they got rid of the mandate NOW

[bluestarone]

what can be done to preserve Obama care? Are the Dems in congress working on a plan? Can we still win this battle?

[still_one]

1. not yet. That doesn't happen in 2019. What is the plan? Take back Congress in 2018

[bluestarone]

3. for sure

i would be so fucking HAPPY for that

[Generic Brad]

9. 2020. Not 2018

Unless we get enough senators and congressmen to override a Republican president's veto, we remain screwed.

[still_one]

30. If we get the majority in both houses in 2018, we have an opportunity to undo that clause regarding

the mandate in 2018.

[Angry Dragon]

2. If you find any republicans with good souls you might have a chance

[Irish_Dem]

4. "Republicans with good souls".....

Surely there must be one or two who will not sentence American citizens to death by repealing healthcare.

[Angry Dragon]

7. I have not seen any..........good luck in your hunting

[Irish_Dem]

8. No heart to hunt for that which does not exist. nt

[Angry Dragon]

11. You have a nice holiday season

[Irish_Dem]

15. Same to you Angry Dragon. I enjoy your posts.

[Angry Dragon]

26. Thank you very much

[Irish_Dem]

31. YW

[Blue_true]

14. You will have better luck finding a live Do-Do bird. nt

[Irish_Dem]

16. And I assume if I found one it would have more integrity and character than a GOPer.

[Blue_true]

18. Most likely. And also have a good survival story to tell to boot.

[Irish_Dem]

21. LOL I guess I won't find a bird that has been extinct for 400 years.

BTW That is about how long it would take to find a republican with a soul.

[jberryhill]

24. Then again, consider such dinosaurs as Orrin Hatch

[Irish_Dem]

25. Hatch may not have a soul, but I guess he has a heart since he is now in love

with TrumpWad.

[Takket]

13. i saw a couple once.......

between the leprechauns and unicorns

[Blue_true]

33. Sounds about right. A republican with a soul exists only in fantasyland. nt

[Iliyah]

5. mandate

2018

[ecstatic]

6. How does the employer mandate remain if the individual mandate is gone?

The employer mandate penalties were supposed to be triggered when a full time employee obtained premium tax credits for individual insurance ("Obamacare&quot directly from the exchange.

Is that still the case?

[Iliyah]

12. GOPers thru thier own IRS will still

take monies from your paycheck although as a young person won't have SS, Medicare nor Medicaid when you get older, future

The purpose of the end of Net N . . so the young won't know and think it's normal.

[bluestarone]

10. with no mandate is the cost going to be way out of reach?

because some will drop out? How does it all work? Can Obama Care survive??? without the mandate

[standingtall]

17. We could get States with Democratic Governors and

Democratic State houses to implement their own healthcare mandates. If there is a willingness there that could go a long way towards softening the blow until after 2020 when we can fix the mess repukes make.

[bluestarone]

19. yea we need to come up with something to

keep the Obama Care going til we can PERMANENTLY FIX IT! any more ideas?

[standingtall]

22. I dont see any other workable solution

with repukes in control of the federal government. Any thing we can do to help will have to come from the State level in States where we have the power to do something. We do have California and New York the 2 of most populace States in the Country. If we can get the big population States we control to implement their own mandate the impact of the repel of the individual mandate will be minimal.

[bluestarone]

23. i like your idea of state level help and

would be nice if some billionaires would set ups a fund to help with this problem too? This i feel is a real sore spot for the Repubs! and i think it would be a real thorn in there side, if help was available for those in need . (somehow make it work)

[0rganism]

20. piece by piece they will tear the ACA down

insurance prices will rise, coverage requirements will disappear
millions will lose insurance coverage
tens of thousands will die
and eventually, Putin willing, America will join the rest of the industrialized world by legislating some form of national health care system, possibly along with a constitutional amendment declaring healthcare as a right.

[Turbineguy]

27. This mandate.

I wonder how much it actually collects. There's no penalty for non-payment and 6 ways to Sunday to get out of paying it. And then it's like $700 per year.

Compared to the pay of health insurance company CEO's, it amounts to nearly nothing.

[bluestarone]

28. yea i do not know the ins and outs of the mandate as

we are retired and in state insurance which we pay. thats why i guess i don't understand exactly how mandate works. always thought there was help for those that could not afford the premium? I know it's all different now that they did away with the mandate. o I guess im confused to all of it

[grantcart]

29. It will die of slow strangulation unless it is reversed

explained here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210003205

[ck4829]

32. Not. Paying.

I've said this over and over again. If Trumpcare causes your medical bills to go up while decreasing your quality of care, then do not pay your medical bills or pay as slowly as possible. Seriously, I've got replies telling me that would make insurers angry and that's why they can't do that. That's the point! We all do it, not just the small group of people I've got going with this in addition to myself, then the government has to respond. Sheesh.