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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy do so many people think it's OK for Trump to behave like a low-class, ill-mannered boor?
When I was a kid I was told in no uncertain terms that decent people did not ever insult or bully other people or call them names or make fun of them on account of their appearance or disability. If I'd been caught behaving like Trump I'd have been in serious trouble because nice people didn't say or do things like that. I am also assuming that most people, regardless of their economic or ethnic background, were brought up that way, including most Trump supporters. Were every last one of the people who cheer Trump's disgusting, insulting comments about so many people not taught basic manners by their parents? And do they discipline their own kids for rudeness, name-calling or bullying, or do they take him as an example of appropriate behavior and encourage the kids to be like him?
Why so so many people think it's OK for a grown man, the president of the United States, to behave like a bratty child? I've never seen any thing like this (and I can remember presidents back as far as Kennedy) and I don't understand why his behavior is tolerated and even encouraged.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)I think that type of behavior is typical of fascists etc.
Roy Rolling
(6,943 posts)I remember in 1960 my deeply-southern neighborhood kids singing
"Whistle while you work,
Kennedy's a jerk,
Vote for Nixon
He will fix him
Whistle while you work."
I first wondered why kids don't go to jail for that. It was beyond comprehension for a 6-year old to understand freedom of speech. But I understood instinctively you don't call adults a jerk, especially President Kennedy.
Think of it. A 6-year old in 1960 is smarter than an adult Trump supporter of today. And just maybe, smarter than Trump himself.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)"Whistle while you work, Nixon is a jerk, Mussolini's got no weenie, whistle while you work"
What do you expect from 7 year old kids?
Although we still knew that Nixon was bad news!
phylny
(8,393 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 12, 2018, 06:44 PM - Edit history (1)
Whistle while you work
Hitler is a jerk
Mussolini bit his weenie
Now it doesnt squirt
Cant believe I remembered thise and typed it.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Whistle while you work
Hitler is a jerk
Mussolini bent his weenie
Now it doesnt work
I like yours better.
Great big gobs of mangulated monkey meat
Dirty birdie stinky feet...
I can't believe we can remember those bits of doggerel!
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)A classmate on the school bus whose parents supported Nixon making fun of protestors etc. he did the peace sign or something, lol. I cant remember it very well now. I told him off. Crazy times. Im sure your way smarter then 🍊💩. 😊
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,767 posts)Why?
He validates them, their "thinking," and their behavior.
There may be other reasons, but this is what comes to my mind.
kacekwl
(7,025 posts)manners and being civil equates "political correctness" which is now apparently not acceptable.
Ohiogal
(32,158 posts)What we were always taught as "manners" they see as being "too PC"
I too don't understand how vulgarity, bullying, and cruel insulting has become acceptable behavior now.
Different Drummer
(7,670 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)calling us snowflakes for being unable to handle racism and assholiness
the problem is non asshole americans ignore the carnival barking assholes on 1500 radio stations making excuses for assholes and racists and misogynists and ignorance
Alpeduez21
(1,759 posts)and see the snowflake in them come out. Look at the reaction to Hillary calling them deplorable. She was right and should've doubled down on that.
certainot
(9,090 posts)they can take anything like 'deplorable' out of context and use it any way they want and keep repeating the meme on those stations, or ones they make up, until the media is using it the way they want.
they can create made-to-order constituencies for anything they want - suddenly there are millions who think she's calling all republican voters stupid nosepickers. that may be proven now but....
the fact is that while 300 radio blowhards rail against 'political correctness' they are the biggest political correctness cop force the country has ever seen, with limbaugh at the top
old guy
(3,284 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,767 posts)Larrybanal
(227 posts)they see themselves in trumps boorish glory
TNNurse
(6,931 posts)True Blue American
(17,995 posts)They think but do not have the guts to say. They love Reality Shows.
bdamomma
(63,955 posts)the dumbing down of America has been in full force.
