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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI want to apologize for my stupid comments in the Glen Greenwald threads.
I was POed and angrily posting before I had all the facts on his twitter comments about Obama raping a nun.
I'm sorry.
hlthe2b
(102,477 posts)and whatever the facts might be?
Otherwise, I am likely to commit the same today.
thanks
hlthe2b
(102,477 posts)with ramped up hyperbole and incendiary rhetoric between the Pro and Anti-Greenwald factions. Can't defend Greenwald's use of rape comment, but geebus, can we take a break and find our enemies among the many obnoxious RW politicos, pundits, and candidates?
Thanks, Odin. We all get a bit caught up in the moment sometimes. I'd say "not to worry."
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Often, only Picard is used in these things, and I'm glad to see Sisko, of Deep Space Nine, finally being utilized. Yea, I'm a huge fan geek of Deep Space Nine.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)please spell his name correctly! It is "Sisko" - thanks. We geeks are real touchy about this as you can tell.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I used the spelling for the Cisco Kid, a very, very old western which was pre-Lone Ranger and The Rifleman!
Sisco it shall be from now on.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)I couldn't pick Glen Greenwald out of a lineup; I don't read or watch any of the talking heads. So when I say "I appreciate your apology," what I really mean is "I appreciate how hard it is to apologize on a discussion board -- it takes strength to do that," not "I'm glad you finally saw the light about Glen Greenwald."
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)I consider someone apologizing on a public website to be one of the most admirable things someone can ever do.
And like you said, whatever the DUer is apologizing about is immaterial. Its the apology in and of itself that is important.
Don
bemildred
(90,061 posts)On the internets, if you get upset, you lost.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)The rest were addressed to him. It's imperative to keep the story straight and not fall for twisted manipulations that make it look as if Greenwald made the comment.
Greenwald's sole comment was that @angryblacklady would find a way to twist no matter what ugly thing Obama did (in this case, the nun rape comment made by another tweeter) into a "justified and noble" act "to teach us about the evils of rape".
There was no joke there. Greenwald was responding to a few self-avowed "cultists" (one even bragged she'd wear a shirt that said so) and making their own point.
In Greenwald's own words
"She defends assassinations, ridicules drone killing of children - he said: there's nothing you won't defend: even THIS"
"It wasn't a joke of any kind: it was a *deadly serious point* about blind defeders of evil acts"
"It is NOT a "rape metaphor": it's a statement they they'd defend ANY evil: assassinations, child-killings: EVEN rape"
If he had joked about raping nuns, I'd be outraged. The opening he left his relentless attackers was acknowledging someone else's comment about their slavish devotion after they viciously attacked him as being a racist and had their little click retweet over 1500 times.
Refuse. To. Take. The. Bait. cause that particular twitter group is on mission against anyone who won't look the other way and they've been ramping it up for months.
The stupidity displayed in yesterday's thread wasn't yours.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)To me, you know things are getting out of hand when throwaway twitter conversations are being analyzed and put under a microscope, lol. It is getting surreal in DU regarding Greenwald.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)"out of hand" is putting it mildly.
The saddest thing is such a terrible thing still happens and it's taken seriously by people like Glenn Greenwald who fights against them everyday while others cheapen it for political point-scoring.
This particular case is well known and where I live but it's not uncommon. Watch and read this with horror. Horrifying details are in the Salon article. These things are still happening today.
"Sister Dianna Ortiz (a US citizen) speaks of her ordeal in Guatemala after she was abducted and tortured.
She identified the leader of the gang which abducted her as a fellow citizen of the US."
Torture
TUESDAY, NOV 19, 2002 11:13 AM CENTRAL AMERICA STANDARD TIME
The Blindfolds Eyes by Dianna Ortiz
An American nun who survived the torture chambers of Guatemala describes her ordeal and the fear and guilt that still haunt her.
...
Dianna Ortiz is one American whose relationship to torture is different. Thats because she was tortured in 1989, during a two-year stint in Guatemala as a young, politically unsophisticated nun from a Kentucky convent, teaching children to read in a rural province. She was abducted from a convent garden one morning by a U.S.-trained Guatemalan army captain, a police intelligence officer and their campesino torture temp, and installed in the secret basement of a police training institute called the Politecnica. (This was a regular site for torture conducted on orders of the military high command.)
