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packman

(16,296 posts)
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:37 PM Mar 2018

Too much to bear - Bacon a proven cause of cancer



The health risk of bacon is largely to do with two food additives: potassium nitrate (also known as saltpetre) and sodium nitrite. It is these that give salamis, bacons and cooked hams their alluring pink colour. Saltpetre – sometimes called sal prunella – has been used in some recipes for salted meats since ancient times. As Jane Grigson explains in Charcuterie and French Pork Cookery, saltpetre was traditionally used when brining hams to give them “an attractive rosy appearance when otherwise it would be a murky greyish brown”.

In an ideal world, we would all be eating diets lower in meat, processed or otherwise, for the sake of sustainability and animal welfare as much as health. But in the world we actually live in, processed meats are still a normal, staple protein for millions of people who can’t afford to swap a value pack of frying bacon for a few slivers of Prosciutto di Parma. Around half of all meat eaten in developed countries is now processed, according to researcher John Kearney, making it a far more universal habit than smoking.

The real victims in all this are not people like me who enjoy the occasional bacon-on-sourdough in a hipster cafe. The people who will be worst affected are those – many on low incomes – for whom the cancer risk from bacon is compounded by other risk factors such as eating low-fibre diets with few vegetables or wholegrains. In his book, Coudray points out that in coming years, millions more poor consumers will be affected by preventable colon cancer, as westernised processed meats conquer the developing world.

A long read - basically the author accuses the processed meat industry hiding the dangers of cancer-causing chemicals much akin to the cigarette industry concealing the dangers of smoking.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages

Three smells linger in the memory forever - the wonderful talc smell of a baby, the smell of leather seats in a brand-new car, and morning bacon sizzling in a cast-iron pan in the kitchen mingled with freshly brewed coffee.


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Too much to bear - Bacon a proven cause of cancer (Original Post) packman Mar 2018 OP
I eat uncured bacon now SummerSnow Mar 2018 #1
Whole muscles can be cured only with salt Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #7
Yes, that is what the article recommends as subs packman Mar 2018 #10
Pancetta is a superior cured meat to bacon anyway Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #31
Yeah, I've cured bacon, lamb and beef both with nitrates and without. Farmer-Rick Mar 2018 #35
I still love bacon. CanonRay Mar 2018 #2
I love bacon too - but will only eat nitrate free uncured womanofthehills Mar 2018 #19
I make salami, prosciutto, and pancetta Drahthaardogs Mar 2018 #3
I'll take my chances. Thyla Mar 2018 #4
Me too... HipChick Mar 2018 #14
I'm with you guys! tonyt53 Mar 2018 #36
NOOOOOOOOOO! genxlib Mar 2018 #5
I also eat uncured bacon, on the rare occasions I buy bacon anymore. Alas, I have aged out. Shrike47 Mar 2018 #6
Proof: There is no God. FSogol Mar 2018 #8
Actually God says not to eat pork products in the Bible. :P OliverQ Mar 2018 #21
Does shrimp cause cancer? They say not to eat that too. FSogol Mar 2018 #22
I eat organic uncured turkey bacon. ananda Mar 2018 #9
you can get bacon without those. personally, I have to... Javaman Mar 2018 #11
CELERY is carcinogenic. PARSNIPS are carcinogenic. maxsolomon Mar 2018 #12
I think it's only the brown spots on celery - I always make sure I cut them off womanofthehills Mar 2018 #18
The game of life is hard to play; you're gonna lose it anyway. nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #27
Of course it is PJMcK Mar 2018 #13
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #15
So is the coffee I'm washing it down with. Yum. Not getting out of here alive anyway. Nailzberg Mar 2018 #16
My wife was fanatically devoted to her health The_jackalope Mar 2018 #17
Sorry about your loss. I have a family friend going through a cancer battle now who is young SweetieD Mar 2018 #28
This is not new. :) When I became a vegetarian bacon is the ONLY food I had trouble giving up. MelissaB Mar 2018 #20
Only reason I'm still alive DFW Mar 2018 #23
Bacon killed my dad MountCleaners Mar 2018 #24
It tastes so good. I have cut back on it a lot. I only have it a few times a year now. SweetieD Mar 2018 #25
And fresh-brewed coffee. Nothing could taste as good as coffee smells while tblue37 Mar 2018 #26
im still gonna eat it.... samnsara Mar 2018 #29
Oxygen is a proved cause of cancer. Wolf Frankula Mar 2018 #30
I had bacon wrapped then broiled asparagus last night . The asaparagus was thin and some lunasun Mar 2018 #32
As always the details matter mythology Mar 2018 #33
There's some PasadenaTrudy Mar 2018 #34
Giving up meat is a process janterry Mar 2018 #37
Nitrates are not the only health risks of bacon..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #38
What puzzles me is that this is being posted as news. Adele Davis alerted... LAS14 Mar 2018 #39

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
7. Whole muscles can be cured only with salt
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:43 PM
Mar 2018

Prosciutto and pancetta are typically made without nitrates or nitrites. Ground and dried or smoked sausages or lunch meat are a different matter.