I heard that those who voted for Trump felt like they knew him by watching his freaking show the Apprentice, that is rather sad and sick.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Folks tend towards that that they feel most comfortable with. If one's stupid, they feel a kinship with other stupids!
wishstar
(5,272 posts)His nasty rudeness and threats such as "lock her up" should not be tolerated. But as we saw in the campaign, too many in media and the public dismiss it as if he is just conducting is an entertaining train wreck reality show.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)that point being, if a Democrat did these same things their "moral outrage" would be off the charts. You know, the old IOKIYAR.
barbtries
(28,817 posts)nope. it's a thing.
what cracked me up was hearing Sam Nunberg saying the exact opposite during his shit show last week. republicans are so inside out. if they get called on their bad acts it's unfair. they put Hillary through SO MUCH over nothing and to this day they wonder why she's not in prison. the investigations played out and there was nothing there! Mueller's already got 4 guilty pleas and what, 15 indictments?! That is not nothing, and it definitely is not anything Hillary did.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)And they've spent over $120 million investigating the Clintons, like you say, for anything, and they haven't made one charge stick. Mueller has spent less than 10% of that and they're squawking like a bunch of parrots about how much it's costing the country. They're OK with Cadet BoneSpurs' military parade though. That's money "well spent".
barbtries
(28,817 posts)all i can think of is Colonel Cathcart. i had to google to remember his name!
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Great book. And yes, Cathcart and Trump are almost interchangeable, but Trump is much more repulsive. Yossarian might not think so, but they're all fictional characters anyway.
barbtries
(28,817 posts)the book i decided i would have with me if i got stuck on an island and was only allowed one book.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)It would certainly keep your spirits up! The absurdity of your situation would almost demand it.
dalton99a
(81,683 posts)Commodus raised the ire of many military officials in Rome for his Hercules persona in the arena. Often, wounded soldiers and amputees would be placed in the arena for Commodus to slay with a sword. Citizens of Rome missing their feet through accident or illness were taken to the arena, where they were tethered together for Commodus to club to death while pretending they were giants.
Commodus was also known for fighting exotic animals in the arena, often to the horror of the Roman people. According to Gibbon, Commodus once killed 100 lions in a single day. Later, he decapitated a running ostrich with a specially designed dart and afterwards carried the bleeding head of the dead bird and his sword over to the section where the Senators sat and gesticulated as though they were next. Dio notes that the targeted senators actually found this more ridiculous than frightening, and chewed on laurel leaves to conceal their laughter. On another occasion, Commodus killed three elephants on the floor of the arena by himself. Finally, Commodus killed a giraffe, which was considered to be a strange and helpless beast.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodus
Igel
(35,385 posts)A lot of people have never held to "old fashioned" norms for discourse and decorum.
The old standards are falling. The new standards are repugnant to those who liked the old ones.
enough
(13,268 posts)basic manners I learned at home were seen as snobbish, that kids thought I was putting on airs, and that meant I thought I was better than them. I figured out how to blend in without being overtly mean and rude, and I got through the rest of school without being totally ostracized.
I think peoples love for Trumps boorishness is connected to that. They think people who act conventionally polite and civilized are acting out of a feeling of superiority. Trumps bad manners signal to them that he doesnt think hes superior. Which is ironic, given that he thinks hes superior to everybody.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am dismayed by the lack of basic manners of people these days. It seems like many people see manners as a sign of weakness and not just a polite way to interact with other members of society.
malaise
(269,260 posts)That is my question
AdamGG
(1,298 posts)Even if it's Trump haters gawking at a car crash, they're drawing more viewers by covering the Trump rallies than they would with something else. That's the sad fact of it.
Arkansas Granny
(31,539 posts)he's "one of them". That makes me think that they behave in the same way, or wish they could.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,673 posts)He says the awful things they wish they could say and does things they wish they do. Being a decent person used to mean treat others as you'd like to be treated. Nowadays it's called political correctness run amok.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)He didn't "create" the current landscape.
He just gave his followers the belief that it was "OK" to say what they've been taught to keep under wraps.
Remember, he is famous for saying he created the "birther" thing because he knew there was a segment of society stupid enough to believe it.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)ananda
(28,893 posts)Politicians don't seem to have a real handle on the
stark reality we are facing.
It's all euphemized.
tblue37
(65,527 posts)as being right wing.
BigmanPigman
(51,649 posts)They are acting the same way they did in 2016. They would show an empty stage and podium for 20 min waiting for the moron to appear. Meanwhile no one ever asked Hillary about the real issues that the wanted to discuss. We may as throw in the towel as far as winning in the midterms if they keep this shit up. Fux Ruse wouldn't have shown Obama at a Dem rally for over an hour right before an election. Ratings and $$$$ for the so-called liberal media.
