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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,963 posts)
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:07 PM Mar 2018

Why do so many people think it's OK for Trump to behave like a low-class, ill-mannered boor?

When I was a kid I was told in no uncertain terms that decent people did not ever insult or bully other people or call them names or make fun of them on account of their appearance or disability. If I'd been caught behaving like Trump I'd have been in serious trouble because nice people didn't say or do things like that. I am also assuming that most people, regardless of their economic or ethnic background, were brought up that way, including most Trump supporters. Were every last one of the people who cheer Trump's disgusting, insulting comments about so many people not taught basic manners by their parents? And do they discipline their own kids for rudeness, name-calling or bullying, or do they take him as an example of appropriate behavior and encourage the kids to be like him?

Why so so many people think it's OK for a grown man, the president of the United States, to behave like a bratty child? I've never seen any thing like this (and I can remember presidents back as far as Kennedy) and I don't understand why his behavior is tolerated and even encouraged.

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Why do so many people think it's OK for Trump to behave like a low-class, ill-mannered boor? (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 OP
Good question Meowmee Mar 2018 #1
Same here Roy Rolling Mar 2018 #33
We had something similar when I was a kid but it went like this... smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #68
Ok, *I* remember phylny Mar 2018 #123
I remember it as- dawg day Mar 2018 #136
I remember Meowmee Mar 2018 #116
I suspect the people who voted for him think it's OK for him to behave badly. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2018 #2
They have been told by trump,faux etc. that having kacekwl Mar 2018 #41
Yes kacekwl Ohiogal Mar 2018 #47
This. n/t Different Drummer Mar 2018 #90
exactly. turn on any republican talk radio station and hear the excuses and certainot Mar 2018 #95
but call them racist or assholes Alpeduez21 Mar 2018 #127
imo, as long as democrats ignore rw radio it doesn't matter much what dems say certainot Mar 2018 #131
I believe you have the answer. old guy Mar 2018 #51
Thank you, old guy! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2018 #54
exactly Larrybanal Mar 2018 #58
EXACTLY TNNurse Mar 2018 #60
Trump is saying the things True Blue American Mar 2018 #61
TV has alot to do with it bdamomma Mar 2018 #99
It really IS that simple! Plucketeer Mar 2018 #88
A shame his suppporters and much of media are normalizing outrageous lying, bullying, insulting wishstar Mar 2018 #3
To a point.... SergeStorms Mar 2018 #77
yeah i used to think that was just a phrase. barbtries Mar 2018 #122
Yep! SergeStorms Mar 2018 #124
every time i think of this stupid parade barbtries Mar 2018 #125
Catch 22. SergeStorms Mar 2018 #139
yep barbtries Mar 2018 #140
Excellent choice! SergeStorms Mar 2018 #141
He's the 21st-century American version of Commodus dalton99a Mar 2018 #4
Popularization of discourse. Igel Mar 2018 #5
When I was in elementary school in a rural area in the 1950s, I discovered that the enough Mar 2018 #6
I think you are on to something. smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #72
WHy is M$Greedia covering this shit? malaise Mar 2018 #7
Purely for the ratings AdamGG Mar 2018 #67
From what I've seen and heard, most of his supporters think Arkansas Granny Mar 2018 #8
They're living vicariously through him MustLoveBeagles Mar 2018 #9
You've probably nailed it. Miles Archer Mar 2018 #102
Well stated . The deplorables also believe they are the decent ones by acting that way. lunasun Mar 2018 #107
The rightwing media just talks on as if all this were... normal. ananda Mar 2018 #10
Unfortunately, the MSM does, too, not just the media that are openly acknowledged tblue37 Mar 2018 #27
I called MSNBC and CNN to complain. BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #62
I did as well. Its to the point that they need a warning onecaliberal Mar 2018 #78
Yeah!!! Good for you! BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #80
projection. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2018 #11
Worst case of arrested development ever seen... Mopar151 Mar 2018 #12
Name-calling is very Presidential. moondust Mar 2018 #13
Could it be because low-class, ill-mannered boors rock Mar 2018 #14
Exactly what I was going to post, rock. nt sheshe2 Mar 2018 #19
Yeah, and we're suppose to respect Cha Mar 2018 #108
A dark and twisted version of America. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #109
YES YES YES!!!! Alpeduez21 Mar 2018 #129
They see themselves in him. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #70
Didn't you see Bill Maher's latest show? Paladin Mar 2018 #15
I turned it off after the opening monologue Blecht Mar 2018 #30
I'll tell you the only revelation of the show: Paladin Mar 2018 #45
Youre one of us Nevernose Mar 2018 #16
They think it should okay for white people to behave that way... Orsino Mar 2018 #17
Ignorance is strength? world wide wally Mar 2018 #18
Double plus good! Gabi Hayes Mar 2018 #44
The politics of the middle finger. JHB Mar 2018 #20
"because it pisses off liberals" renate Mar 2018 #49
They like it, and want to believe they'd act the same in his position. Hoyt Mar 2018 #21
because they are sick fucks Skittles Mar 2018 #22
Too many of them were brought up to have exceptions to whom should be treated decently muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #23
My spouse and I GallopingGhost Mar 2018 #24
I'm with you and your spouse. n/t MBS Mar 2018 #31
When I see his GallopingGhost Mar 2018 #113
One word: FEAR Fritz Walter Mar 2018 #25
I keep hearing "let Trump be Trump" from the more rabid RWNJs... Buns_of_Fire Mar 2018 #26
They got that from Steve Bannon FakeNoose Mar 2018 #93
There Was A Moron On CSPAN WJ This Morning ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #28
Trump is actually on a very high plain bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #29
Trump's always been this way crazycatlady Mar 2018 #32
Everybody knows that. The question is, why is his behavior tolerated The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #38
TBH I'm surprised that he got past the primary crazycatlady Mar 2018 #46
Because he'll appoint the judges that they want. nt DesertRat Mar 2018 #34
Because half of them or more behave the same way. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #35
Off the cuff comments, no holding back... magicarpet Mar 2018 #87
Maybe there's a mob mentality at these rallies. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #36
"Telling it like it is" equals Trump equals strength to them steve2470 Mar 2018 #37
Most of trump supporters have no manners Miigwech Mar 2018 #39
Easy - they themselves are low-class, ill-mannered boors. Initech Mar 2018 #40
They are a mirror image of his highness. Butterflylady Mar 2018 #42
Good discussion on this subject.. mountain grammy Mar 2018 #43
Because he shits on the people they hate. LuvLoogie Mar 2018 #48
Because they're low-class and ill-mannered . . . hatrack Mar 2018 #50
those who do are also low-class boors. pangaia Mar 2018 #52
Boors of a feather... nt Xipe Totec Mar 2018 #53
He's old, white, scared, hateful and bigoted just like they are Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #55
I think that is it. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2018 #66
tRump insults people, then says that this person or that person stopbush Mar 2018 #56
What's his approval? SayItLoud Mar 2018 #57
Also why to they shrug off horrendous scandals that would destroy the career of any other politician Kablooie Mar 2018 #59
Trump has exposed (to me) an underbelly of America that I had no idea existed mchill Mar 2018 #63
TRUMP and his behavior are accepted because this is what we have become as a society. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2018 #64
I agree with you, except-- janx Mar 2018 #71
You are, of course, correct. There are still pockets of civil society left in this country. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2018 #89
'Cause they're dingbats? sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #65
Because a lot of white men are entitled pigs askyagerz Mar 2018 #69
That may be true, but this kind of behavior was never acceptable The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #84
There has always been a large portion of these people askyagerz Mar 2018 #98
What we used to call manners or civility CanonRay Mar 2018 #73
It's primitive, tribal behavior... ewagner Mar 2018 #74
But why now, and why this guy? Politics has always been a nasty business, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #79
I've been in politics since the 60s also... ewagner Mar 2018 #92
Good question... ewagner Mar 2018 #143
Dunning Kruger effect...nt SayitAintSo Mar 2018 #75
Some of his voters have deserted him due to this. lark Mar 2018 #76
His lowbrow voters view this as proof he's a "regular guy" Jake Stern Mar 2018 #81
Because that's exactly how they wish they could act. dawg Mar 2018 #82
Its obvious his mother thought her Donnie wasn't right..... Historic NY Mar 2018 #83
Great question... Niagara Mar 2018 #85
Easy--he's not Hillary. KatyaR Mar 2018 #86
The answer to your question is in the first four words you asked GusBob Mar 2018 #91
Conservatives are unbelievable hypocritical. Wasn't it just a few years ago they Nitram Mar 2018 #94
We must see the truths and honor the truths that advance this Democracy's Posterity Civic Justice Mar 2018 #96
The deplorables are like drumpf with regard to behavior and speech. democratisphere Mar 2018 #97
But they aren't, necessarily, and that's what I don't get. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #100
So you must take people at face value. I don't. Many people can pretend democratisphere Mar 2018 #104
There was kid right behind him at his speech in PA where he used the term son of a bitch lunasun Mar 2018 #101
trump DownriverDem Mar 2018 #103
It is exceptional jimlup Mar 2018 #105
White male dominance is worshipped in red America. IluvPitties Mar 2018 #106
This Yavin4 Mar 2018 #134
Is he really that different from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity? Amaryllis Mar 2018 #110
He's the president. That's a lot different from being a trash-mouthed, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #111
His supporters were Jspur Mar 2018 #112
Because he acts like they do. It's relatable. n/t TryingNot2Freak Mar 2018 #114
Because evil people prosper. joshcryer Mar 2018 #115
Have you seen Idiocracy? Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #117
Newt Gingrich bluecollar2 Mar 2018 #118
I blame reality TV. CrispyQ Mar 2018 #119
2 suspicions here: MadDAsHell Mar 2018 #120
we're not well. barbtries Mar 2018 #121
Because he is a racist Alpeduez21 Mar 2018 #126
because they act a lot like him nt njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #128
The brutal truth is DonCoquixote Mar 2018 #130
It's like watching the Three Stooges... C_U_L8R Mar 2018 #132
They are him and he is they Yavin4 Mar 2018 #133
Peas in a pod stick together, something like that ... n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #135
Because, and I'll say it again for the millionth time... Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #137
Because he is *their* low-class, ill-mannered boor. SeattleVet Mar 2018 #138
I ask that same question to myself often. What has happened to basic morals? UCmeNdc Mar 2018 #142

