diana was treated like crap.

there is no excuse for it.

[SoCalDem]

42. I agree, they treated her poorly.

She was too young & star-struck to realize what her role was.. she was to produce children & stay out of the way.. Unfortunately (for everyone), she grew up & said.."No More!"..


Charles probably thought she would just look the other way while he cheated on her..

She had just enough time with her boys to nurture them & teach them how to be good people.. By the time Charles got them to himself, their personalities were set:)

I always loved the pics of her scooping them up when she returned from a trip without the (she did not want to leave them)..and contrast it with how QE greeted Charles when he was little... she shook his hand..

[FourScore]

52. They should have told her from the get-go that she was a publicity prop

and needed strictly for providing the throne with an heir.

[Donnachaidh]

4. Was her brother there?

I don't recall seeing him at the wedding.

[Raine]

6. Yes he was, Peirs Morgan on CNN commented on him

and mention how he took on the Queen at Diana's funeral.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

46. Earl Spencer there with his fiancée Karen Gordon (looking like a pink peacock)

I can't find a photo

[blogslut]

9. That's why this photo got to me

Literally bittersweet.

[CTyankee]

25. Harry looks so much like Diana...

I must say, they both looked dashing today...

[blogslut]

39. Yes, they did look dashing

Thirty years ago I remember being astounded that I was a whole year older than the future Queen of England...

So much promise in a wedding and then life happens. Time moves on and there's another wedding with another chance for promise.

[Keith Bee]

10. Meh

:nopity:

[blogslut]

15. The hater's thread is over there

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=985422&mesg_id=985422

[Name removed]

16. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Raine]

13. I think it must have been very bittersweet for William. nt

[hlthe2b]

21. I think the memories of Diana were present throughout this event....

Whatever realm remains after death, it did feel as though a sense of Diana was present.

[Hepburn]

30. Yes, I felt her there, too...

...I watched her wedding and I could not pass watching her son William's wedding. I loved Diana...and my heart as a mother broke today that he did not have his Mum there. So I decided that I would sit and watch it all since I am the mother of a son. Somehow, that felt like the right thing to do.

[CTyankee]

34. Thank you! I'm glad someone else felt the way I did, even tho my feelings were

fleeting. I was lukewarm about the wedding myself but I did appreciate the music and the "show."

I never "loved" Diana but I did feel sorry for her and appreciate her for her good works. I don't know how anyone could NOT feel badly for someone who was as tormented by circumstance as Diana was. Charles did not have to treat her the way he did, but he had no honor and neither did Camilla...

[sabrina 1]

63. I had a similar feeling. It seemed so unfair to see

the 'other woman' there taking her place, the woman who caused her so much grief, along with Charles of course.

It was sad, as you said, on a human level. Diana's life was tragic but she did a lot of good. She also changede the monarchy, dragging them into the present against their will. Had she simply accepted the treatment she was subjected, William would not have been able to marry the woman he loves today. Diana changed everything about the royal family, and in a way, maybe her life, sad as it was, and death, made her son's future happiness possible?

I don't know why compassion for others, no matter who they are, should bother anyone. It's a sad world sometimes.

[KittyWampus]

41. Hepburn, that is such a sweet post. I didn't watch and am glad you did

Love is a beautiful thing to witness. Pageantry or not.

[Hepburn]

43. Totally agree...

...I watched and shed tears cuz I am a mother. I wish she could have been there to see her son Wills in love and marrying someone who loves him.

[October]

20. Yes... I felt the same.

Those two boys look and seem so like HER.

There haven't been many 'shots' of Charles...I noticed.

[CTyankee]

27. Sorry to say this but it's probably because they are both so butt fugly!

Honestly, they both seem to get uglier as time passes...

[Donnachaidh]

45. they are beginning to really look like their spitting image puppets, aren't they?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

58. tacky tacky tacky!! But hilarious!

[ChiciB1]

23. Thought Diana Did Her Best For What It's Worth, But I'm REALLY, REALLY

SICK of the nonstop coverage on every single channel today! I HAD thought it would have come to a stop by this AM, but even my local channels aren't covering local news. Checked my weather here on the net!

Will it EVER stop??

[blogslut]

35. Most browsers have weather plugins/addons

I use ForecastFox for my Firefox browsers. It puts the current temperature, weekly forecasts and any alerts right in my menu bar.