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onecaliberal
(32,978 posts)To keep small children out of the room when he speaks.
BigmanPigman
(51,649 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,033 posts)Mopar151
(10,006 posts)About half of those little shits grew up snickering at their parents and teachers, because of hypocrisy, tribalisim, and the usual suspects. Instead, they picked up a narrative of the Dukes of Hazzard, Kid Rock, and rollin' coal, they regard racisim as a reliable means of getting a rise out of " uncool " (i.e. different from them) people.
moondust
(20,022 posts)Believe me.
At this point what's left of his base is nothing more than a cult of sleazy bigots and pigs.
rock
(13,218 posts)naturally think that those traits are OK?
sheshe2
(84,009 posts)Cha
(297,940 posts)sheshe2
(84,009 posts)That is not us and will use my vote to tell them so.
Alpeduez21
(1,759 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)What's not for them to like?
🤤🤧
Paladin
(28,282 posts)According to Maher (and his creepy guest Bari Weiss), trump and his thuggish behavior are all the fault of liberals---because we insisted on being too "politically correct."
Every time I decide to cut Maher some slack and pay attention to what he's saying, he lays shit like that on me. One of these days I'll learn. Oh, and by the way: to hell with Bari Weiss, David Brooks, and the rest of the NYT apologists for trump's goony followers.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)I could see where he was headed, and the guest list was also a negative.
In general, if he has Bari Weiss on, I will not watch. She is one of the worst.
Paladin
(28,282 posts)Erick Erickson isn't quite the horse's ass I expected him to be. Oh, he's a right-wing mouthpiece, no doubt---but he doesn't like trump at all.
Come to think of it, the opening discussion with Kathy Griffith was pretty good---glad to hear she's getting concert hall appearances again.
So it would have been a passable show---if Bari Weiss hadn't been there to aid and abet yet another of Maher's anti-liberal rants.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)In his campaign rally yesterday, while he was bragging about being a bloviating boor, someone shouted, Youre one of us!
Which kind of explains everything. Like with Bush and Gore, the American people once again identified the most qualified candidate and were then promptly outvoted in electoral vote by people who preferred someone they could drink a beer with over competence.
I dont get it, Ive never understood it, but thats apparently how many people feel.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...but especially okay for a rich white man to do so. He does what they don't quite dare to do, and gets away with it.
world wide wally
(21,758 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)JHB
(37,164 posts)Because it pisses off liberals, and that brings a smile to their face. Thats what counts most, in their view.
renate
(13,776 posts)Exactly!
If Obama had behaved this way, they wouldn't like it. So it's not as simplistic as their liking rude behavior, or being asswipes or uncivilized or anything like that. IMHO, it's mainly that they love pissing off liberals... the people who don't want to take away their food stamps or health insurance or consumer and worker protections, but whatever.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Skittles
(153,262 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,406 posts)They treated their own people OK; but there were 'others' who could be scapegoats, bogeymen and so on. When Trump picks on one of them, they form a bond with him.
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)were discussing this today. As loathsome as it is to see and hear Twitler spewing his deranged nonsense, it is even more disturbing to see and hear all the idiots behind him laughing and cheering, supporting and encouraging the venom. So these inbreds would be perfectly OK if it were their child being bullied, or doing the bullying, or if they themselves were being harassed or bullied by someone bigger, meaner, smarter.
It is scary.
MBS
(9,688 posts)GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)supporters cheering and applauding his lies, arrogance and verbal toxicity, I am reminded of the quote by British philosopher John Stuart Mill-
"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives."
Fritz Walter
(4,292 posts)Cadet Bone Spurs (or Barking Yam, if you prefer) adeptly plays to the fears of Cult 45: Conservative Old White Guy/Gals Impotently Raging, Losing Status. {COWGIRLS}.
His campaign handlers recognized how scared these people are how they once erroneously perceived they were in control and in charge of their lives. The election of Barack Obama to POTUS, not once but twice, sent a serious chill down their reptilian spines. And the GOP responded according: All hands to battle stations!
But as happened in the Frankenstein story, or the saga of the Golem of Prague, the creators lost control of their monster, and the rest of us get to deal with the consequences.
