Bachmann uses Holocaust to illustrate tax point

[Kadie]

Bachmann uses Holocaust to illustrate tax point
By HOLLY RAMER, Associated Press
Saturday, April 30, 2011


(04-30) 09:55 PDT Manchester, N.H. (AP) --

Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann on Saturday described the loss of "economic liberty" that young Americans face today as a "flash point of history" in which the younger generation will ask what their elders did to stop it.

In a speech to New Hampshire Republicans, Bachmann recounted learning about a horrific time in history as a child — the Holocaust — and wondering if her mother did anything to stop it. She said she was shocked to hear that many Americans weren't aware that millions of Jews had died until after World War II ended.

Bachmann said the next generation will ask similar questions about what their elders did to prevent them from facing a huge tax burden.

"I tell you this story because I think in our day and time, there is no analogy to that horrific action," she said, referring to the Holocaust. "But only to say, we are seeing eclipsed in front of our eyes a similar death and a similar taking away. It is this disenfranchisement that I think we have to answer to."


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[gratuitous]

1. You should know what we did, Michele

We were running surpluses when George W. Bush usurped the White House, and then emptied the Treasury into his wealthy pals' pockets. Then, because that wasn't draining the national coffers fast enough, he launched two invasions halfway around the world against people who had never attacked us and were no threat to us. Don't you remember voting for all that?

[AC_Mem]

3. Well Said

Bachman is taking lessons from Sarah Falin's word salad training course.

Just makes no sense but keeps on talkin....

[buddysmellgood]

2. BAT SHIT CRAZY

[Enrique]

4. actually taxes are pretty low right now

maybe the next generation will point that out to her.

[LiberalFighter]

5. But will she hear and listen to those points?

[RandomThoughts]

6. They would have to make the argument that the tax money is spent wrong.

They feel the spending that is wrong is medicare, education, and many other programs.


The taxation itself can only be argued if you attach an argument of how that money is spend.

If you also remove governmental corruption, military spending, and payouts to the rich, then you can tax all you want.

If you remove programs that help society you can't argue against taxation of any amount.

Think of how the money is spent, not who spends it. In each case one side wants it spent on a few, the other to help many people.

My argument on taxation. It is wrong, and people with money should give the money they have away to people that need it to avoid taxation. Taxation only exist because consolidations, a worse wrong, that exists. If all the rich gave away there ill gotten gains, we would not need that taxation discussion, and if they did not give it to other rich people. If they donated there money to help break up consolidations, and correct the flaws in Capitalism, they would not be taxed.


There claim is based on who should choose how it is spent, not about where or what it is spent on, if they do not spend it correctly it should be removed from them, besides they never earned the money.





There is a contradiction, I posted what would God need with a star ship (From Star Trek 5). Or the concept why would God need us to do anything. And even the question why should we help people. While at the same time I think God wants people to help people.

See the contradiction. You have to understand free will to resolve that, it is not needed for anyone to do anything, but in free will existence, you can choose to. And in the same way, if some hurt, that is free will also, which explains why some bad things happen. It is better for some bad things to happen then nobody to exist and without free will a person does not exist.

However there are many that try to explain how a person can do better if they choose, and help those in hardship, in areas that by gift of free will others wrongly hurt them, those areas in my view, God does not always correct.

Although I think those in hardship do get comfort.


There are some that think people should be driven to hardship to 'find God' I think that is looking at God like a terrorist. I would say that many have the better spirit of love and kindness when not in hardship, and the finding of comfort when in hardship is help they are given that does not infringe on free will, not that they are driven to hardship to find that comfort.

Or many have the better spirit without talking about it, as shown by actions throughout their lives. And those in hardship were not driven to hardship to find God, but did find comfort, many times in the form of more knowledge of God, while in hardship caused by a bad free will choice made, many times, by some other person.





Although I have no problem with Bachman either, and actually like her.

[moriah]

7. Reductio ad Hitlerum. She Godwin-ed the debate. Damnit.

We all knew it'd get there eventually, all discussions do. (The actual Godwin's Law.)

[Raschel]

8. Shtik Drek....