The evidence is right in front of our faces.

[shockey80]

Trump, the Trump campaign conspired with Russia against Clinton. Conspiracy against the American election process. They tried to cover it up. Obstruction of justice. They are guilty. We are just waiting for Mueller to make it official. He will. Its sort of like we found the fingerprints at the crime scene and we are just waiting for the results.

I heard on MSNBC Mueller can ask permission from the acting Attorney General to change the justice dept. rule about indicting a sitting president. This could get very interesting.

[dalton99a]

1. We have a Russian criminal sitting in the Oval Office.

[spanone]

2. trump will not implement sanctions voted by congress....COLLUSION

[wishstar]

3. If Mueller can indict Trump as co-conspirator, Trump can't pardon the others

so seems logical that Mueller would attempt to nail Trump for his central role in encouraging others on the team to contact Russians promising sanctions relief in return for help in campaign and for them all to lie and cover up the contacts.

[onenote]

5. Says who?

Where in the constitution, the us code, or any judicial precedent does it say a president can't pardon a co-conspirator?

He can do it. There would likely be consequences, but it's wrong to say he "can't" do it.

[cilla4progress]

7. I have heard this,

too.

[onenote]

8. The Supreme Court. Ex Parte Garland. 1866:

"The power of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the President is unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment. The power is not subject to legislative control."

[cilla4progress]

10. Apparently some legal experts agree with me!

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/29/16211784/flynn-charged-fbi-trump-pardon-mueller-russia

Snip:

Julie O’Sullivan, law professor, Georgetown University

If the President pardons anyone involved in the Russian investigation, it may prove to be one of the stupidest things he has yet done. If the president were to pardon Kushner or Manafort or Flynn, presumably that pardon would extend to the Russia investigation because that is what concerns Trump. If — and this is a big if — the president is shown to have pardoned them to avoid his own personal exposure in the Russia investigation, that in and of itself could constitute obstruction of justice.

[cilla4progress]

11. Also -

https://www.npr.org/2017/07/29/539856280/could-trump-pardon-himself-probably-not

Snip:

The Constitution gives the president the power to grant pardons "for offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." So he can't pardon himself from impeachment; he can't pardon anyone facing state charges, and most — but not all — constitutional law experts believe he can't pardon himself on federal charges either.

A self-pardon would be "politically, a disaster," says Brian Kalt, law professor at Michigan State University and author of Constitutional Cliffhangers. "The main check on the pardon power is political accountability," he adds.

[scarytomcat]

12. he may already have

unnamed co-conspirator in earlier indictments

[poboy2]

4. Treason -eom

[cilla4progress]

6. Can someone explain why all the anchors

act so surprised about this?

Is it 1) because there is finally solid proof; or 2) they must not appear to be slandering him?

I mean, Rachel has been connecting these dots for months! But everyone still acts so surprised!

[BSdetect]

9. Keep ratings alive?

A huge boost coming if there is a trial.