Today, the fearful sheeple are willing to forgive Cheetolini of anything and everything as long as he allays their fears, and continues to fuel their belief that he is their lord and savior, delivering them from a 21st Century paradigm where they are not on top. As if they ever were, (perhaps their ancestors were at one time or another, but them? Not so much.)
Parallels to Germany in the 1930s are well documented elsewhere here on DU. Scarily.
GET
OUT
THE
VOTE
Now, more than ever before!
Buns_of_Fire
(17,210 posts)...in other words, let him go ahead and act like a low-class, ill-mannered boor -- which he is. Just like them.
FakeNoose
(32,864 posts)... who no longer works for Cheeto. I guess there are a lot of good reasons for that.
ProfessorGAC
(65,350 posts)A drone from his PAC that droned about this was what people liked, completely ignoring that 62% don't like it!
They're about THEM! That's it. The fact they're wrong and 5 out of 8 know is completely irrelevant to them. Facts don't matter!
bucolic_frolic
(43,456 posts)to the deplorables because he's rich. That's all.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I have a family member who's been dealing with him on and off since at least the early 90s (I was in 5th grade when I first heard the name). The first thing I remember about him is an anti Semitic comment).
Throughout the years, I've heard many stories about Trump's whiny behavior. The man you see on TV is very similar to the true Trump.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,963 posts)now that he's not just some louche playboy-wannabe real estate developer?
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I initially thought his candidacy and behavior was going to be a flash in the pan novelty type candidate and drop out long before the first primary. I mean in any other year he did things that would have been deemed unacceptable (talking about the size of his dick during a presidential debate).
I grew up seeing double standards and how some people got away with things others would not (good example is the popular kids at school getting away with bullying. Also see the phrase 'boys will be boys.'). As an adult I saw the same thing in the workplace. To me, Trump's just one of those people.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)magicarpet
(14,202 posts).... blurt out the first thing that comes to mind. Rude, crude, hateful, hurtful all register extra points. A reality show pResidential Oval Office where insults and childish nicknames rule the roost and garner utmost admiration and respect.
tRunp's voting supporters and political base eats up this vomit by their leader and screams and cheers for more.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,963 posts)I'm just having a lot of trouble understanding how someone could cheer any politician who speaks with such vulgarity and viciousness toward others - other politicians, media people, celebrities, anyone who disagrees with him. If I ever heard a Democratic politician or any candidate for office speak the way Trump does, I would lose all respect for them. Tough criticism is one thing, but calling people things like "low I.Q." or "son of a bitch" is so far beyond the pale I don't understand how it can be tolerated, let alone cheered. And I know many of these people can't have been brought up that way. Some of Trump's most ardent defenders are Southerners, and the South has a tradition of good manners. Their mothers would have washed their mouths out with laundry soap if some of those #MAGA-hat-wearing good ol' boys talked that kind of trash in front of them.
And don't get me started on hush money for porn stars. Remember when Bill Clinton was nearly drawn and quartered for his dalliance with Monica Lewinski? It was all "What will we tell the children?" I'd like to know how the GOPers are explaining their nasty, adulterous, potty-mouthed president to their children these days.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I think most of us on DU would call him stupid, childish, boorish, insensitive, totally un-presidential, and bullying instead. However, I've seen interviews with voters who admire his "strength" and "straight talk". More like over compensating for his weaknesses and more like a narcissistic psychopath's attempts to BS.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)Initech
(100,132 posts)Which is why they wear the deplorable badge with pride.
Butterflylady
(3,555 posts)mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)I had a boss tell me she thought Bill Clinton was "creepy." Yep, she voted for trump.
I think we've always been pretty uncivil, after all we only just ended apartheid in my lifetime. Women have been voting for less than 100 years. We've been a male dominated society since inception and, sorry guys, that does not make for a compassionate or progressive country.
I don't hate men, far from it. There are more good ones around than bad, and thank goodness for that or we'd all be dead. We're in a mess, and men are in charge, that's all I'm saying.
LuvLoogie
(7,067 posts)I don't ask why anymore. I just tell them to fuck off.
hatrack
(59,601 posts)A friend of mine said something years ago which pretty much nailed it: "The majority of people I work with and know stopped growing emotionally in about eighth grade."
Plenty of us work to get beyond our junior-high selves. Many of us don't.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,892 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Everything else is merely a bonus
leftyladyfrommo
(18,874 posts)He makes it ok for them to act like that, too. He thinks like they
do and acts like they do.
stopbush
(24,398 posts)isnt a nice person.
