Will Kate Middleton actually receive the title "queen?"

[Renew Deal]

I've seen several references online to the future "queen." William is the future king. Does the bride of the king become "queen?" If that's the case, why isn't "Prince Phillip" called "King Phillip?" I'm not sure if the use of "future queen" is correct or just lazy journalism.

[MineralMan]

1. I have no idea.

I'm not sure it matters that much to very many people.

[salvorhardin]

2. Prince Philip's full title is "King Consort"

He's married to the Queen, but not in line to the throne. Presumably, Catherine would be Queen Consort if William succeeds to the throne.

[hlthe2b]

43. NO... Queen Elisabeth has never conferred the title "King Consort" to Philip

Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom (acceded 1952) did not create her husband Philip, Duke of Edinburgh a Prince of the United Kingdom until 1957, five years after her accession. He has never been formally designated Prince Consort or King Consort.

[RandomThoughts]

3. What will the media tell you the title would be.

[Cronus Protagonist]

4. No, she will always be a princess

That's just how it's done. As with Prince Philip.

[Renew Deal]

6. That's what I figured

Even CNN had this "queen" stuff going on.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

16. Nope, she will be queen, just as Queen Mother Elizabeth

(the current queen's mother) was queen when her husband became King George VI.

[Cronus Protagonist]

31. Naw, Charles will be King

William has a slim chance ... very slim. Charles has been groomed to be King his whole life.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

38. Unless Charles does an Edward VII and survives for only seven years

after his mother.

[Gman]

40. I thought Charles said he didn't want to be king anymore

[lolly]

65. Well, yes

But we're assuming that William will outlive his father Charles. At which point, he will be king and Catherine will be his queen (as others have noted, the queen consort)

[Misskittycat]

41. Correct. The king's wife becomes queen, but a queen's husband remains prince consort.

Of course, with the two most recent example - Queen Elizabeth II and Queen Victoria - each husband was already a prince (of Greece and Germany, respectively).

Queen Elizabeth I never married, so it wasn't an issue with her.

[aquart]

9. Wrong.

Totally.

[cali]

24. uh, no. that is not how it's done

She will become Queen Catherine, just as the current Queen's mother became Queen Elizabeth when she married.

[1monster]

37. The Queen Mom, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, married Prince Albert in 1923.

She was the first commoner legally allowed to marry into the Royal Family. Her daughters were Elizabeth (born in 1926) and Margaret (born in 1930).

Prince Albert's brother, Edward VIII, was king until 1936 when he decided to abdicate in order to marry twice-divorced American of uncertain reputation rather than remain King.

At that point, Prince Albert became George VI, King and his wife Elizabeth became Queen Consort.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

70. She's not a Princess....

She's the Duchess of Cambridge? :shrug:
I don't get this shit either. Is Wills no longer a Prince, but instead demoted to a Duke?

[david13]

71. No she will never be a princess. The definition of a princess is

one who is born a princess. She wasn't.
She can be Queen, or Queen Consort, if they confer the title. But not unless.
Actually they were conferred today Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
He is still prince, as that is how he was born.
dc

[salvorhardin]

5. self-delete duplicate

[aquart]

7. Yes. She will be queen. Courtesy title.

As in, wife of the king. But it isn't a co-rule like William and Mary.

[demtenjeep]

8. she will be queen

just as Diana would have been



My guess is that the Queen passes over Chuck since he married that "dog" (In Diana's words)

and that William will be King and Catherine wll be Queen

[kestrel91316]

17. The Queen can't "pass over" Charles. The line of succession is pretty much

carved in stone and based in English law. Camilla can't be Queen OR Queen Consort, IIRC, because she and Charles only had a civil marriage, not in the church.

[Renew Deal]

21. I think the parliment can do it.

It's been done before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne

[kestrel91316]

46. I can't imagine them doing it. Divorce is hardly the huge taboo it used to be.

[david13]

73. Parliament can do the pass over. And they may do it if Charles is

too old, or indicates that he is too old to serve. He is what, 65? No young buck.
dc

[NV Whino]

50. Elizabeth can abdicate in favor of William

But it must be approved by parliament.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

59. They are both divorced.

I thought that Charles and Camilla cannot be king and queen according to the Archbishop of Canterbury because they are divorced. So maybe he can be King but not head of the Church of England and the Church of Scotland?

:shrug:

[Renew Deal]

19. Someone I know said that yesterday

That they will pass over Charles. That would be wild.

[alphafemale]

44. I also think Charles can refuse it.

Which I think he might. Camilla was always the love of his life. So she was a commoner and was never as pretty and didn't have the pedigree of Diana.

He was pressured to marry a "suitable" "beautiful" princess.

It was obvious in that ceremony (Charles Diana) that these were two people not really even comfortable around each other...let alone in love.

I didn't watch the Will/Kate wedding but I did see some stills. I love those playful devilish looks they are flashing at each other. Those are obviously soul mates. At least for now.

[Withywindle]

80. I thought that too.

I watched the Chuck/Di ceremony--but I was 10 years old at the time. Even so, I knew that the fact that Charles had to marry a woman of the nobility and so came up with this teenager who thought poofy sleeves were pretty, and I thought that was....weird.

I think it's very significant that William married a woman of his own choice and one who also chose him; in the same age range, just as well-educated, they've been together for years...A much better chance at a happy marriage than a union based on pedigree papers more suited to pureblood dogs and cats than to human beings.

I wish Will and Kate all the best.

[Dennis Donovan]

10. She will be Queen Catherine, Queen Consort, just like Elizabeth Bowles-Lyon...

...aka Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum.

[Renew Deal]

23. So I guess they were right.

:shrug:

[ellenfl]

11. i heard that wives become 'queens' but husbands are 'consorts'

i believe that's customary in england. albert was not 'king'. perhaps it comes from not wanting foreign men to rule england, as the custom used to be to marry other european royals. historical lesson learned, i think.

ellen fl

[GomezLives]

14. That is so sexist.

[Renew Deal]

26. It goes beyond sexism.

"The succession is ordered by male-preference (cognatic) primogeniture: a person is immediately followed in the succession by his or her own legitimate descendants (his or her line), and a person's sons (and their lines) all have higher precedence to a person's daughters (and their lines). Elder sons come before younger sons; then separately elder daughters come before younger daughters."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne

This basically means that if Prince William ever has kids, Prince Harry will likely never be king.

[TheBigotBasher]

39. It also means that if Charles dies before his mother,

which is very possible given how short the lives of the men in the family are and how long the lives of the women are in comparison, William never gets to be King.

[Renew Deal]

42. That's incorrect.

The eldest son of the eldest son goes before the younger son of the mother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne

[TheBigotBasher]

55. Sorry you are wrong

that chart follows the expected line of succession. If Charles dies before the Queen, the next in line will be her next oldest SON, not her grandson as the grandson would succeed the father. If it was the grandson there would be no direct link to the monarch.

[Generic Other]

58. Primogeniture says eldest sons follow in a direct line

Look at the Japanese emperor. His eldest son has a daughter. They do not allow girls to inherit. So the heir's daughter will be skipped in the line of succession, not by the brother of the heir but by his son, her cousin. This would not happen if she were a male like William. One must read one's Burke's peerage to understand the subtle rules.

Now if they waged a civil war and fought over the succession, all bets would be off. :)

[lolly]

66. Nope.

The minute William was born, he became the second in line to the throne and Harry was bumped to third.

Which is probably the way he'd want it--he doesn't seem to want the whole king thing.

[dmr]

81. No, you're wrong. Here's a link to royal succession:

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/royal/succession.htm

[dflprincess]

79. George VI was only in his 50s when he died but Prince Phillip is 90

so Charles may have inherited longevity from both his parents.

[david13]

74. Th whole thing is sexist. And a lot more. So throw that objection

out right away.
Consort is a word for anyone, married to anyone else. We consort with our wives. Or the wives consort with the husband.
It is a word of common meaning.
But it can be conferred as a title, also. King Consort, or Queen Consort. Or not conferred.
dc

[NYC Liberal]

18. Actually, the reason for that is that the title of "King"

is higher than that of "Queen".

[Kingofalldems]

12. If she becomes a Democrat I would consider it

[dynasaw]

48. The Royals would actually Be Considered "liberal"

if they were in the U.S. The queen could never stand Maggie Thatcher
and the inclinations of the family align with what most progressives adhere to: Charles supports inner city low income kids' programs,
they are all eco/green conscious, non meat eating, conservationists (architecture, environment, land use). The Ashton Martin getaway car was converted to ethanol etc.

[david13]

75. There are no democrats in England. Unless they're Yanks on

holiday.
dc

[ikri]

13. I don't think so

I think that only someone born into the royal family can be named King or Queen. She may be upgraded to Princess of Wales assuming Charles becomes king & bestows his current title on William but she would only ever be a Duchess or a Princess.

There is a tiny possibly that she could become Queen Regent (or something similar) which could potentially happen if William died whilst King and their children weren't of sufficient age to become monarch.

[jaysunb]

20. wrong...see post # 16 for correct info.

:)

[GomezLives]

15. It would be a drag if she didn't

[NYC Liberal]

22. Yes. She'll be the Queen consort and not Queen regnant,

and her title will be "Her Majesty The Queen."

[secondwind]

25. What I've heard is that her title will be "Princess Consort".

[secondwind]

27. I just looked it up. The Dutchess (Kate) prefers Princess Consort.

[moriah]

28. Queen Consort, not Queen Regnant.

That had a lot more meaning back when the monarchy was more than just a PR tool for the government, of course.

Elizabeth is Queen Regnant, her husband was King Consort but since she's currently unmarried the title is empty. When she dies, Charles will be King Regnant and whoever the heck he is married to at the time will be Queen Consort. Should William outlive his father, he'd be King Regnant and Kate would be Queen Consort. Only if William didn't outlive Charles but Phillip did, or if William died without children and Phillip was still living then, would Phillip ever be King... so that's why he's not referred to as the "future king". He'd succeed even if Kate was still living should William die as King since Kate wasn't born into the royal family.

Not quite sure on the rules of if there'd been a girl born between William and Phillip....

[WolverineDG]

33. Queen Elizabeth is not married

:wtf: Then who is this Prince Phillip dude that follows her around, barking at the commoners all the time?

Phillip is *not* in the line of succession. If Charles dies before his mother, the Queen, William would become King.

on edit: do you mean William's younger brother, Harry? Phillip is their grandfather..... However if you are talking about Harry, then if they had a sister who was born between William & Harry, she wouldn't become Queen unless both William AND Harry died AND if they never had kids. The law of primogeniture sucks, but I did hear that William wants to do away with it, so that the eldest child inherits, regardless of whether that child is male or female.

dg

[moriah]

49. Never saw him barking orders so I presumed he didn't exist. Hah!

Shows how much I actually know about modern British royalty, or care.

Wikipedia has some better info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_consorts

"All female consorts have had the right to and have held the title of queen consort. However, of the two British male consorts to have existed since 1707, neither has taken the title 'King Consort':

.... Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark, husband of Elizabeth II, already raised to the peerage as Duke of Edinburgh in 1947, was made a Prince of the United Kingdom in 1957. He does not have the title of Prince Consort."

[PCIntern]

61. LOL!!! Post of the year!!

I was thinking Eggzactly the same thing as I read that post...

:toast:

[hlthe2b]

29. She'll be Queen Consort but never Queen Regnant (never reign)

Once William ascends to the Throne, Kate will automatically become his Queen. However, she will be Queen Consort(that's someone who becomes Queen by virtue of marriage, not birthright) and as such is NOT in the line of the succession. Other examples of Queen Consorts: Queen Sofia of Spain, Queen Rania of Jordan, Queen Noor of Jordan, Queen Silvia of Sweden, etc.

Kate can NEVER become Queen Regnant though. Queen Regnant is someone who ascends to the Throne by virtue of birthright (she was next in the Line to the Throne): Queen Elizabeth II, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, Queen Margrethe of Denmark, etc. are all Queens Regnant.

[LiberalFighter]

30. The monarchy will be abolished to save money.

[immoderate]

57. Sure. Kill their biggest tourist attraction.

--imm

[secondwind]

32. Sorry, guys, I made a mistake. Kate will be known as Queen Consort, or Queen

Catherine. Sorry about that!

[Botany]

34. Too early to tell a lot depends on how she does in ....

.... Iowa & New Hampshire.

[WolverineDG]

35. and in the swimsuit competition nt/

[Iggo]

47. and in the compulsories. (n/t)

[Cleita]

cyber burp.