[ChiciB1]

54. Just Checking Back In... Thanks For Your Browser Comments... I Have Verizon

and I have a weather set up on my page. I was just kind of shocked that the local channels simply "dropped" all regular programs and was covering everything from England & the wedding!

Hey, I'm just not one to get all Ga Ga about this stuff and ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I'm just not interested in any of it. I DO understand that it's a BIG DEAL for some people and that's OK, but I could care less! THEY GOT MARRIED... OKAY... IT'S OVER!

Just glad I have a Dish and didn't have to watch any of it!

[Capitalocracy]

62. Today is a good day to turn off the TV. nt

[lynne]

24. Totally agree with you. I'm no fan of royals but I did admire her -

- and I wish them all the love and success in marriage that she so wanted but never had.

Don't understand all the wedding haters. Guess they're just unhappy and hate to see anyone who isn't!

[CTyankee]

28. Well, I'm sure the wretched excess just go to them.

I just view it kinda like it's a movie. Even the music sounded like a movie score...

[AngryAmish]

29. ...and then she decided to start fucking the help.

[Hepburn]

32. At least she did not go out a screw an animal...

[AngryAmish]

33. true that

[CTyankee]

37. How do you cross and horse and a rottweiler?

[Hepburn]

40. Ask Camilla's parents???

:evilgrin:

[LeftishBrit]

44. I think it's the whole system that caused her so much pain...

Charles was never really in love with her; it was always Camilla. He should have married Camilla in the first place.

Diana was used to be a 'suitable' queen and to provide heirs. She was undoubtedly in love with Charles but not the other way round.

I'm not a monarchist, but Diana was a good person in many ways. No intellectual, but she worked hard for good causes, especially the anti-landmine cause, and helping people with AIDS. And at a time when many people were scared to be in the same room as someone with AIDS, her lack of fear of the supposed 'contagion' was a good role model.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

49. +1

As someone in San Francisco who was watching people here drop like flies, to see Diana talking with and touching AIDS patients was so important that it cannot be overstated. For that she will always be a hero of mine.

Yes, if Charles had been a stronger man he should have insisted on marrying Camilla when he had the chance. Diana was an "appropriate" broodmare who the royals thought should have understood the arrangement for what it was, and stoically accepted Charles filandering with Camilla.

Tragic all around, really, but I do feel a rise of anger when I see Charles and Camilla together. :(

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

50. I thought of her too, alot. Seeing the brothers so close brought tears to my eyes. I think

some of that apparent strong bond is from losing their mom.

[in_cog_ni_to]

57. I know. I thought of her too and cried just thinking about what she's missing.

It's heartbreaking. Then we have Camilla. :puke: That woman makes me angry. So does her husband.

[Libby2]

59. Yes, me too.

[NotThisTime]

60. I was a fan of her's, I think they used her, abused her and in the end it cost her her life.

Watching the festivities (later in the day) and the carriage ride, all I could think was that the last time we'd seen anything like it was during her funeral. I hope Kate does not suffer the same way Diana did.

[JoePhilly]

61. The folks attacking your OP must not know how it feels ...

My father died before either I, or my younger sister, married our spouses.

As a result, our father does not appear in our formal wedding photos. He was dead.

He did not get to walk my sister down the aisle. He was dead, so I walked her down the aisle.

He was not able to attend my wedding either.

Our father never got to meet his grand kids. And those kids ask questions about him.

My sister has one photo from her wedding day in which our father does appear.

It is a photo taken while she was getting ready on her wedding day. She is standing at a dresser, using the mirror to put on earrings. And on the dresser, is a photo of our father as a young man. My sister is smiling into the mirror as she puts on the earrings, and in the photo, our father is also smiling.

I'm no fan of "the royals", I avoided most of the wedding coverage today, and I have had fun today making certain jokes about it on DU .... but it is sad some don't get your point.

[Kurovski]

64. I agree with everything on a personal, human level.

Previously recommended.

Some people take the fortune and opportunities given to them and shut the world out, others open to the world and share it. Dianna was the latter.

Did I get that right? "latter" means the second idea in a sentence, correct?

And for my real purpose in posting...Where, my dear, have your art threads gone to? Am I just a hopeless dingbat, or have you hidden them somewhere? :hi: :hug: