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Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:43 AM Feb 2018

The media deserve an F for failing to report on the consequences of the gop's inability to govern

Americans dying of the flu while the CDC is underfunded and without a leader, Americans still without power in Puerto Rico, Americans without safe drinking water in Flint and many other places, American families torn apart as ICE agents adopt Gestapo like tactics...the list goes on and on

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The media deserve an F for failing to report on the consequences of the gop's inability to govern (Original Post) Va Lefty Feb 2018 OP
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Feb 2018 #1
K&R dewsgirl Feb 2018 #2
The Main media has become an extension of politics combined with reality TV. Guilded Lilly Feb 2018 #3
Trump doesn't give a damn, he's a sociopath ... and MSM only airs what makes money RKP5637 Feb 2018 #4
It is going to make a great history in review of Trump's administration. Baitball Blogger Feb 2018 #5
About the media DownriverDem Feb 2018 #6
K&R! gademocrat7 Feb 2018 #7
While not in any way defending the media... JayhawkSD Feb 2018 #8
What are you talking about? Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2018 #9
Okay, I will satnd partillly corrected. JayhawkSD Feb 2018 #11
The Senate DID pass a bipartisan immigration reform bill in 2013 Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2018 #16
It is amnesty, and amnesty is not a dirty word. JayhawkSD Feb 2018 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author JayhawkSD Feb 2018 #12
Covering the story is one thing Va Lefty Feb 2018 #15
Preamble? What Preamble? Eyeball_Kid Feb 2018 #10
Too Often, the MSM Resembles Cats Chasing a Laser Pointer dlk Feb 2018 #13
Bingo zipplewrath Feb 2018 #27
Also for not reporting how many people without security clearance randr Feb 2018 #14
How did you learn there were people without security clearances? brooklynite Feb 2018 #23
Do you mean when did I learn? randr Feb 2018 #24
No, I mean HOW did you learn it? From what source? brooklynite Feb 2018 #25
Probably NPR randr Feb 2018 #28
So, you're blaming the media for not reporting a story you heard on the media... brooklynite Feb 2018 #29
I thing the level of discourse on the subject has just now risen to the level it requires randr Feb 2018 #30
Corporate owners of the media not fooled Feb 2018 #17
What corporate media are you watching/reading? JayhawkSD Feb 2018 #22
Wonder if the Founding Fathers envisioned the First Amendment to be applied with a profit motive Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #18
The entitled media live in a safe bubble.. or think they do NRaleighLiberal Feb 2018 #20
One explanation for their not covering these things in more detail Ligyron Feb 2018 #21
he denies climate change and wants to defund the Weather Service Skittles Feb 2018 #26

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
3. The Main media has become an extension of politics combined with reality TV.
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:03 AM
Feb 2018

An obsessed side show.
Tremendously disheartening.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
4. Trump doesn't give a damn, he's a sociopath ... and MSM only airs what makes money
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:08 AM
Feb 2018

for them. They don't give a damn about the US, only as it effects their bottom line. It's a horrific combination, and the Fox News and the like fill the country with propaganda.

DownriverDem

(6,978 posts)
6. About the media
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:17 AM
Feb 2018

The media is corp owned and governed. Guess what side they are on. The media being liberal is just a bunch of BS.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
8. While not in any way defending the media...
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:57 AM
Feb 2018

...which I despise with fully as much fervor as you appear to do, lets find more valid criticicisms to level at them.
"Failing to report?"

"Americans dying of the flu while the CDC is underfunded and without a leader..." I don't know what you are watching in Virginia, but on the "western edition" of the national news and on every iteration of local news in California, the flu epidemic is good for at least two and sometimes three segments, and the CDC's problems are getting plenty of coverage.

Americans still without power in Puerto Rico was covered daily for months, with the Trump administration being heavily criticized for hiring an inadequate electric repair company that was actually hired by the Puerto Rican local government. Power problems received several segments recently, even while the Winter Olympics are on.

Americans without safe drinking water in Flint and many other places was another issue carried daily when it happened during the Obama administration. The emergency was declared in January of 2106, and by Jan of 2017 water was returned to safe condition and replacement of lead pipes was underway, with completion scheduled for 2020. To repeat, media coverage was massive.

American families torn apart as ICE agents adopt Gestapo like tactics was another problem covered rather thoroughly during the time that the Obama administration was deporting illegal immigrants at a rate vastly higher than any president before him. Trump threatened to cancel Obama's DREAM act executive order, but never actually did so. What is being seriously under reported is the repeated refusal of a Democratic Congress to pass the DREAM act, not just once but twice, when Obama asked them to.

I'm all in favor of being critical of the media and of Trump, but let's use facts, please. There are plenty of facts to use. Lets leave the use of fakery to the Republicans.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,937 posts)
9. What are you talking about?
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:59 AM
Feb 2018

Trump DID cancel Obama's DREAM act EO. I also could be wrong but I thought that I had heard that DREAM got filibustered in the Senate- by Republicans.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
11. Okay, I will satnd partillly corrected.
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:04 AM
Feb 2018

He cancelled it and, before any action was taken said he would withhold deportations until action was taken by Congesss. No deportations have been made pursuant to his cancellation. In ordering that action be suspended pending decision by Congress, he effectively withdrew the cancellation.

