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Affadavit on 2016 exit polls from Ron Baiman Ph.D. (economics) with graduate work in mathematics (Original Post) triron Feb 2018 OP
Summary? Vinnie From Indy Feb 2018 #1
A later version has a more complete title csziggy Feb 2018 #4
Thanks I did not see this. triron Feb 2018 #8
I went to the link. Can you give us a summary??? nt LAS14 Feb 2018 #2
There is a wealth of supportive data in this affadavit. triron Feb 2018 #6
Also 19 out of 21 senate races had a red shift. triron Feb 2018 #13
My Interpretation Is That The Results Were Rigged Just Like In 2004 SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #3
Yawn. Old news. ananda Feb 2018 #5
Important To Powers That Be, That We Insignificants Continue Believing Our Votes Count SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #7
I think that is the narrative both major parties are relentlessly pushing triron Feb 2018 #9
Just like with the tobacco industry and petroleum industry, it takes years for "old news" to gather diva77 Feb 2018 #14
i want the moron DELETED. pansypoo53219 Feb 2018 #10
did you forget your sarcasm smilie? diva77 Feb 2018 #16
Best idea I've heard all day. tosh Feb 2018 #17
I'll take one of those. triron Feb 2018 #18
I just went straight to the conclusion: Glimmer of Hope Feb 2018 #11
Baiman is probably too hard for our lame media to understand. triron Feb 2018 #12
For sure the morons at PBS Newshour don't get it. They still don't get the difference between diva77 Feb 2018 #15
Unadjusted exit poll conspiracy theories are baseless mythology Feb 2018 #19
Yes .. His analysis is predicated on Exit polling be a true random sample of the Le Gaucher Feb 2018 #23
You have any evidence for this? triron Feb 2018 #24
knr triron Feb 2018 #20
knr triron Feb 2018 #21
kick again triron Feb 2018 #22

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
4. A later version has a more complete title
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 05:39 PM
Feb 2018

And this Abstract

This is an unused affidavit that includes data and analysis that corrects, updates, and expands on the data used in an earlier article: http://www.cpegonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Unexplained-Patterns-in-2016-and-Earlier-U.S.-Elections.pdf (also on ResearchGate). This affidavit was part of a legal effort to force an official investigation of the 2016 U.S. General Election official results before they were certified by Congress. However, the effort was dropped when it became clear that the proposed law suit would not even make it to first base, as it would be struck down by the Courts due “to lack of standing” without support by a major party candidate. The campaign of Hilary Clinton showed no inclination to support such an effort.

Updated, Expanded and Corrected Affidavit Version: U.S. 2016 Unadjusted Exit Poll Discrepancies Fit Chronic Republican Vote – Count Rigging, not Random Statistical, Patterns (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319205877_Updated_Expanded_and_Corrected_Affidavit_Version_US_2016_Unadjusted_Exit_Poll_Discrepancies_Fit_Chronic_Republican_Vote_-_Count_Rigging_not_Random_Statistical_Patterns [accessed Feb 08 2018].

triron

(22,020 posts)
8. Thanks I did not see this.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 05:46 PM
Feb 2018

Seems no major candidate ever seems to want 'to go there'; including Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004.
At least no dems do.

triron

(22,020 posts)
6. There is a wealth of supportive data in this affadavit.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 05:42 PM
Feb 2018

I will say that one of the most notable things he observed was a "red shift"
in the presidential vote in 26 out of 28 states. Probability of this happening is not too far shy of 1 in a million!

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
3. My Interpretation Is That The Results Were Rigged Just Like In 2004
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 05:39 PM
Feb 2018

Pretty detailed analysis showing that the election was rigged, just as I figured.

ananda

(28,876 posts)
5. Yawn. Old news.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 05:40 PM
Feb 2018

We've known since Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 that our
elections have been rigged.

The tolerance of it is what gets me!!!!