Roy Rolling

(6,943 posts)
33. Same here
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:21 PM
Mar 2018

I remember in 1960 my deeply-southern neighborhood kids singing
"Whistle while you work,
Kennedy's a jerk,
Vote for Nixon
He will fix him
Whistle while you work."

I first wondered why kids don't go to jail for that. It was beyond comprehension for a 6-year old to understand freedom of speech. But I understood instinctively you don't call adults a jerk, especially President Kennedy.

Think of it. A 6-year old in 1960 is smarter than an adult Trump supporter of today. And just maybe, smarter than Trump himself.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
68. We had something similar when I was a kid but it went like this...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:13 PM
Mar 2018

"Whistle while you work, Nixon is a jerk, Mussolini's got no weenie, whistle while you work"

What do you expect from 7 year old kids?

Although we still knew that Nixon was bad news!

phylny

(8,393 posts)
123. Ok, *I* remember
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 03:20 PM
Mar 2018

Last edited Mon Mar 12, 2018, 06:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Whistle while you work
Hitler is a jerk
Mussolini bit his weenie
Now it doesn’t squirt

Can’t believe I remembered thise and typed it.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
136. I remember it as-
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 06:31 PM
Mar 2018

Whistle while you work
Hitler is a jerk
Mussolini bent his weenie
Now it doesn’t work

I like yours better.

Great big gobs of mangulated monkey meat
Dirty birdie stinky feet...

I can't believe we can remember those bits of doggerel!

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
116. I remember
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 04:36 AM
Mar 2018

A classmate on the school bus whose parents supported Nixon making fun of protestors etc. he did the peace sign or something, lol. I can’t remember it very well now. I told him off. Crazy times. I’m sure your way smarter then 🍊💩. 😊

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,767 posts)
2. I suspect the people who voted for him think it's OK for him to behave badly.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:11 PM
Mar 2018

Why?

He validates them, their "thinking," and their behavior.

There may be other reasons, but this is what comes to my mind.

kacekwl

(7,025 posts)
41. They have been told by trump,faux etc. that having
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:27 PM
Mar 2018

manners and being civil equates "political correctness" which is now apparently not acceptable.