Thats his way of connecting to the mild language that nice people use in polite company.
His knuckle-dragging supporters buy into it, and think that tRump is a nice person.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)That will tell you how many think it's OK to ask like a first class asshole. The Deplorable ones like the spectacles of the KKKon man's show. They are to friggin stupid to realize what he has and is doing to America, the kids, laws and life.
Kablooie
(18,645 posts)What kind of magic spell does he hold over his drooling followers?
It's sure something for sociologists to study in coming decades.
mchill
(1,020 posts)I can't explain it. I'm very very disappointed in the human race right now.
P.S. I never understood "100" being the average IQ. That seemed very low. I get it now.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)This (TRUMP-ism) is accepted because it is the end result of the devolution of American society and political discourse. It has its roots in anti-intellectualism and has been helped along immensely by right-wing media. But this is who we are now. Welcome to the new America, which really isn't completely new.
janx
(24,128 posts)not all of American society has succumbed to this kind of pop culture, even after 30 years. Trump just happens to contain just about everything it is made up of (and little else).
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)It's a big country, and there are still a lot of good people out there. Examples are many, but a few that come to mind are the existence of sanctuary cities where people have realized and codified the FACT that this is largely a nation of immigrants, the recent outcry from our youth against gun violence, and the fact that there are still universities (the University of Wisconsin no longer being an example) where the search for truth and enlightenment continues mostly unabated by right-wing anti-intellectual political forces.
But the dominant social movement in this country at this moment in time is TRUMP-ism, which is really just a particularly virulent strain of nativism/ white nationalism that would not look out of place in 1930's Germany.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)Apologies to true and original dingbats worldwide.
askyagerz
(776 posts)Coming from a white man who grew up in a rural community. I witnessed this behavior all my life growing up with 5 much older brothers and all of their idiot friends. They stay ignorant because it's easier then having a conscious while they're whooping it up with their buddies. Degrading people that will never impact their lives in any way.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,963 posts)among politicians and other public figures until now. It's one thing for some good ol' boy to sit on the bumper of his rusty pickup and trash-talk his neighbors while crushing a beer can with one hand and scratching his junk with the other. People have always wanted some cultural connection with their elected officials but at the same time they expected them to have at least a little class. It used to be that people wanted to look up to their leaders; now it seems like they want them wallowing in the mud right along with them.
askyagerz
(776 posts)They just don't give a crap society. Can only see what's right in front of them and lack empathy because they they are pissed they aren't living the dream.
A perfect example is my brothers and I. Same parents but I came along later and was raised more by my tolerant mom then my racist dad. They all have completely different world views then me.
Plus I know a lot of people who were raised with two rotten parents. They never had a chance growing up hearing hate everyday. There is a underbelly of society that will despise anything that can be construed to make it someone else's problem. They now have a leader and therefore a megaphone to scream about their twisted theories. They've always been there. It's just now they are standing in front of us beating their chests.
CanonRay
(14,132 posts)deplorable now deride as being PC.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)Vilify your opponent tribe...ridicule them...paint them as weak and your tribe as strong...
It's the same as sports teams intimidating the opponent..."IN YOUR FACE!"
I honestly don't know how we change it except to defeat Trump and all who give him power...
Not optimistic
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,963 posts)but there was at least a veneer of civility in public even while they were sticking shivs in each others' backs. The level of crudeness and overt viciousness is something I've never seen before since I started paying attention to politics in the '60s.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)...and I too have never seen it like this...
Trump unleashed something that was always underground...never brought up in public...
I still think the elections (2) of Obama had a lot to do with it...the nastiness started to bubble up in the form of racism and then...
well....
...Trump opened the gates of hell.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)I think it is like you proposed, always in the background under the veneer of civility...
What happened, I think, is that somehow the signal was sent that crudeness and viciousness was "what the people wanted" and the politicians were more than willing to give it to them.
SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)lark
(23,190 posts)Sadly most have not, which says something scary about 36(?)% of voting age folks.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)To them the educated, well spoken Democrat is an elitist snob who looks down on them or wants to patronize them.
dawg
(10,626 posts)They're just too damned poor, and/or dependent on others, to get away with it themselves.