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
7. Important To Powers That Be, That We Insignificants Continue Believing Our Votes Count
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 05:43 PM
Feb 2018

Elections are for suckers.

diva77

(7,656 posts)
14. Just like with the tobacco industry and petroleum industry, it takes years for "old news" to gather
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 05:44 PM
Feb 2018

enough momentum for change to occur. I hope this affidavit gets spread far and wide. I will be sending it to my congresspeople to help make a dent in the ongoing tolerance of election fraud.

diva77

(7,656 posts)
16. did you forget your sarcasm smilie?
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 05:49 PM
Feb 2018


on edit: maybe you were referring to Dump and not the author of the affidavit; in that case, no sarcasm smilie required!!

tosh

(4,424 posts)
17. Best idea I've heard all day.
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 05:52 PM
Feb 2018

I've been saying behind bars and penniless, but DELETED would be much better.

Thanks for the pleasant thought!

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
11. I just went straight to the conclusion:
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 11:07 PM
Feb 2018

"In conclusion, it is nearly impossible to think of a plausible statistical, or innocent
exit poll error, rationale for the one-sided “red shift” UEP discrepancy patterns,
with the most highly significant discrepancies occurring in key battle ground and
deep-red states, in the 2016 U.S. general election. These repeated patterns of exit
poll discrepancies with official vote counts are in practice, statistically impossible,
but plausible from a political or election security standpoint. In other words, the
only plausible explanations are how votes are counted, not counted, or miscounted
by partisan and largely unmonitored and unregulated election officials or other
external violators of election security, such as domestic or foreign hackers. "

diva77

(7,656 posts)
15. For sure the morons at PBS Newshour don't get it. They still don't get the difference between
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 05:48 PM
Feb 2018

voter fraud and election fraud. They have modeled themselves after Fux. Gwen Ifill is probably rolling in her grave.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
19. Unadjusted exit poll conspiracy theories are baseless
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 07:35 PM
Feb 2018

He'd know that if he had any actual useful background on the subject.


https://www.thenation.com/article/reminder-exit-poll-conspiracy-theories-are-totally-baseless/

Here’s how exit polling works: In most states, Edison conducts phone interviews before Election Day to capture absentee and early voting. Then, on Election Day, they send staff to between 15 and 50 polling places per state, and they ask between 500 and 3,000 voters to fill out questionnaires indicating which candidate they voted for and what issues are important to them. In order to account for those voters who refuse to fill out a questionnaire, exit pollsters have to adjust their survey data. Lenski says that about 50–60 percent refuse to participate. When someone says no, the pollster notes the person’s rough age, race, and gender. They then weight their data to match the population that voted at that location.

Some media outlets post preliminary data when the polls close—that’s the supposedly raw data that, according to the conspiracy-minded, reveal the fraud. But those data have already been merged with the results of those telephone interviews, and they have already been adjusted throughout the day (the interviewers send in their survey results in three waves). Unadjusted data are never released. (If you Google “exit polls adjusted New York,” you’ll get back dozens of posts claiming that the “unadjusted exit polls” varied significantly from the final results. All of those posts are dead wrong, as none of their authors have any idea what the unadjusted data looked like.)


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ten-reasons-why-you-should-ignore-exit/

1. Exit polls have a much larger intrinsic margin for error than regular polls. This is because of what are known as cluster sampling techniques. Exit polls are not conducted at all precincts, but only at some fraction thereof. Although these precincts are selected at random and are supposed to be reflective of their states as a whole, this introduces another opportunity for error to occur (say, for instance, that a particular precinct has been canvassed especially heavily by one of the campaigns). This makes the margins for error somewhere between 50-90% higher than they would be for comparable telephone surveys.

2. Exit polls have consistently overstated the Democratic share of the vote. Many of you will recall this happening in 2004, when leaked exit polls suggested that John Kerry would have a much better day than he actually had. But this phenomenon was hardly unique to 2004. In 2000, for instance, exit polls had Al Gore winning states like Alabama and Georgia (!). If you go back and watch The War Room, you’ll find George Stephanopolous and James Carville gloating over exit polls showing Bill Clinton winning states like Indiana and Texas, which of course he did not win.


 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
23. Yes .. His analysis is predicated on Exit polling be a true random sample of the
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 06:35 AM
Feb 2018

Precinct.

It also ignores people too ashamed to admit voting for Trump - but did so anyway.

This is also the reason that Dotard may have higher approval than reported.

triron

(22,020 posts)
24. You have any evidence for this?
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 02:08 PM
Feb 2018

Besides this is not based precinct level but state level tallies.
So why doesn't this happen worldwide? Exit polls are accurate in other countries that use them.

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