Local Chatter Is So Discouraging It's Hard To Hope. Hear Is What I Heard Today.

[TheMastersNemesis]

Trump liked because he is running out all the Mexicans and eliminating all the takers, slackers, minorities et al off the government tit that is costing tax payer money. Retirees, public employees are getting pensions they do not deserve. Plus public employee don't do any work and are lazy and inefficient. Union workers don't deserve the excessive pay they get because all they do is stand around. We don't need unions.

The loss of jobs, outsourcing and low pay were started by Carter and the Democrats have screwed the middle class. Now almost everyone is on welfare and do not want to work. And the younger generation is lazy and expects to be given everything. Plus Democrats just give away all this free stuff.

You have to work to justify what you get. If you can't work you should not expect much. Beside the rich should not have to pay for these programs.

And it goes on an on. Just about every Fox and conservative talking point you can think of.

I am somewhat paraphrasing what I heard. These are the kinds of themes and memes that seem so common.

ADDENDUM -- What I have been trying to point out is how deeply these ignorant memes and themes are embedded into the public psyche. As I have said down post arguing seems to have no effect in changing minds.

[poboy2]

1. Crabs in a hamper. -nt

[TheMastersNemesis]

2. I Know.

[Renew Deal]

3. Where did you hear it?

[Glamrock]

4. Not fucking necessary

Poster is here every day fighting the good fight. Kind of a shitty thing to say.

[ProfessorGAC]

11. Dead On, Glamrock

I have no idea what that post was even about.

[Glamrock]

13. You know what Professor?

I fucking love this place! But the unnecessary snark can be a bit much at times. Ya know?

[ProfessorGAC]

14. My Sentiments, Exactly

Been here forever (well, not forever) but there are days....

[Glamrock]

15. Hahaha

Yeah man, there are days......

[RandomAccess]

16. LOL -- Yeah, I know

(Little inside joke there.)

[Glamrock]

20. Hehehehe

I see what you did there sister.....

[Renew Deal]

17. You know what else isn't necessary?

Unloading RW talking points on DU.

[EL34x4]

25. "RW talking points" is a nice catch-all...

...and often seems to be defined as "anything we don't want to hear."

[TheMastersNemesis]

31. I Am Just Relating What Is In The Conversational Din.These RW Points Seem To Be Impossible To Combat

I have argued with some people that I have know for years on many of these issues. Sadly this fighting nonsense is like trying to swat flies.

[Ohiogal]

5. I hear the "free stuff" thing all the time

They think 99% of their taxes go towards paying for "free stuff" for lazy slackers and minorities. They are totally obsessed with money and paying too much in taxes. They all believe in "I got mine, the heck with you." Even when they profess to be Christians.

[vlyons]

6. Why are you listening to such despicable trash

and why are you repeating it?

[Ohiogal]

8. Sometimes you hear people at work saying these things

or sometimes you have relatives who say it
or sometimes you overhear a conversation in a doctor's office waiting room or store

I have been in those situations. It's not like the poster is seeking out this garbage. IMO, poster is just lamenting the fact that so many rubes still believe this shit.

[JCanete]

9. that's silly. You need to hear what people are thinking. How the fuck are you going to

address their misconceptions if you dont' even know what they are? Did you manage to respond to this thread about "such despicable trash" without reading said despicable trash? Why are you reading it? If you did, tell me how your bubble is working out for you.

[vlyons]

19. I read the first bit only

that was more than enough to recognize it as garbage. And I certainly didn't pollute the minds of others by repeating it. I'm better than that.

[JCanete]

21. ignoring my other point entirely. Have a response? how does just pretending things dont exist

actually work in the real world?

[vlyons]

27. Ignoring garbage is easy

You should try it sometime

[JCanete]

28. and if you do it just goes away I'm sure.

[maxsolomon]

7. I just ask questions now

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where did you hear that?

can you give me a specific example?

they can't. if they have an example, it will be a lie or a distortion. life is complicated, and they think it's binary.

old white people are up to their eyeballs in resentment.

[Ohiogal]

10. "Where did you hear that?" is a good one

Either they won't have an answer, or they'll say "Well, everybody knows such-and-such is true!"

Yeah, everybody THEY know.

[ProfessorGAC]

12. I've Run Into Your "Everybody" Line

My reply to that has been "well i'm part of everybody and i am certain it's NOT true."

[shanti]

22. yes

when a rw cousin posted that tripe of fb, i responded by telling him just HOW unions work FOR people (and me in particular), not against them. *crickets* they REALLY want to get rid of unions!

[maxsolomon]

23. see, that's the thing

you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

you can't tell a trumpist or conservative what you think or what the facts are; they don't listen. they dig in. they're too invested in believing they didn't get conned and that WE are the ones attacking them, trying to destroy Merica, take their guns, etc.

you have to let them figure it out for themselves. it's exhausting and it takes forever.

after all, it took forever (30 years) to brainwash them to this point.

[LexVegas]

18. Where do you live? Alatexaho? Jesus. nt

[Tipperary]

26. This poster is known for similar posts. Usually rather pessimistic, if not defeatist.

[sawasigndc]

24. tell them: "Fox news Lies". (to get votes for billionaires)

Don't counter the politics points, counter the propaganda.

Buy this shirt and wear it.

[TheMastersNemesis]

29. I Am Living In Westminster, Colorado. It Is Amazing To Me To Hear These Views.

And I have been hearing these same things over time. My hope is that there are people with some common sense. There are times I hear people talking a restaurants and it is pretty much the same memes. I do not get the level of ignorance. The problem is that RW hate talk and Fox News is so pervasive.

[TheMastersNemesis]

30. I Have Tried In The Past To Point Out The Facts. You Get No Where Whatsoever.