Historic NY
(37,458 posts)the reason he was sent off to the Jr. military school a couple miles from my house. The should have sent him to the ones run by nuns.
Niagara
(7,727 posts)Sadly, these bad behavior examples from PINO and his supporters are exactly what HRC was referring to when she made the basket of deplorables statement. She ...and obviously the rest of us on DU have the intelligence to recognize this awful behavior for what it is. I actually cringed when she said it but she nailed it.
KatyaR
(3,447 posts)Every time they see him, or he says something stupid, they're reminded that he SAVED them from Hillary. They think that's hilarious.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)Things are different now
Nitram
(22,949 posts)criticized Obama for stuff like wearing a khaki jacket, and his wife for wearing a sleeveless dress. And now they are defending this ill-mannered hoodlum?
Civic Justice
(870 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:47 PM - Edit history (1)
Many of the Trump supporters are of the mindset and many are offspring's of people, who lived before, who relished the idea of "talking down to people", "belittling others", and "bully talk" and "fake bravado" and "racist denigration of others"... this was something relished and something people took pride in being and doing, for centuries and decades. There are today many of such peoples offspring's who live today, who think this to be the symbol and manner of strength, they think this is the manner and ideals of deluding themselves to think they are superior.
If one looks back at the history in America, it will be acknowledge these same types had no regard for the rule of law, because they were "given a pass" for such vile, bigotry and malice minded actions and conduct and given a pass by the law enforcement of the times. This is the "ideology passed along from one generation to the next".
We now see it again exposed within the Trump core supporters and his administration, and it is not unlike what was seen in those who promoted race based bigotry, monetary bigotry, and those who spun in the ignorance and bigotry pre Civil Rights Acts of 1964, we saw the same in the fight for voting rights. We see it still in the Republican aims of gerrymandering, and we see it in the vile of attacks upon public programs and things that assist and help American people.
The old George Wallace ideals: Of attacking Civil Rights aims, and claiming that they would never support the idea of minority people, gaining and utilizing any benefits of tax supported programs. they did not care how many poor whites such acts damaged, they only cared to promote a denial of any thing(s) that might respect, regard and include american freedoms to minorities. Sadly, these people of Right Wing Ideology have not changed, and their ancestry too great pains to drill into them this mentality of such vile.
We can't have selective amnesia, and not see the connections of where this came from, and how it has been passed among generations to be and do things that promote the same remake of those who relished the idea of "talking down to people", "belittling others", and "bully talk" and "fake bravado" and "racist denigration of others"... These types never embraced the values of Civil Rights, and they certainly did not invest themselves to respect "equality of social and civic integration".
Therefore, when they saw and heard Trump... he espoused everything they have been taught and what has been passed down to them from generations who came before them.
For the sake of the madness of relishing the idea of "talking down to people", "belittling others", and "bully talk" and "fake bravado" and "racist denigration of others"... and having no regard for the law, and living as if the laws does not apply to them, as they are of the mindset that such things make them superior unto others, who have not their skin color or look like themselves. It is not difficult to see and know how these groups came to be, and why they continue to exist. They segregate themselves and pass this madness among their young, and among each other.
There is a site (CD) where they pump each other up with this madness, no level of truths will they acknowledge, they live with selective amnesia about all things that represent the vile of their past, they own nothing of responsibility of what the Right Wing Ideology has done to continually bring this nation down, economically, socially, and within civic processes.
We saw that vividly, when they failed to own up to the mess of us being embroiled in wars that resulted to destabilize the middle east and wreak economic havoc that spanned the globule, and nearly crashed the American Economy. They pushed the madness about Benghazi, in aim to smear Hillary, and deluded the public, and once it was exposed that Republican were the responsible party to have funded and supported additional security, they became silent. As if the rest of us, would not see the malice they engaged and the vile of their intentions in doing so.
We see them whine and cry about being "left behind", when they were the elements that promoted the acts that led to the exodus of industry away from America. Their hatefulness and disdain for "Equality among American Citizens" driven by their aims to bust unions and any act to deny economic opportunity to minorities and women in equal portion.