Parents of dream children are being deported when they commit breaches of the law, but that is nothing new. It was happening under the Obama administration and is not a result of the cancellation of the executive order.

And is the Senate not part of Congress? Actually, in at least one attempt the House refused to even bring it to the floor.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,937 posts)
16. The Senate DID pass a bipartisan immigration reform bill in 2013
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:14 AM
Feb 2018

that languished and died in the (Republican) House. Not defending President Obama's deportation policies but at least he tried to protect Dreamers and the blame for not doing more is way more on Republicans than on Democrats here. Republicans and their "base" view ANY attempts to change our immigration policies that do ANYTHING positive as "Amnesty".

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
19. It is amnesty, and amnesty is not a dirty word.
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:28 AM
Feb 2018

We keep playing defense when we should call them on their bullshit. "It's amnesty," they cry and we start backing up and explaining why it may look like amnesty but it's really not, when we should reply, "Of course it's amnesty, you idiot. Amnesty is a virtue."

Dreamers broke the law by coming to this country without legal permission. The judge says that there were extenuating circumstances and grants them amnesty because of those circumstances. It is all well within the framework of our legal system.

Now, amnesty without those extenuating circumstances is a different thing. Deport the parents who brought them? No, not a good answer, obviously. I'm not sure there is a good answer.

This is what happens when you don't enforce your laws. We've had laws for a long time against entry into this country without permission. We've had laws against employing persons who are not in this country legally. We have not enforced these laws because to do so would have been inconvenient for the businesses that run the country. Now that policy is biting us on the ass and we don't know what to do about it. We do the amnesty thing, as we did back in 1989, and the problem just gets bigger. It was 4 million that time and we are looking at 12 million this time. How many will we be looking at next time?

We did this to ourselves.

Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #9)

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
15. Covering the story is one thing
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:12 AM
Feb 2018

The connection needs to be made about the gops inability or unwillingness to try and run a competent government

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
27. Bingo
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:29 PM
Feb 2018

That's a great analogy. They chase the red spot, not take notice of the source.

randr

(12,622 posts)
14. Also for not reporting how many people without security clearance
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:10 AM
Feb 2018

had access to to sensitive files.
This is huge.
The whole of the Hillary email investigation centered on the possibility that someone without clearance could access sensitive documents. Now it appears the whole gang of trumpsters has access to information they would not be allowed to have.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
23. How did you learn there were people without security clearances?
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:32 PM
Feb 2018

Since the media apparently didn't cover it?

randr

(12,622 posts)
24. Do you mean when did I learn?
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:37 PM
Feb 2018

Just recently, and recently I learn that they were mostly vetted last summer and no one has made a big deal out of it until now.

randr

(12,622 posts)
28. Probably NPR
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:07 PM
Feb 2018

Or MSNBC. Those are only networks I listen to at all, maybe an occasional drift to CNN for brief moments.
And the Daily show, Full Frontal, and Cobert.
I do recall passing references to persons with no clearance but no one was making a big deal.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
29. So, you're blaming the media for not reporting a story you heard on the media...
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:28 PM
Feb 2018

...that's what I thought.

randr

(12,622 posts)
30. I thing the level of discourse on the subject has just now risen to the level it requires
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:31 PM
Feb 2018

And the media has been directing the discussion since I was born.
I am not "blaming" the media, I know they follow the bouncing dollar, or tweet, to keep our attention and only answer to the bean counters.
I am merely pointing out that, imho, this is a bit late in being brought to the attention of the public.

not fooled

(6,608 posts)
17. Corporate owners of the media
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:20 AM
Feb 2018

want the populace to accept the orange turd and his larcenous party as legitimate leaders.

They don't want to stir up and scare the peasantry.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
22. What corporate media are you watching/reading?
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:37 AM
Feb 2018

The first segment of the national news is always something about Trump being a Russian agent, or how Trump deserves impeachment and is going to get it any minute because Robert Mueller is right on his heels. The next segment is something about how he is a monster that is supportive of the wife beaters in his White House staff. The third segment is about how he is a Russian puppet who spoke to Putin, ostensibly to offer condolence on the plane crash, but actually to collaborate on the mid-term elections. The fourth segment is to point out that his wife declined to hold his hand as they boarded the helicopter.

I haven't seen a media as virulently opposed to a president since Nixon, and compared to Trump they treated Nixon with love and kisses.

Mr. Ected

(9,713 posts)
18. Wonder if the Founding Fathers envisioned the First Amendment to be applied with a profit motive
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:21 AM
Feb 2018

I sincerely doubt it.

I also don't recall a single mention of the word "capitalism" in our Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence, or the Bill of Rights.

Just sayin'.

NRaleighLiberal

(61,616 posts)
20. The entitled media live in a safe bubble.. or think they do
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:31 AM
Feb 2018

$$$$ eyeballs clicks is all. Not us...not truth.

Ligyron

(8,004 posts)
21. One explanation for their not covering these things in more detail
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:32 AM
Feb 2018

is that everyday, and often several times a day, the Trump administration commits another outrage that drives the previous outrage off the front page.

MSNBC does a pretty good job covering things, I think.

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