Ohiogal

(32,158 posts)
47. Yes kacekwl
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:37 PM
Mar 2018

What we were always taught as "manners" they see as being "too PC"

I too don't understand how vulgarity, bullying, and cruel insulting has become acceptable behavior now.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
95. exactly. turn on any republican talk radio station and hear the excuses and
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:14 PM
Mar 2018

calling us snowflakes for being unable to handle racism and assholiness

the problem is non asshole americans ignore the carnival barking assholes on 1500 radio stations making excuses for assholes and racists and misogynists and ignorance

Alpeduez21

(1,759 posts)
127. but call them racist or assholes
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 05:15 PM
Mar 2018

and see the snowflake in them come out. Look at the reaction to Hillary calling them deplorable. She was right and should've doubled down on that.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
131. imo, as long as democrats ignore rw radio it doesn't matter much what dems say
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 05:41 PM
Mar 2018

they can take anything like 'deplorable' out of context and use it any way they want and keep repeating the meme on those stations, or ones they make up, until the media is using it the way they want.

they can create made-to-order constituencies for anything they want - suddenly there are millions who think she's calling all republican voters stupid nosepickers. that may be proven now but....

the fact is that while 300 radio blowhards rail against 'political correctness' they are the biggest political correctness cop force the country has ever seen, with limbaugh at the top

bdamomma

(63,955 posts)
99. TV has alot to do with it
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:41 PM
Mar 2018

the dumbing down of America has been in full force.

I heard that those who voted for Trump felt like they knew him by watching his freaking show the Apprentice, that is rather sad and sick.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
88. It really IS that simple!
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:52 PM
Mar 2018

Folks tend towards that that they feel most comfortable with. If one's stupid, they feel a kinship with other stupids!

wishstar

(5,272 posts)
3. A shame his suppporters and much of media are normalizing outrageous lying, bullying, insulting
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:13 PM
Mar 2018

His nasty rudeness and threats such as "lock her up" should not be tolerated. But as we saw in the campaign, too many in media and the public dismiss it as if he is just conducting is an entertaining train wreck reality show.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
77. To a point....
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:22 PM
Mar 2018

that point being, if a Democrat did these same things their "moral outrage" would be off the charts. You know, the old IOKIYAR.

barbtries

(28,817 posts)
122. yeah i used to think that was just a phrase.
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 02:50 PM
Mar 2018

nope. it's a thing.

what cracked me up was hearing Sam Nunberg saying the exact opposite during his shit show last week. republicans are so inside out. if they get called on their bad acts it's unfair. they put Hillary through SO MUCH over nothing and to this day they wonder why she's not in prison. the investigations played out and there was nothing there! Mueller's already got 4 guilty pleas and what, 15 indictments?! That is not nothing, and it definitely is not anything Hillary did.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
124. Yep!
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 05:06 PM
Mar 2018

And they've spent over $120 million investigating the Clintons, like you say, for anything, and they haven't made one charge stick. Mueller has spent less than 10% of that and they're squawking like a bunch of parrots about how much it's costing the country. They're OK with Cadet BoneSpurs' military parade though. That's money "well spent".

barbtries

(28,817 posts)
125. every time i think of this stupid parade
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 05:10 PM
Mar 2018

all i can think of is Colonel Cathcart. i had to google to remember his name!

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
139. Catch 22.
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 10:38 PM
Mar 2018

Great book. And yes, Cathcart and Trump are almost interchangeable, but Trump is much more repulsive. Yossarian might not think so, but they're all fictional characters anyway.

barbtries

(28,817 posts)
140. yep
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:15 PM
Mar 2018

the book i decided i would have with me if i got stuck on an island and was only allowed one book.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
141. Excellent choice!
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 04:44 AM
Mar 2018

It would certainly keep your spirits up! The absurdity of your situation would almost demand it.

dalton99a

(81,683 posts)
4. He's the 21st-century American version of Commodus
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:14 PM
Mar 2018
In the arena, Commodus always won since his opponents always submitted to the emperor. Thus, these public fights would not end in death. Privately, it was his custom to slay his practice opponents. For each appearance in the arena, he charged the city of Rome a million sesterces, straining the Roman economy.

Commodus raised the ire of many military officials in Rome for his Hercules persona in the arena. Often, wounded soldiers and amputees would be placed in the arena for Commodus to slay with a sword. Citizens of Rome missing their feet through accident or illness were taken to the arena, where they were tethered together for Commodus to club to death while pretending they were giants.

Commodus was also known for fighting exotic animals in the arena, often to the horror of the Roman people. According to Gibbon, Commodus once killed 100 lions in a single day. Later, he decapitated a running ostrich with a specially designed dart and afterwards carried the bleeding head of the dead bird and his sword over to the section where the Senators sat and gesticulated as though they were next. Dio notes that the targeted senators actually found this more ridiculous than frightening, and chewed on laurel leaves to conceal their laughter. On another occasion, Commodus killed three elephants on the floor of the arena by himself. Finally, Commodus killed a giraffe, which was considered to be a strange and helpless beast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodus

Igel

(35,385 posts)
5. Popularization of discourse.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:19 PM
Mar 2018

A lot of people have never held to "old fashioned" norms for discourse and decorum.

The old standards are falling. The new standards are repugnant to those who liked the old ones.

enough

(13,268 posts)
6. When I was in elementary school in a rural area in the 1950s, I discovered that the
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:20 PM
Mar 2018

basic manners I learned at home were seen as snobbish, that kids thought I was putting on airs, and that meant I thought I was better than them. I figured out how to blend in without being overtly mean and rude, and I got through the rest of school without being totally ostracized.

I think people’s love for Trump’s boorishness is connected to that. They think people who act conventionally polite and civilized are acting out of a feeling of superiority. Trump’s bad manners signal to them that he doesn’t think he’s superior. Which is ironic, given that he thinks he’s superior to everybody.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
72. I think you are on to something.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:17 PM
Mar 2018

I am dismayed by the lack of basic manners of people these days. It seems like many people see manners as a sign of weakness and not just a polite way to interact with other members of society.

AdamGG

(1,298 posts)
67. Purely for the ratings
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:12 PM
Mar 2018

Even if it's Trump haters gawking at a car crash, they're drawing more viewers by covering the Trump rallies than they would with something else. That's the sad fact of it.