[Cleita]

36. Prince Philip is not king because he married the Queen.

He is not a direct descendant. The only reason Elizabeth R is sovereign is because she had no brothers. Kate will be queen when William becomes king, if they are still married, but daddy Charles will be king first. I don't know where this leaves Camilla. It seems the family do not want her to be queen if Charles becomes king. It appears to be far away anyway. Queen Lizzy will still be around for a long time.

[catchnrelease]

51. Camilla will legally be queen consort

But will use the title Princess Consort, unless Charles, as king, issues a statement saying she can use the title Queen Consort. Also, Parliament has the power to issue a ruling to prevent her using the Queen title. Something was said about a deal that was made before the marriage of Charles and Camilla, that she would use the title Duchess of Cornwall instead of Princess of Wales, and use the Princess Consort title if/when Charles becomes king. (Heard this on SoCal public radio yesterday, couldn't find a link back to it.)

[Misskittycat]

63. It's on the Royal Family's website; "it is intended" that

the Duchess of Cornwall will be referred to as "HRH The Princess Consort" when Charles ascends the throne.

Don't ask me why I went to that website....

[Iggo]

45. People will look at her and say 'There goes the Queen of England!'

So, Yes.

[cherish44]

52. There's consorts and reagants

The Consorts are the queens by marriage, the Reagants are the ones that are queens by blood. Elizabeth is the Queen by blood so she's the queen reagant. Kate will be queen because of marriage so she'll be a consort. Her title will be queen consort. (Learned this because my daughter was studying the Tudor dynasty recently!)

[itsrobert]

53. Not if she dies or her husband dies before taking the throne

Or if William dies, she could marry Harry and still be Queen. But if she has a child before William dies then the child is next in line. Or course she could also be pregnant while William dies and if Queen Elizabeth and Charles die during her pregnancy of her first child, Harry becomes King?

[defendandprotect]

54. Noted they didn't make here "Princess" but rather "Duchess" --

but they did change the succession rules to allow for a FEMALE as first born

to inherit the crown --

[cherish44]

56. She's technically "the Princess William"

She got a gazillion titles when she married William, she's a duchess and countess and baroness and other stuff too. Duchess of Cambridge is going to be the one she uses for now.

[Misskittycat]

64. Same was true for Diana; she technically became Princess Charles, but

absolutely nobody called her that - it was immediately, and thereafter, Princess Diana.

[defendandprotect]

68. Wills and Kate asked to be Prince/Princess ... so they were denied ...

at least that's what I heard on the old reliable idiot box the other day!!!


:)


Didn't they make Diana "Princess" after she had William?

Not sure about that, either!!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

62. Yes they changed the succession rules.

I read that of Victoria's children, that Vicky, the first born, was incredibly bright. However, the second born, who became King Edward VII, was not terribly bright. Sad that male primogeniture ruled then.

I think that Elizabeth is probably a lot smarter than the males that preceded her, like her father and Edward VIII, who abdicated and became a partying wastrel.

And it looks like Charles will never get to be king, since his mom will live forever. He's got another fifteen years to wait since she is 85 and Queen Mum died at 101. Maybe they are vampire?? :rofl:

Charles would be 78 when he inherits the throne if Mom gets to 100.


This woman says she should be Queen Elizabeth by Birthright, not QE II. Get your mind blown, read this:

http://we3.org

[defendandprotect]

67. Oops!! No. ... think they made a deal with Charles, didn't they ....

He got Camilla, but can't take the throne because he's married someone

who is divorced. Think they took him out of the line up -- except, of course,

for an emergency like Eliz and Wills going down together somehow???

I'm not positive about this -- but generally what I think happened?????

Your link isn't available at the moment -- will try to get back to it!!

[Puregonzo1188]

60. I was under the impression that a woman who marries the King is Queen, but a man who marries the

Queen is only Prince.

I don't know why I got that from or why that would make any sense at all, but passed on the Comments about Queen Mother and Prince Phillips that seems to be true.

[RagAss]

69. No...she will become a Rook !

[david13]

76. Good one. But consider where chess comes from. She actually

has become a Duchess.
dc

[JVS]

72. She'll probably be divorced by the time such a situation would arise.

[david13]

77. Unfortunately yes, if he's anything like his father. I sure hope not.

His father was a total fool in that regard.
dc

[Canuckistanian]

78. Queen Consort, I believe

Britain doesn't have a "co-rule" system. That is, there can't be more than one monarch at a time.

William will rule as sovereign.