2017...29000 Murders in Mexico!

[busterbrown]

Very Depressing Morning...

Seems like nothing but horrible news out there.



This all started for me this a.m. when I reviewed Trump's frightening Speech..
Trump suggesting that perhaps Drug Dealers Should be put to death
and calling Chuck Todd a "Sleepy Son of a Bitch"! I'm no Chuck Todd Fan!

Trump is really an evil man..mentally ill in my opinion...perhaps with some type of mental disease.

I couldn't take any more after I read that Putin's quick remark that "Jews might be responsible for the election meddling" in so many words.

Some my say.... "So just stay away from all news" Not My Style.. I feel I need to be fully informed about our country and for the most part the world.

http://time.com/5111972/mexico-murder-rate-record-2017/

[FarCenter]

1. You'd think they'd want a wall.

From 2009 to 2014, more than 70 percent of arms seized by Mexican authorities originated in the U.S., according to a congressional report. An estimated 253,000 firearms cross from the U.S. to Mexico every year. In 2017, murders with a firearm increased 35 percent.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/01/25/580239712/mexico-registers-its-highest-homicides-on-record

[busterbrown]

2. Great Point! n/t

[EX500rider]

5. Not really.. that figure gets mis-quoted frequently.

The correct figure was "70% of firearms seized by Mexican authorities that were also submitted to U.S. authorities for tracing."

That means 70% of the guns they thought came from the US were in fact from the US, guns made in China or Romania or else where would not have been submitted to the US ATF for ID. Not 70% of all firearms.

Said numbers represent only firearms Mexican authorities asked the US to trace (7,200 firearms) and that the ATF was able to trace (4,000 on file, of which 3,480 from US). US ATF Mexico City Office informed Mexican authorities ATF had eTrace data only on firearms made in or imported into the US and told them not to submit firearms that lacked US maker or US importer marks as required by US law. The guns submitted for tracing were only firearms that appeared to be US origin. The remaining guns were not submitted for tracing, or were not able to be traced. "In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico

[FarCenter]

7. The figure of 253,000 annually comes from this study

The volume of firearm crossing the U.S.-Mexican border is higher than previously assumed: 253,000 firearms
(between 106,700 and 426,729) were purchased annually to be trafficked over 2010-2012. This number is starkly
higher than the 88,000 firearms (between 35,597 and 152,142) trafficked in 1997-1999, during the federal Assault
Weapons Ban (AWB);

https://igarape.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Paper_The_Way_of_the_Gun_web2.pdf

[EX500rider]

9. The cartel mostly want full auto guns and they get those from Mexican sources:

A significant source of Mexican cartel weapons is legal sales by U.S. gun companies to the Mexican military and police, sales approved by the U.S. State Department which after they arrive in Mexico end up in cartel hands. In 2011 CBS News reported "The Mexican military recently reported nearly 9,000 police weapons "missing."" A 2009 U.S. State Department audit showed 26 percent of guns sold legally to governments in Mexico and Central America were diverted to the wrong hands.

It has been reported that there have been 150,000 desertions from the Mexican army during 2003 to 2009. Stated another way, about one-eighth of the Mexican army deserts annually.[14] Many of these deserters take their government-issued automatic rifles with them while leaving. Some of those weapons originate from the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico

[Tatiana]

3. If we start regulating guns, this will help with the deaths by firearm in Mexico.

Unfortunately, it will cut into gun manufacturers' profits, so they will oppose any modicum of regulation of firearms.

Hopefully, the Parkland massacre has moved the hearts and minds of legislators enough to stand up to the NRA.

[EX500rider]

6. Right, 'cause cartels that smuggle tons of drugs around the world couldn't smuggle firearms back in?

Unlikely it would budge the Mexican homicide rate at all.

Only about 10% of their illegal weapons are from the US if you read my above post.

Cheaper to get AK-47's from China or ex-Warsaw pact countries or buy fully auto M-16's off Army deserters.

[sandensea]

4. another grim reminder of the utter failure of the War on Drugs

Excellent find. Please consider reposting this on the Latin America forum.

[Initech]

8. And our racist shithead of an attorney general wants to escalate it.

Expect those numbers to double or triple in the next few years if he succeeds with his evil plan. At the gun and funeral industries will get nice pay days.

[sandensea]

10. Of course.

That's what that thieving little bastard gets paid to do.

He's determined to retire as rich as Rhett Butler (or, should I say, Tara).

[Initech]

11. There is no one in this administration that remotely passes for a decent person.

Not one.

[sandensea]

12. That's why big business (most of it anyway) loves'em.

They want whores and puppets, not governance or anything resembling decent people.

[crazycatlady]

13. Many are from the Mexican drug cartels

Who also put a large amount of money into the Mexican economy. Most involved with cartels are simply trying to make a living.

Watch the series Drugs Inc. on Netflix for an in depth look at some of this. It is fascinating.