They took Ortiz not because she was any kind of radical but simply because she was a garden-variety Catholic missionary working with the poor at a time when the military wanted to seriously scare the church. (Priests and nuns, human-rights workers, doctors, labor activists and randomly chosen campesinos had been tortured in Guatemala for decades, not so much to get information as to terrorize entire trades and populations.)
Ortiz was held for only 24 hours, unlike many other torture victims, whose ordeals last, incredibly, for months or even years. But those 24 hours resulted in a complete loss of memory of everything in her life prior to being tortured. She had to be reintroduced to her own parents, and she still has almost no memory of her childhood, her college years, how she became a nun, or her pre-torture friendships.
...
http://www.salon.com/2002/11/19/ortiz/
Here is the letter Sister Ortiz wrote to President Obama. Greenwald is well aware of such cases, he lives down here where we see the other side of US policy, even against our own citizens and nuns. She's not the only nun this happened to in this neck of the woods to keep our profits safe. Her letter to Obama is called "Blueprint for Accountability".
I'm grateful Greenwald won't shut up about torture, war, civil rights, etc... no matter how inconvenient the truth is. I stand with Greenwald and people like Sister Ortiz with no apologies. These aren't laughing matters, or the stuff of dishonest political points.
"She defends assassinations, ridicules drone killing of children - he said: there's nothing you won't defend: even THIS"
"It wasn't a joke of any kind: it was a *deadly serious point* about blind defeders of evil acts"
"It is NOT a "rape metaphor": it's a statement they they'd defend ANY evil: assassinations, child-killings: EVEN rape"
If he had joked about raping nuns, I'd be outraged. The opening he left his relentless attackers was acknowledging someone else's comment about their slavish devotion after they viciously attacked him as being a racist and had their little click retweet over 1500 times.
Refuse. To. Take. The. Bait. cause that particular twitter group is on mission against anyone who won't look the other way and they've been ramping it up for months.
The stupidity displayed in yesterday's thread wasn't yours.
...please! He did joke about rape, and no amount of rationalizing is going to justify it, and especially not implying that those who were appalled displayed "stupidity."
GG: No - she'd say it was justified & noble- that he only did it to teach us about the evils of rape.
Glenn Greenwald Jokes about President Obama Raping a Nun
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1002102119
TheKentuckian
(25,034 posts)when you have the power to make it happen, and have.
Hardy fucking har-har.
Sarcastic reponse to someone else's blue joke...BAD!
Your own original joke for a national TV audience based on your actual real life policy...Good and hilarious!
I'm not sure how murder from one with such authority is okay for jokes but a response to a joke about a completely farcical rape that the person telling the joke nor the person responding to it have ZERO power to actually make such a thing happen is so far beyond the pale.
I'm not seeing the logic to the case. It sounds more like thin skinned shitslinging whining and sensationalisim to me in one sided hyperpartisan and hypersensitive warfare.
The search for offense. Aka the glass house living, stone chuckers brigade.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)when you have the power to make it happen, and have.
Hardy fucking har-har.
...if you want to rationalize and justify a rape joke, laugh away!
Response to ProSense (Reply #18)
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Walk away"
...don't like the image of yourself trying to justify a rape joke?
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)in your hate-soaked mind. Best of luck in your attempt to salvage your duplicitous GG smear.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"That image exists only in your hate-soaked mind."
...I love you, I hate rape jokes.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)If so, well, excellent choice.
TheKentuckian
(25,034 posts)Occulus
(20,599 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Just another pundit ginning up controversy to get the rubes to give him money.
Funny how those on the Right are excoriated for this very same behaviour.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Yeah, I remember excoriating Bush for his WMD joke and cavalier attitude about our innocent victims. My lack of humor remains the same.
TheKentuckian
(25,034 posts)It doesn't matter what you actually do anymore, they'll make up worse, they'll twist, they will cast aspersions, they will swiftboat, they will invent out of thin air.and they will lie and use a circus mirror level of distortion.
They are very little different than those we have long opposed, it just took a while for them to get their turn at bat, apparently.
I am beyond disappointed at the caliber of much of our citizenry, I wonder if they have no line they won't cross or depth they will not sink to to protect wealth, power, and privilege of the objects of worship.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Occulus
(20,599 posts)It was meant to be over-the-top, all of it, but some of the lines went several steps too far.
Anyway, I also apologize.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)An Anti-Obama Hack
one_voice
(20,043 posts)that admits they may have made a mistake.
Thank you Odin, for doing this. I will remember you did this, and not the comment you're apologizing for.