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(((( Part of the Issue during Jim Crow America, it was "white people" (NOT ALL) who detested the thought of black people getting "EQUAL" and certainly they did not want to see minorities of any ethnicity of non white people, get any portion of benefits and services. These same white people, if they are still alive, now face the exact same thing they tried to deny to minority black people. BECAUSE degree riding companies executives realized, if they can have a mass of white people standing up to deny minority black people benefits and services and progressive pay, then the Corporations figured they could use the same ideology to deny the exact same things to white people, and they used the law of equality to justify doing so, against the same white people who tried to promote denying minorities, it was used to deny the same things to working white people and poor white people. They knew the working poor and dire poor white would never figure out, the resulting outcome is had been duped and made subjects unto the same aims they sought to use to deny minorities, equal civil and civic lives and to deny economic equilibrium opportunities.
The problem in American is the Right Wing white people never figured it out, they were happy they could get a line of credit and some credit cards and a new car on credit, and they lived "in perpetual credit debt".. When the jobs dried up and were outsourced, they found the conditions they live and are subjected to declines year by year... They got the exact same things they "wished upon minority black people" and many still have not or can't figure it out. "They did it to themselves, by trying to doing wrong things to minority black people.
NOW - They "whine" I've been left behind. When it is documented facts: that is recorded history which denotes their own attitude, mentality and disposition of bias and bigotry, which put them behind.
It's not hard to see these things, when one looks at the big picture.
The bible has long ago and still tells man..
"He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. Psalm 7:15
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The reality of these things.. people don't want to face up to... but .. NONE of this stuff happened by accident... and no nation came and carted away American industry, it was 'Americans who carted away the industry, and thought it could survive by well to do white people in roles as those who could afford university cost, to be people who could just shuffle paper and control the wealth gathering aims, while turning minorities and poor white people into nothing more than 'servant class citizens, with minimum wage ', That's the closest they could in trying to recreate slavery like scenarios by the use of foreign people on foreign lands, and trying to create indenture among American poor whites and minorities, by using people on foreign shores as slave labor, for less than it cost to house and feed a slave in America, and the working poor whites and blacks, being paid no more than an indentured servant, so they could their credit debt on monthly installments. When they could no longer make those payments, "the collection agencies come and take everything back".
This is much to do as a result from a nation that detested the ideal of equality, and resent the fact that slavery was outlawed.
Trump seized upon the same ignorance that the Confederacy used over the long span of time. The only difference is the Confederates never ceases the war aims, they simply too the War INSIDE Congress, and have been waging battles every since. It's evident in the Republican Agenda, and visible in the havoc they have engaged for more than 150+ plus yeas against the Democracy of America. They long ago, switched from the Southern Democrat who were supporters of Confederate Ideals, and they took over the Republican Party, hoping to dupe the people, when fact is the Republican Party does not represent the values of Lincoln. Today, its the Democratic Party that Represents the Freedoms that Lincoln stood to promote. What the Confederate idealist did not count on, was the fact the Liberal minded would see through the ruse attempt, AND, the liberal minded people moved into the Democratic Party and made it the Party that Support the Civil and Civic Humanity and Equal Right for and of American People and this Society. It is important for people to know this, and not be deluded by Republican claiming to be the party of Lincoln, Republican are the party that desecrates the freedoms Lincoln promoted in the freedom of people. and insult the principles of Lincolns freedom goals for society.
When people become aware, and know the vile and deceptions of what is evident in present day Republican System and Its Ideology, then its easy to see, that such evilness has no limits. We've watched them go before congress and lie, deny and claim they can't remember, and seek to violate every ethic that made this nation great. We've seen them accept vile, belligerence, and madness of every sort within Trump and his Administration, and they stand in support of it, without a regard for civility and ethics. We've seen the so called moral Evangelicals, not only sit silent, but endorse and support this madness, with no thought of the moral violation engaged and uttered by Trump on a incessant basis.
We see them sit and support the malice'd use of technology's social media, to push distraction and contentions, on a daily basis, and moving about standing on stages seen by the world, pushing a vile that does not represent American values, nor uphold the integrity and dignity of the liberal and democracy respecting people who believe in the Democratic process of this nation.
We have to be willing to see, and learn well how to look that we may be able to see... and the vile of it all is visible.
We have a choice... that is to get out and "Vote" and remove the Republican from their seats in congress and cease their destructive aspirations against the American people and this Democracy. We have no time to second guess that necessity, we have to be aware and not distracted and led by distraction tactics, and stay focused on the values of this Democracy that we aspire to uphold and move into the future. Each person, must speak with all who they know, who supports the basic and premise of Democracy, and respect the Multicultural Reality of America as a Democracy, and inspire them to speak to all they know.. to remove this vile from the system and administration of this nation.