They make nitrate free hot dogs, but they are loaded with celery powder which has nitrate

Farmer-Rick

(10,219 posts)
35. Yeah, I've cured bacon, lamb and beef both with nitrates and without.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:42 PM
Mar 2018

To tell you the truth they tasted the same.

I will not reduce the amount of meat I eat. But then I raise my own on carefully manage pastures. The trick is to move them from place to place before they eat the pasture down.

womanofthehills

(8,795 posts)
19. I love bacon too - but will only eat nitrate free uncured
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:52 PM
Mar 2018

Uncured bacon and eggs (from my own chickens) along with fresh organic blueberries or oranges, I believe is a healthy breakfast. Much better than oats and grains - usually sprayed with Roundup three days before harvest.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
3. I make salami, prosciutto, and pancetta
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:40 PM
Mar 2018

There is more nitrate in a bunch of celery than there is in an entire salami.

Also, you NEED nitrate in these foods as they break down into nitrites that inhibit botulism toxin.

genxlib

(5,546 posts)
5. NOOOOOOOOOO!
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:42 PM
Mar 2018

Although I would be lying if I said I was surprised.

I am hoping this is one of those volume things where they fed rats the equivalent of 40 pounds of bacon a day. Maybe it is still safe to eat a few slices a week.

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
11. you can get bacon without those. personally, I have to...
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:50 PM
Mar 2018

nitrates give me migraines.

and that type isn't hard to find.

And it tastes no different than with nitrates.

and here's more information regarding the nitrates in celery power.

https://firsthandfoods.com/2017/12/06/nitrate-free-bacon-myth-or-reality/

womanofthehills

(8,795 posts)
18. I think it's only the brown spots on celery - I always make sure I cut them off
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:44 PM
Mar 2018

the brown spots are a fungus called pink rot.


Then you have peanut butter loaded with aflatoxins - peanuts I never eat.

PJMcK

(22,059 posts)
13. Of course it is
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:19 PM
Mar 2018

As my doctor told me, "If it tastes good, you can't have it."

It's probably Obama's fault. (wink)

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
17. My wife was fanatically devoted to her health
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:28 PM
Mar 2018

Organic everything, 100% vegetarian, never bought food with additives.

Died last September at the age of 65 from ovarian cancer.

Memento mori. Fuck it, life is too short, I'm going to enjoy whatever time I have here. I eat bacon.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
28. Sorry about your loss. I have a family friend going through a cancer battle now who is young
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:17 PM
Mar 2018

just turned 40, was an avid runner, vegetarian, never overweight,and she is now fighting to live for her husband and baby. Life is way too short. I think everything is ok in moderation.

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
20. This is not new. :) When I became a vegetarian bacon is the ONLY food I had trouble giving up.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:02 PM
Mar 2018

I has all the triggers and is amazingly good. It took a long time to not want it even when my husband cooks it.

DFW

(54,453 posts)
23. Only reason I'm still alive
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:11 PM
Mar 2018

Probably due to the fact that I never really liked bacon.

Actually, since I was diagnosed with high uric acid 30 years ago, I cut down on most red meat anyway. I'll have the occasional slice of Bündnerfleisch, but that's about it.

tblue37

(65,502 posts)
26. And fresh-brewed coffee. Nothing could taste as good as coffee smells while
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:15 PM
Mar 2018

brewing, so to me coffee is always a bit of a disappointment to drink.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
32. I had bacon wrapped then broiled asparagus last night . The asaparagus was thin and some
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:27 PM
Mar 2018

of the bunches wrapped were burnt at the top making it crispy. But that was the only meat on the dish of food . Extra thick cut from a local
yum
oh well...

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
33. As always the details matter
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:38 PM
Mar 2018

Eating 2 slices of bacon a day increases your odds of colorectal cancer from about 5% to about 6%. Yes it's an increase, but to my mind not a significant one. That said there are plenty of more significant reasons to not eat a lot of bacon like heart disease. But as with most "bad" things, if you eat it moderately, it won't significantly impact your health provided you have a balanced diet, exercise and don't have some other underlying condition.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
37. Giving up meat is a process
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:55 PM
Mar 2018

I did it many years ago and don't miss it. Lately, I've been toying with veganism. I assume that's a process, too - so I'm taking my time looking at great vegan recipes - so that it is also fun .

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
38. Nitrates are not the only health risks of bacon.....
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 03:39 PM
Mar 2018

The elephant in the room .... way too many fat grams.

Another problem is sodium content.

I love bacon. However, it is a rare occassion that I eat it.

If you want to eat healthy....and that is a big if....you need lots of fruits and vegetables, whole grains.....cut down on red meats.....don't need to be vegetarian, but don't over-do meat....and as for stuff like bacon, sausage, salami, and other chemical factories masquerading as food......you gotta be kidding!!!

LAS14

(13,789 posts)
39. What puzzles me is that this is being posted as news. Adele Davis alerted...
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 03:41 PM
Mar 2018

...us to nitrates and nitrites in the 70's.

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