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babylonsister

(171,061 posts)
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 05:59 PM Mar 2018

Charles P. Pierce: At Every Corner, Mueller Finds More Corruption

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a19086709/mueller-trump-subpoena/

At Every Corner, Mueller Finds More Corruption
President* Trump is scared. He should be.
By Charles P. Pierce
Mar 5, 2018

snip//

It was about quarter-to-Frances McDormand on Sunday night when Oscar Twitter was interrupted by what back in the day would have been called a hail of writs from the office of Robert Mueller, Special Counsel. And, as LBJ once put it to a reluctant legislator, it’s like being out on the road in a Texas thunderstorm—can’t run, can’t hide, can’t make it stop. From NBC News:

According to the subpoena, which was sent to a witness by special counsel Robert Mueller, investigators want emails, text messages, work papers, telephone logs and other documents going back to Nov. 1, 2015, 4½ months after Trump launched his campaign. The witness shared details of the subpoena on condition of anonymity. The news site Axios reported Sunday that a subpoena was sent to a witness last month.

In addition to the president, the subpoena seeks documents that have anything to do with these current and former Trump associates:

· Steve Bannon, who left the White House as chief strategist in August.

· Michael Cohen, a personal lawyer for Trump who testified before congressional investigators in October.

· Rick Gates, Trump's former deputy campaign manager, who pleaded guilty last month to conspiracy and lying to the FBI.

· Hope Hicks, who resigned last week as Trump's communications director.

· Corey Lewandowski, Trump's campaign manager until June 2016.

· Paul Manafort, a former Trump campaign manager and Gates' business partner, who pleaded not guilty to money laundering, conspiracy and making false statements last week.

· Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide.

· Keith Schiller, a former bodyguard for Trump who left as director of Oval Office operations in September.

· Roger Stone, a longtime Republican political operative and Trump campaign adviser who sources have told NBC News is the focus of investigators interested in his contacts with WikiLeaks during the campaign.

Here’s what all this means. This means that Mueller and his staff have likely concluded now that the entire Trump For President campaign was a corrupt enterprise in one way or another almost since the moment it was first conceived and that the same can be said of the Trump presidency*. It’s the money. It’s the Russians. The whole damn dirty deal is one great writhing ball of poisonous snakes and Mueller seems to be perilously close to untangling it.

The subpoenas go back to 2015 and woe betide anyone, as the nuns used to tell us, who fed any subpoenaed material into the shredder. At least a few of those people on that list have already flipped or likely have announced their intentions privately to do so. All of them except Cohen will have left the White House when Hicks leaves in a few weeks.

The working presumption of the Mueller investigation now is that nobody is clean in all of this. Everybody has something to tell about everybody else. Absent the promise of a presidential* pardon—a promise that is prima facie worthless simply because it comes from this president*—the stampede for the lifeboats is going to be deafening this week.

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He is looking at the Trump campaign and the Trump presidency* as one massive three-year money-suck, a fundraising mechanism to enrich its inside players and to monetize the political system, and then the presidency, for every last dollar, riyal, or ruble that can be squeezed out of both of those institutions. Mueller is finding corruption everywhere he looks. He is now a fireman in hell.
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Charles P. Pierce: At Every Corner, Mueller Finds More Corruption (Original Post) babylonsister Mar 2018 OP
K&R and thanks! nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #1
Watergate...all over again...? Stuart G Mar 2018 #2
This is Watergate on steroids to an order of magnitude RandomAccess Mar 2018 #3
I wouldn't call it "child's play" but this is indeed worse on one way. Stuart G Mar 2018 #5
Okay, I'll agree RandomAccess Mar 2018 #6
This makes Dan Mar 2018 #4
This sentence does indeed show the similarity to Watergate: Stuart G Mar 2018 #7
DURec and kick nt longship Mar 2018 #8

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
2. Watergate...all over again...?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 06:28 PM
Mar 2018

Nixon was a corrupt asshole long before his election..

so is/ was Trump
this sentence say everything one needs to know:

.Mueller is finding corruption everywhere he looks. Why?

That is who Trump is. He is a lying, corrupt fuck-head...He got a way with a lot, so that is what he is trying to do now....as Nixon did. But....Nixon got caught...and resigned.. took a couple of years..

Trump got caught...look at the entire article...Trump has been caught... What will be the end of it?
That is the future..Trump is embolden by the Republican controlled congress. Who knows what will happen after November?


 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
3. This is Watergate on steroids to an order of magnitude
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:08 PM
Mar 2018

Watergate is child's play compared to this shit.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
5. I wouldn't call it "child's play" but this is indeed worse on one way.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:31 PM
Mar 2018

For one reason that is very clear. A nation historically opposed to the United States helped not only electing the president,...... but could have been involved in fixing election results. That is changing the election results.

Hillary should be the current President of the United States. Nevertheless, the investigator, Mueller and his team, will get the U.S. citizens involved, and addition to many Russians involved. While Trump and is Russian friends are very good at lying and cheating,........

Mueller and his team are better at uncovering the lies and corruption. That has been their lifetime work. Also, I think there is motivation there, to catch them and expose them that exceeds the Trump group. The arrogance of the Trumps goes beyond Nixon in some ways. (although it is very close) ..Nixon did try to stop peace negotiations once..but that is different than the collusion that the Trump crowd engaged in.

I wouldn't call Watergate "child's play." It was deliberate and criminal. Many went to jail, even the closest advisors of Nixon went to jail. If and when the Trump crowd are proven guilty and go to jail, then the proof will be established that it is just as bad or worse. We are not there yet, but I think we will get there. Mueller might be fired, but that will cause a constitutional crises. Maybe not. From the outside looking at it, it does look like Trump's closest advisors are in serious trouble. (what makes this totally different, some of those people are in his direct family..what a show...get yourself lots of ...


 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
6. Okay, I'll agree
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:38 PM
Mar 2018

Poor choice of words.

I mainly meant to say it was much, much, much smaller in so many ways than this is. STILL important, STILL criminal, STILL bad, and definitely not child's play.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
7. This sentence does indeed show the similarity to Watergate:
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:39 PM
Mar 2018

Here’s what all this means. This means that Mueller and his staff have likely concluded now that the entire Trump For President campaign was a corrupt enterprise in one way or another almost since the moment it was first conceived and that the same can be said of the Trump presidency*. It’s the money. It’s the Russians. The whole damn dirty deal is one great writhing ball of poisonous snakes and Mueller seems to be perilously close to untangling it.

The crowd in Watergate did indeed go to jail..They were also a corrupt enterprise..
...Two closest advisors...Haldeman and Erlichman ..both went to jail.
...Atty General, John Mitchel, ...went to jail
...Presidential Lawyer, John Dean...went to jail...etc...etc.

Over 40 people went to jail..it was a truly a "corrupt enterprise"
Here is a nice partial list if you would like to know more:

http://watergate.info/analysis/casualties-and-convictions

Lastly, this is evolving like Watergate. Although never proven, Nixon may have ordered the break in and the cover up..As everything is uncovered about Trump, he too may have ordered and participated in all aspects of the Russian collusion. I do think that Mueller and his team will uncover it all. And it won't be pretty..It is not pretty now, but it will become much worse..

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