Arkansas Granny

(31,539 posts)
8. From what I've seen and heard, most of his supporters think
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:21 PM
Mar 2018

he's "one of them". That makes me think that they behave in the same way, or wish they could.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,673 posts)
9. They're living vicariously through him
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:25 PM
Mar 2018

He says the awful things they wish they could say and does things they wish they do. Being a decent person used to mean treat others as you'd like to be treated. Nowadays it's called political correctness run amok.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
102. You've probably nailed it.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:52 PM
Mar 2018

He didn't "create" the current landscape.

He just gave his followers the belief that it was "OK" to say what they've been taught to keep under wraps.

Remember, he is famous for saying he created the "birther" thing because he knew there was a segment of society stupid enough to believe it.

ananda

(28,893 posts)
10. The rightwing media just talks on as if all this were... normal.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:27 PM
Mar 2018

Politicians don't seem to have a real handle on the
stark reality we are facing.

It's all euphemized.

tblue37

(65,527 posts)
27. Unfortunately, the MSM does, too, not just the media that are openly acknowledged
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:15 PM
Mar 2018

as being right wing.

BigmanPigman

(51,649 posts)
62. I called MSNBC and CNN to complain.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:05 PM
Mar 2018

They are acting the same way they did in 2016. They would show an empty stage and podium for 20 min waiting for the moron to appear. Meanwhile no one ever asked Hillary about the real issues that the wanted to discuss. We may as throw in the towel as far as winning in the midterms if they keep this shit up. Fux Ruse wouldn't have shown Obama at a Dem rally for over an hour right before an election. Ratings and $$$$ for the so-called liberal media.

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onecaliberal

(32,978 posts)
78. I did as well. Its to the point that they need a warning
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:23 PM
Mar 2018

To keep small children out of the room when he speaks.

Mopar151

(10,006 posts)
12. Worst case of arrested development ever seen...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:30 PM
Mar 2018

About half of those little shits grew up snickering at their parents and teachers, because of hypocrisy, tribalisim, and the usual suspects. Instead, they picked up a narrative of the Dukes of Hazzard, Kid Rock, and rollin' coal, they regard racisim as a reliable means of getting a rise out of " uncool " (i.e. different from them) people.

moondust

(20,022 posts)
13. Name-calling is very Presidential.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:33 PM
Mar 2018

Believe me.

At this point what's left of his base is nothing more than a cult of sleazy bigots and pigs.

Paladin

(28,282 posts)
15. Didn't you see Bill Maher's latest show?
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:41 PM
Mar 2018

According to Maher (and his creepy guest Bari Weiss), trump and his thuggish behavior are all the fault of liberals---because we insisted on being too "politically correct."

Every time I decide to cut Maher some slack and pay attention to what he's saying, he lays shit like that on me. One of these days I'll learn. Oh, and by the way: to hell with Bari Weiss, David Brooks, and the rest of the NYT apologists for trump's goony followers.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
30. I turned it off after the opening monologue
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:18 PM
Mar 2018

I could see where he was headed, and the guest list was also a negative.

In general, if he has Bari Weiss on, I will not watch. She is one of the worst.

Paladin

(28,282 posts)
45. I'll tell you the only revelation of the show:
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:34 PM
Mar 2018

Erick Erickson isn't quite the horse's ass I expected him to be. Oh, he's a right-wing mouthpiece, no doubt---but he doesn't like trump at all.

Come to think of it, the opening discussion with Kathy Griffith was pretty good---glad to hear she's getting concert hall appearances again.

So it would have been a passable show---if Bari Weiss hadn't been there to aid and abet yet another of Maher's anti-liberal rants.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
16. Youre one of us
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:42 PM
Mar 2018

In his campaign rally yesterday, while he was bragging about being a bloviating boor, someone shouted, “You’re one of us!”

Which kind of explains everything. Like with Bush and Gore, the American people once again identified the most qualified candidate and were then promptly outvoted in electoral vote by people who preferred “someone they could drink a beer with” over competence.

I don’t get it, I’ve never understood it, but that’s apparently how many people feel.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
17. They think it should okay for white people to behave that way...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 04:46 PM
Mar 2018

...but especially okay for a rich white man to do so. He does what they don't quite dare to do, and gets away with it.

JHB

(37,164 posts)
20. The politics of the middle finger.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:03 PM
Mar 2018

Because it pisses off liberals, and that brings a smile to their face. That’s what counts most, in their view.

renate

(13,776 posts)
49. "because it pisses off liberals"
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:41 PM
Mar 2018

Exactly!

If Obama had behaved this way, they wouldn't like it. So it's not as simplistic as their liking rude behavior, or being asswipes or uncivilized or anything like that. IMHO, it's mainly that they love pissing off liberals... the people who don't want to take away their food stamps or health insurance or consumer and worker protections, but whatever.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,406 posts)
23. Too many of them were brought up to have exceptions to whom should be treated decently
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:07 PM
Mar 2018

They treated their own people OK; but there were 'others' who could be scapegoats, bogeymen and so on. When Trump picks on one of them, they form a bond with him.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
24. My spouse and I
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:09 PM
Mar 2018

were discussing this today. As loathsome as it is to see and hear Twitler spewing his deranged nonsense, it is even more disturbing to see and hear all the idiots behind him laughing and cheering, supporting and encouraging the venom. So these inbreds would be perfectly OK if it were their child being bullied, or doing the bullying, or if they themselves were being harassed or bullied by someone bigger, meaner, smarter.

It is scary.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
113. When I see his
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 03:02 AM
Mar 2018

supporters cheering and applauding his lies, arrogance and verbal toxicity, I am reminded of the quote by British philosopher John Stuart Mill-

"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives."

Fritz Walter

(4,292 posts)
25. One word: FEAR
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:11 PM
Mar 2018

Cadet Bone Spurs (or “Barking Yam,” if you prefer) adeptly plays to the fears of Cult 45: Conservative Old White Guy/Gals Impotently Raging, Losing Status. {COWGIRLS}.

His campaign handlers recognized how scared these people are — how they once erroneously perceived they were in control and in charge of their lives. The election of Barack Obama to POTUS, not once but twice, sent a serious chill down their reptilian spines. And the GOP responded according: All hands to battle stations!
But as happened in the Frankenstein story, or the saga of the Golem of Prague, the creators lost control of their monster, and the rest of us get to deal with the consequences.
Today, the fearful sheeple are willing to forgive Cheetolini of anything and everything as long as he allays their fears, and continues to fuel their belief that he is their lord and savior, delivering them from a 21st Century paradigm where they are not on top. As if they ever were, (perhaps their ancestors were at one time or another, but them? Not so much.)

Parallels to Germany in the 1930s are well documented elsewhere here on DU. Scarily.

GET
OUT
THE
VOTE
Now, more than ever before!

Buns_of_Fire

(17,210 posts)
26. I keep hearing "let Trump be Trump" from the more rabid RWNJs...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:13 PM
Mar 2018

...in other words, let him go ahead and act like a low-class, ill-mannered boor -- which he is. Just like them.

FakeNoose

(32,864 posts)
93. They got that from Steve Bannon
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:09 PM
Mar 2018

... who no longer works for Cheeto. I guess there are a lot of good reasons for that.

ProfessorGAC

(65,350 posts)
28. There Was A Moron On CSPAN WJ This Morning
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:15 PM
Mar 2018

A drone from his PAC that droned about this was what people liked, completely ignoring that 62% don't like it!
They're about THEM! That's it. The fact they're wrong and 5 out of 8 know is completely irrelevant to them. Facts don't matter!

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
32. Trump's always been this way
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:18 PM
Mar 2018

I have a family member who's been dealing with him on and off since at least the early 90s (I was in 5th grade when I first heard the name). The first thing I remember about him is an anti Semitic comment).

Throughout the years, I've heard many stories about Trump's whiny behavior. The man you see on TV is very similar to the true Trump.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,963 posts)
38. Everybody knows that. The question is, why is his behavior tolerated
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:24 PM
Mar 2018

now that he's not just some louche playboy-wannabe real estate developer?

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
46. TBH I'm surprised that he got past the primary
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:35 PM
Mar 2018

I initially thought his candidacy and behavior was going to be a flash in the pan novelty type candidate and drop out long before the first primary. I mean in any other year he did things that would have been deemed unacceptable (talking about the size of his dick during a presidential debate).

I grew up seeing double standards and how some people got away with things others would not (good example is the popular kids at school getting away with bullying. Also see the phrase 'boys will be boys.'). As an adult I saw the same thing in the workplace. To me, Trump's just one of those people.

magicarpet

(14,202 posts)
87. Off the cuff comments, no holding back...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:43 PM
Mar 2018

.... blurt out the first thing that comes to mind. Rude, crude, hateful, hurtful all register extra points. A reality show pResidential Oval Office where insults and childish nicknames rule the roost and garner utmost admiration and respect.

tRunp's voting supporters and political base eats up this vomit by their leader and screams and cheers for more.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,963 posts)
36. Maybe there's a mob mentality at these rallies.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:23 PM
Mar 2018

I'm just having a lot of trouble understanding how someone could cheer any politician who speaks with such vulgarity and viciousness toward others - other politicians, media people, celebrities, anyone who disagrees with him. If I ever heard a Democratic politician or any candidate for office speak the way Trump does, I would lose all respect for them. Tough criticism is one thing, but calling people things like "low I.Q." or "son of a bitch" is so far beyond the pale I don't understand how it can be tolerated, let alone cheered. And I know many of these people can't have been brought up that way. Some of Trump's most ardent defenders are Southerners, and the South has a tradition of good manners. Their mothers would have washed their mouths out with laundry soap if some of those #MAGA-hat-wearing good ol' boys talked that kind of trash in front of them.

And don't get me started on hush money for porn stars. Remember when Bill Clinton was nearly drawn and quartered for his dalliance with Monica Lewinski? It was all "What will we tell the children?" I'd like to know how the GOPers are explaining their nasty, adulterous, potty-mouthed president to their children these days.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
37. "Telling it like it is" equals Trump equals strength to them
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:24 PM
Mar 2018

I think most of us on DU would call him stupid, childish, boorish, insensitive, totally un-presidential, and bullying instead. However, I've seen interviews with voters who admire his "strength" and "straight talk". More like over compensating for his weaknesses and more like a narcissistic psychopath's attempts to BS.

Initech

(100,132 posts)
40. Easy - they themselves are low-class, ill-mannered boors.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:25 PM
Mar 2018

Which is why they wear the deplorable badge with pride.

mountain grammy

(26,663 posts)
43. Good discussion on this subject..
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:32 PM
Mar 2018

I had a boss tell me she thought Bill Clinton was "creepy." Yep, she voted for trump.

I think we've always been pretty uncivil, after all we only just ended apartheid in my lifetime. Women have been voting for less than 100 years. We've been a male dominated society since inception and, sorry guys, that does not make for a compassionate or progressive country.

I don't hate men, far from it. There are more good ones around than bad, and thank goodness for that or we'd all be dead. We're in a mess, and men are in charge, that's all I'm saying.

hatrack

(59,601 posts)
50. Because they're low-class and ill-mannered . . .
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:42 PM
Mar 2018

A friend of mine said something years ago which pretty much nailed it: "The majority of people I work with and know stopped growing emotionally in about eighth grade."

Plenty of us work to get beyond our junior-high selves. Many of us don't.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,874 posts)
66. I think that is it.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:12 PM
Mar 2018

He makes it ok for them to act like that, too. He thinks like they
do and acts like they do.

stopbush

(24,398 posts)
56. tRump insults people, then says that this person or that person
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:48 PM
Mar 2018

“isn’t a nice person.”

That’s his way of connecting to the mild language that “nice” people use in polite company.

His knuckle-dragging supporters buy into it, and think that tRump is a “nice person.”

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
57. What's his approval?
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:49 PM
Mar 2018

That will tell you how many think it's OK to ask like a first class asshole. The Deplorable ones like the spectacles of the KKKon man's show. They are to friggin stupid to realize what he has and is doing to America, the kids, laws and life.

Kablooie

(18,645 posts)
59. Also why to they shrug off horrendous scandals that would destroy the career of any other politician
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 05:51 PM
Mar 2018

What kind of magic spell does he hold over his drooling followers?

It's sure something for sociologists to study in coming decades.

mchill

(1,020 posts)
63. Trump has exposed (to me) an underbelly of America that I had no idea existed
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:08 PM
Mar 2018

I can't explain it. I'm very very disappointed in the human race right now.

P.S. I never understood "100" being the average IQ. That seemed very low. I get it now.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
64. TRUMP and his behavior are accepted because this is what we have become as a society.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:08 PM
Mar 2018

This (TRUMP-ism) is accepted because it is the end result of the devolution of American society and political discourse. It has its roots in anti-intellectualism and has been helped along immensely by right-wing media. But this is who we are now. Welcome to the new America, which really isn't completely new.

janx

(24,128 posts)
71. I agree with you, except--
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:17 PM
Mar 2018

not all of American society has succumbed to this kind of pop culture, even after 30 years. Trump just happens to contain just about everything it is made up of (and little else).

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
89. You are, of course, correct. There are still pockets of civil society left in this country.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:54 PM
Mar 2018

It's a big country, and there are still a lot of good people out there. Examples are many, but a few that come to mind are the existence of sanctuary cities where people have realized and codified the FACT that this is largely a nation of immigrants, the recent outcry from our youth against gun violence, and the fact that there are still universities (the University of Wisconsin no longer being an example) where the search for truth and enlightenment continues mostly unabated by right-wing anti-intellectual political forces.

But the dominant social movement in this country at this moment in time is TRUMP-ism, which is really just a particularly virulent strain of nativism/ white nationalism that would not look out of place in 1930's Germany.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
69. Because a lot of white men are entitled pigs
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:15 PM
Mar 2018

Coming from a white man who grew up in a rural community. I witnessed this behavior all my life growing up with 5 much older brothers and all of their idiot friends. They stay ignorant because it's easier then having a conscious while they're whooping it up with their buddies. Degrading people that will never impact their lives in any way.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,963 posts)
84. That may be true, but this kind of behavior was never acceptable
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:36 PM
Mar 2018

among politicians and other public figures until now. It's one thing for some good ol' boy to sit on the bumper of his rusty pickup and trash-talk his neighbors while crushing a beer can with one hand and scratching his junk with the other. People have always wanted some cultural connection with their elected officials but at the same time they expected them to have at least a little class. It used to be that people wanted to look up to their leaders; now it seems like they want them wallowing in the mud right along with them.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
98. There has always been a large portion of these people
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:41 PM
Mar 2018

They just don't give a crap society. Can only see what's right in front of them and lack empathy because they they are pissed they aren't living the dream.
A perfect example is my brothers and I. Same parents but I came along later and was raised more by my tolerant mom then my racist dad. They all have completely different world views then me.
Plus I know a lot of people who were raised with two rotten parents. They never had a chance growing up hearing hate everyday. There is a underbelly of society that will despise anything that can be construed to make it someone else's problem. They now have a leader and therefore a megaphone to scream about their twisted theories. They've always been there. It's just now they are standing in front of us beating their chests.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
74. It's primitive, tribal behavior...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:18 PM
Mar 2018

Vilify your opponent tribe...ridicule them...paint them as weak and your tribe as strong...

It's the same as sports teams intimidating the opponent..."IN YOUR FACE!"

I honestly don't know how we change it except to defeat Trump and all who give him power...

Not optimistic

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,963 posts)
79. But why now, and why this guy? Politics has always been a nasty business,
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:30 PM
Mar 2018

but there was at least a veneer of civility in public even while they were sticking shivs in each others' backs. The level of crudeness and overt viciousness is something I've never seen before since I started paying attention to politics in the '60s.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
92. I've been in politics since the 60s also...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:07 PM
Mar 2018

...and I too have never seen it like this...

Trump unleashed something that was always underground...never brought up in public...

I still think the elections (2) of Obama had a lot to do with it...the nastiness started to bubble up in the form of racism and then...

well....


...Trump opened the gates of hell.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
143. Good question...
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:27 PM
Mar 2018

I think it is like you proposed, always in the background under the veneer of civility...

What happened, I think, is that somehow the signal was sent that crudeness and viciousness was "what the people wanted" and the politicians were more than willing to give it to them.

lark

(23,190 posts)
76. Some of his voters have deserted him due to this.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:21 PM
Mar 2018

Sadly most have not, which says something scary about 36(?)% of voting age folks.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
81. His lowbrow voters view this as proof he's a "regular guy"
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:33 PM
Mar 2018

To them the educated, well spoken Democrat is an elitist snob who looks down on them or wants to patronize them.

dawg

(10,626 posts)
82. Because that's exactly how they wish they could act.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:35 PM
Mar 2018

They're just too damned poor, and/or dependent on others, to get away with it themselves.

Historic NY

(37,458 posts)
83. Its obvious his mother thought her Donnie wasn't right.....
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:35 PM
Mar 2018

the reason he was sent off to the Jr. military school a couple miles from my house. The should have sent him to the ones run by nuns.

Niagara

(7,727 posts)
85. Great question...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:39 PM
Mar 2018

Sadly, these bad behavior examples from PINO and his supporters are exactly what HRC was referring to when she made the basket of deplorables statement. She ...and obviously the rest of us on DU have the intelligence to recognize this awful behavior for what it is. I actually cringed when she said it but she nailed it.

KatyaR

(3,447 posts)
86. Easy--he's not Hillary.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 06:42 PM
Mar 2018

Every time they see him, or he says something stupid, they're reminded that he SAVED them from Hillary. They think that's hilarious.

Nitram

(22,949 posts)
94. Conservatives are unbelievable hypocritical. Wasn't it just a few years ago they
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:09 PM
Mar 2018

criticized Obama for stuff like wearing a khaki jacket, and his wife for wearing a sleeveless dress. And now they are defending this ill-mannered hoodlum?