The self centered greed preaching that is the core of Trumps mentality, must not be allowed to infect any more of the American masses. We are a nation that builds and grows by and through unity and the respect of equality of all American people and respect those who have passions to be and become Americans and honor and join in our Democracy.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,963 posts)Most of the people I know who voted for Trump (admittedly, that isn't many) are not rude, insulting, boorish people. They are polite, don't often use bad language and have taught their kids good manners. Therefore I can't assume all Trump voters are mean, swinish churls like he is, but for some reason his behavior is tolerated if not copied. I do not understand why anyone who thinks civil behavior is important would tolerate Trump - and yet they do, even if they don't behave like him.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)to be one way but are actually another.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Is this OK now ? All the young women seemed to love it too but they at least were adults . The kid was about 10-12. Am I weird becuz I would not like someone talking like that casually around my kids?
DownriverDem
(6,235 posts)comes across as low class with no regarding for decorum just like his voters.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)this is the level that the Repukes will stoop to in order to further their agenda of corporate plutocracy.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)Yavin4
(35,453 posts)The hetero, Christian, White male identity has to be dominant in their minds even if that means that ill-mannered, foul-mouth, incompetents reign supreme.
Amaryllis
(9,526 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,963 posts)bigoted asshole of a hate radio ranter - even if the personalities and attitudes are the same.
Jspur
(578 posts)desperate to see a republican win the presidency that they were willing to win at all costs. I think a lot of his supporters would not normally approve of a politician cursing or swearing but because he's a republican they give him a pass. They have simply sold their soul just for the purpose of winning.
TryingNot2Freak
(19 posts)joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,769 posts)That's where we're headed.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Made public disrespect mainstream...
CrispyQ
(36,556 posts)People learned that if they behaved loudly & badly they could get attentionmaybe even make money.
As for Trump's appeal, I think there is a contingent of people who would like to be able to do & say whatever they want without any consequenceskind of like Trump's life before the presidency. His money got him out of all sorts of trouble his mouth got him into. These people would like that in their own lives.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)1) Someone after the election (dont remember if on the left or right) was talking about the concept of what offends me v what affects me, and that there are apparently a lot of voters who just dont really care what comes out of someones mouth. They might even admit its offensive, but wont change their vote if they dont feel it actually AFFECTS them. This is true on both sides of the aisle, we just havent seen it from Democrats for a long time. Many were offended by Bill Clintons treatment of women, including his own wife, but werent going to change their vote because those actions in President Clintons personal life didnt AFFECT them, and his actions as President (mostly good) actually DID affect them.
2) People are sick of the status quo, so any change (even empty promises of change), are enticing.
barbtries
(28,817 posts)as a nation, we are sick. up to 40% of us put this horrific excuse for a human being above any previous faiths or values they every held. i can't explain why it happened, but i blame republicans.
Alpeduez21
(1,759 posts)and the republican party loves it some racism.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)A lot of Americans, mostly right wing, but also self described left wing, want to be a loud, rich a**hole who gets all the women he wants, and all the praises, regardless of the fact they deserve crap. We jnow who the right wingers are..as far as the left,mm anytime you hear somethhing like "woman are exculding us" or "we need to focus on da white workin calls", you have a chance of seeing them.
C_U_L8R
(45,033 posts)except now we just have one big orange Stooge.
My guess is some people like having a Stooge for President because it makes them feel better about their own inadequacies. Or perhaps his hate-filled performance in some way justifies their own intolerances. Maybe they believe he's actually really rich and they want to be rich too and have come to believe that's the way you get to be rich and that's the way rich people act. ???
Yavin4
(35,453 posts)They are "low-class, ill-mannered boors", and the fact that he's "rich" proves to them that you can be rich and be an asshole.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)The media still mostly treats Donnie as a reality TV celebrity loudmouth instead of the current holder of the highest office in the land...
If Trump ever got the scrutiny even average politicians get, he never would have been elected...
SeattleVet
(5,481 posts)If anyone on the sane side of the aisle did anything even remotely approaching a millionth of what he's done they would be screaming their dang fool heads off.