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
96. We must see the truths and honor the truths that advance this Democracy's Posterity
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:14 PM
Mar 2018

Last edited Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Many of the Trump supporters are of the mindset and many are offspring's of people, who lived before, who relished the idea of "talking down to people", "belittling others", and "bully talk" and "fake bravado" and "racist denigration of others"... this was something relished and something people took pride in being and doing, for centuries and decades. There are today many of such peoples offspring's who live today, who think this to be the symbol and manner of strength, they think this is the manner and ideals of deluding themselves to think they are superior.
If one looks back at the history in America, it will be acknowledge these same types had no regard for the rule of law, because they were "given a pass" for such vile, bigotry and malice minded actions and conduct and given a pass by the law enforcement of the times. This is the "ideology passed along from one generation to the next".
We now see it again exposed within the Trump core supporters and his administration, and it is not unlike what was seen in those who promoted race based bigotry, monetary bigotry, and those who spun in the ignorance and bigotry pre Civil Rights Acts of 1964, we saw the same in the fight for voting rights. We see it still in the Republican aims of gerrymandering, and we see it in the vile of attacks upon public programs and things that assist and help American people.

The old George Wallace ideals: Of attacking Civil Rights aims, and claiming that they would never support the idea of minority people, gaining and utilizing any benefits of tax supported programs. they did not care how many poor whites such acts damaged, they only cared to promote a denial of any thing(s) that might respect, regard and include american freedoms to minorities. Sadly, these people of Right Wing Ideology have not changed, and their ancestry too great pains to drill into them this mentality of such vile.

We can't have selective amnesia, and not see the connections of where this came from, and how it has been passed among generations to be and do things that promote the same remake of those who relished the idea of "talking down to people", "belittling others", and "bully talk" and "fake bravado" and "racist denigration of others"... These types never embraced the values of Civil Rights, and they certainly did not invest themselves to respect "equality of social and civic integration".
Therefore, when they saw and heard Trump... he espoused everything they have been taught and what has been passed down to them from generations who came before them.

For the sake of the madness of relishing the idea of "talking down to people", "belittling others", and "bully talk" and "fake bravado" and "racist denigration of others"... and having no regard for the law, and living as if the laws does not apply to them, as they are of the mindset that such things make them superior unto others, who have not their skin color or look like themselves. It is not difficult to see and know how these groups came to be, and why they continue to exist. They segregate themselves and pass this madness among their young, and among each other.
There is a site (CD) where they pump each other up with this madness, no level of truths will they acknowledge, they live with selective amnesia about all things that represent the vile of their past, they own nothing of responsibility of what the Right Wing Ideology has done to continually bring this nation down, economically, socially, and within civic processes.
We saw that vividly, when they failed to own up to the mess of us being embroiled in wars that resulted to destabilize the middle east and wreak economic havoc that spanned the globule, and nearly crashed the American Economy. They pushed the madness about Benghazi, in aim to smear Hillary, and deluded the public, and once it was exposed that Republican were the responsible party to have funded and supported additional security, they became silent. As if the rest of us, would not see the malice they engaged and the vile of their intentions in doing so.

We see them whine and cry about being "left behind", when they were the elements that promoted the acts that led to the exodus of industry away from America. Their hatefulness and disdain for "Equality among American Citizens" driven by their aims to bust unions and any act to deny economic opportunity to minorities and women in equal portion.

(( take note: ))

(((( Part of the Issue during Jim Crow America, it was "white people" (NOT ALL) who detested the thought of black people getting "EQUAL" and certainly they did not want to see minorities of any ethnicity of non white people, get any portion of benefits and services. These same white people, if they are still alive, now face the exact same thing they tried to deny to minority black people. BECAUSE degree riding companies executives realized, if they can have a mass of white people standing up to deny minority black people benefits and services and progressive pay, then the Corporations figured they could use the same ideology to deny the exact same things to white people, and they used the law of equality to justify doing so, against the same white people who tried to promote denying minorities, it was used to deny the same things to working white people and poor white people. They knew the working poor and dire poor white would never figure out, the resulting outcome is had been duped and made subjects unto the same aims they sought to use to deny minorities, equal civil and civic lives and to deny economic equilibrium opportunities.

The problem in American is the Right Wing white people never figured it out, they were happy they could get a line of credit and some credit cards and a new car on credit, and they lived "in perpetual credit debt".. When the jobs dried up and were outsourced, they found the conditions they live and are subjected to declines year by year... They got the exact same things they "wished upon minority black people" and many still have not or can't figure it out. "They did it to themselves, by trying to doing wrong things to minority black people.
NOW - They "whine" I've been left behind. When it is documented facts: that is recorded history which denotes their own attitude, mentality and disposition of bias and bigotry, which put them behind.
It's not hard to see these things, when one looks at the big picture.

The bible has long ago and still tells man..
"He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. Psalm 7:15

)))


The reality of these things.. people don't want to face up to... but .. NONE of this stuff happened by accident... and no nation came and carted away American industry, it was 'American’s who carted away the industry, and thought it could survive by well to do white people in roles as those who could afford university cost, to be people who could just shuffle paper and control the wealth gathering aims, while turning minorities and poor white people into nothing more than 'servant class citizens, with minimum wage ', That's the closest they could in trying to recreate slavery like scenarios by the use of foreign people on foreign lands, and trying to create indenture among American poor whites and minorities, by using people on foreign shores as slave labor, for less than it cost to house and feed a slave in America, and the working poor whites and blacks, being paid no more than an indentured servant, so they could their credit debt on monthly installments. When they could no longer make those payments, "the collection agencies come and take everything back".
This is much to do as a result from a nation that detested the ideal of equality, and resent the fact that slavery was outlawed.

Trump seized upon the same ignorance that the Confederacy used over the long span of time. The only difference is the Confederates never ceases the war aims, they simply too the War INSIDE Congress, and have been waging battles every since. It's evident in the Republican Agenda, and visible in the havoc they have engaged for more than 150+ plus yeas against the Democracy of America. They long ago, switched from the Southern Democrat who were supporters of Confederate Ideals, and they took over the Republican Party, hoping to dupe the people, when fact is the Republican Party does not represent the values of Lincoln. Today, its the Democratic Party that Represents the Freedoms that Lincoln stood to promote. What the Confederate idealist did not count on, was the fact the Liberal minded would see through the ruse attempt, AND, the liberal minded people moved into the Democratic Party and made it the Party that Support the Civil and Civic Humanity and Equal Right for and of American People and this Society. It is important for people to know this, and not be deluded by Republican claiming to be the party of Lincoln, Republican are the party that desecrates the freedoms Lincoln promoted in the freedom of people. and insult the principles of Lincolns freedom goals for society.

When people become aware, and know the vile and deceptions of what is evident in present day Republican System and Its Ideology, then its easy to see, that such evilness has no limits. We've watched them go before congress and lie, deny and claim they can't remember, and seek to violate every ethic that made this nation great. We've seen them accept vile, belligerence, and madness of every sort within Trump and his Administration, and they stand in support of it, without a regard for civility and ethics. We've seen the so called moral Evangelicals, not only sit silent, but endorse and support this madness, with no thought of the moral violation engaged and uttered by Trump on a incessant basis.

We see them sit and support the malice'd use of technology's social media, to push distraction and contentions, on a daily basis, and moving about standing on stages seen by the world, pushing a vile that does not represent American values, nor uphold the integrity and dignity of the liberal and democracy respecting people who believe in the Democratic process of this nation.

We have to be willing to see, and learn well how to look that we may be able to see... and the vile of it all is visible.

We have a choice... that is to get out and "Vote" and remove the Republican from their seats in congress and cease their destructive aspirations against the American people and this Democracy. We have no time to second guess that necessity, we have to be aware and not distracted and led by distraction tactics, and stay focused on the values of this Democracy that we aspire to uphold and move into the future. Each person, must speak with all who they know, who supports the basic and premise of Democracy, and respect the Multicultural Reality of America as a Democracy, and inspire them to speak to all they know.. to remove this vile from the system and administration of this nation.

The self centered greed preaching that is the core of Trumps mentality, must not be allowed to infect any more of the American masses. We are a nation that builds and grows by and through unity and the respect of equality of all American people and respect those who have passions to be and become Americans and honor and join in our Democracy.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,963 posts)
100. But they aren't, necessarily, and that's what I don't get.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:42 PM
Mar 2018

Most of the people I know who voted for Trump (admittedly, that isn't many) are not rude, insulting, boorish people. They are polite, don't often use bad language and have taught their kids good manners. Therefore I can't assume all Trump voters are mean, swinish churls like he is, but for some reason his behavior is tolerated if not copied. I do not understand why anyone who thinks civil behavior is important would tolerate Trump - and yet they do, even if they don't behave like him.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
104. So you must take people at face value. I don't. Many people can pretend
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:35 PM
Mar 2018

to be one way but are actually another.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
101. There was kid right behind him at his speech in PA where he used the term son of a bitch
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:45 PM
Mar 2018

Is this OK now ? All the young women seemed to love it too but they at least were adults . The kid was about 10-12. Am I weird becuz I would not like someone talking like that casually around my kids?

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
105. It is exceptional
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:59 PM
Mar 2018

this is the level that the Repukes will stoop to in order to further their agenda of corporate plutocracy.

Yavin4

(35,453 posts)
134. This
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 05:51 PM
Mar 2018

The hetero, Christian, White male identity has to be dominant in their minds even if that means that ill-mannered, foul-mouth, incompetents reign supreme.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,963 posts)
111. He's the president. That's a lot different from being a trash-mouthed,
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 12:13 AM
Mar 2018

bigoted asshole of a hate radio ranter - even if the personalities and attitudes are the same.

Jspur

(578 posts)
112. His supporters were
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 02:46 AM
Mar 2018

desperate to see a republican win the presidency that they were willing to win at all costs. I think a lot of his supporters would not normally approve of a politician cursing or swearing but because he's a republican they give him a pass. They have simply sold their soul just for the purpose of winning.

CrispyQ

(36,556 posts)
119. I blame reality TV.
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 11:02 AM
Mar 2018

People learned that if they behaved loudly & badly they could get attention–maybe even make money.

As for Trump's appeal, I think there is a contingent of people who would like to be able to do & say whatever they want without any consequences–kind of like Trump's life before the presidency. His money got him out of all sorts of trouble his mouth got him into. These people would like that in their own lives.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
120. 2 suspicions here:
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 01:28 PM
Mar 2018

1) Someone after the election (don’t remember if on the left or right) was talking about the concept of “what offends me v what affects me,” and that there are apparently a lot of voters who just don’t really care what comes out of someone’s mouth. They might even admit it’s offensive, but won’t change their vote if they don’t feel it actually AFFECTS them. This is true on both sides of the aisle, we just haven’t seen it from Democrats for a long time. Many were offended by Bill Clinton’s treatment of women, including his own wife, but weren’t going to change their vote because those actions in President Clinton’s personal life didn’t AFFECT them, and his actions as President (mostly good) actually DID affect them.

2) People are sick of the status quo, so any change (even empty promises of change), are enticing.

barbtries

(28,817 posts)
121. we're not well.
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 02:45 PM
Mar 2018

as a nation, we are sick. up to 40% of us put this horrific excuse for a human being above any previous faiths or values they every held. i can't explain why it happened, but i blame republicans.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
130. The brutal truth is
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 05:32 PM
Mar 2018

A lot of Americans, mostly right wing, but also self described left wing, want to be a loud, rich a**hole who gets all the women he wants, and all the praises, regardless of the fact they deserve crap. We jnow who the right wingers are..as far as the left,mm anytime you hear somethhing like "woman are exculding us" or "we need to focus on da white workin calls", you have a chance of seeing them.

C_U_L8R

(45,033 posts)
132. It's like watching the Three Stooges...
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 05:47 PM
Mar 2018

except now we just have one big orange Stooge.

My guess is some people like having a Stooge for President because it makes them feel better about their own inadequacies. Or perhaps his hate-filled performance in some way justifies their own intolerances. Maybe they believe he's actually really rich and they want to be rich too and have come to believe that's the way you get to be rich and that's the way rich people act. ???

Yavin4

(35,453 posts)
133. They are him and he is they
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 05:49 PM
Mar 2018

They are "low-class, ill-mannered boors", and the fact that he's "rich" proves to them that you can be rich and be an asshole.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
137. Because, and I'll say it again for the millionth time...
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 07:02 PM
Mar 2018

The media still mostly treats Donnie as a reality TV celebrity loudmouth instead of the current holder of the highest office in the land...

If Trump ever got the scrutiny even average politicians get, he never would have been elected...

SeattleVet

(5,481 posts)
138. Because he is *their* low-class, ill-mannered boor.
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 07:28 PM
Mar 2018

If anyone on the sane side of the aisle did anything even remotely approaching a millionth of what he's done they would be screaming their dang fool heads off.

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