Sensible thinkers - by Tom Tomorrow

[kpete]

[southernyankeebelle]

1. That's just about what happen. I wonder if we put a draft in and require all men including

politicans sons going to the front line would that make them stop and think? I bet it would. Old men are always happier to send someoneelse children.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. All men? Try all citizens.

Next daft takes women as well, that's just how it has to go. Modern times.

[southernyankeebelle]

8. That will never happen. Ever until the ERA has finally passed some of the states. So far I think

they are about 5 states short. But even that much a majority of married women do not want to go to war with children at home. I just don't see that happening. Besides that I have been around to see what kind of a fallout that can cause. No I don't see that happening.

[TheKentuckian]

9. It should be insisted on, it makes selling any war that much harder.

Even a TeaPubliKlan will slow his roll if "Daddy's little girl" is probable cannonfodder. The rank and file anyway.

The society is fairly comfortable with boys in bodybags but a bit more squeamish with girls.

Hell, your reaction was indicitive of what I'm talking about. Women in bodybags and motherless children is a tough sale for many.

[southernyankeebelle]

17. Listen I have worked with the military. I know how SOME women play the system. To be perfectly

honest I believe once a woman has a child she needs to get out of the military. If she is married they husband or wife needs to make the choice. I am of the old school. I come from a family of lifers. Their attitude was if the military wanted you to have a wife they would have issued you one. I know I going to get alot of hate about it. But it is my personal belief. I say when my husband was stationed at Ft Campbell how unprepared many soldiers were about their families. What always bothered me is the recruiters would say the person they were trying to get in. You can give your parents temporary custody of your child or children (this is a single soldier I am talking about) and once you get your permanent assignment then you can get them back. I have seen it with my own eyes. This is a terrible policy. Soldiers need to worry about the mission. Now I know of some women who are great soldiers and even they don't like these kind of women who take advantage of their gender. I worked with a couple of girls that would use her period as an excuse. The other girl used her looks to get off and bragged about until she asked off once to often and she didn't get her way and accused the Captain of harassment. Not all women are like that but there are some. None the less I have no problem with women servicing. Yes I do have a problem with women in combat. Sorry that is how I feel. You have every right to disagree with me and I respect that. In the military MISSION always comes first. I would feel the same if there were a single man with a child.

[SheilaT]

20. I agree with you.

I honestly don't understand what women (and some men, especially those who themselves are single dads) are thinking of when they think the military is just like any other job and is compatible with home life.

[southernyankeebelle]

21. Thanks Sheila. I thought I would get a lot of heart ache over it. But everything I said is true.

[MedicalAdmin]

25. The IDF has mandatory service.

All men serve 2 years and all women serve 1 year minimum. And those are all potential combat missions.

Does anyone here think the IDF are a week force?

It dan and should be done. The decision makers need skin in the game and I'm not talking about investments in Halliburton.

[SheilaT]

31. If IDF is the Israeli Army

never forget that the Ultra Orthodox have a complete pass on serving.

And what does the Israeli Army have to do with the U.S. Army? If we actually had a universal draft I shudder to think how many wars would then be justified, how many more military bases would be built, how many more countries occupied.

The sad truth is that it is precisely our overgrown military and unrealistic military presence around the world that will lead to this country's eventual downfall. In all of the debate about how we can't afford Medicare or Social Security or even to repair roads and bridges in this country, the enormous size and reach of our military is almost never mentioned. There will come the day when we'll simply be a high-tech version of the collapsing Roman Empire.

[TheKentuckian]

22. I'm concerned largely with having less missions. I also think that men and women are equal

in rights, obligations, duty, and responsibilities.

The two are a perfect match, folks like you will have a greatly reduced tolerance to missions that result in women in body bags and motherless children and equality under the law is greatly enhanced.

Less missions and everyone has skin in the games that do happen.

[southernyankeebelle]

23. Everyone has a right to their opinion including you. I just been around the military all my grown

life. I know there are so good women soldier but many women don't want to be in combat. They are being pushed by women who do want to be there. Now I think if a single woman or a man have children they should be mde to get out. If they are married then one or the other should be out. You say they are equal. Ok then why do they have different requirements for PT? There is a reason. There are some jobs women do better then men and vise a versa. I am not hating on women. Like I said it comes from years of observations. Personally I don't want my granddaughter going off to war or being in the military. Especially since the military in general can't seem to stop women from getting raped.

[xchrom]

2. Happy New Year, Chuckles! Nt

[Robb]

3. Perhaps the country as a whole, but not DU.

No one here supported the invasion of Iraq.

Less than half supported going into Afghanistan.

And no one here supports a war with Iran.

[whatchamacallit]

5. No one here supports a war with Iran

until the president does (that is).

[Robb]

7. Horse puckey.

I'm one of DU's "hawks" in that I supported action in AfPak. We were in the minority then, and if anything we have become LESS convinced it was a good idea since Obama took office, not more.

War with Iran is folly, and fortunately everyone in any sort of power position agrees.

[Union Scribe]

14. Yep.

We'd hear about how he was forced to, how it's a humanitarian move (why do you hate those women being stoned????), how it'll mostly be drones so our troops are safer, etc etc. Basically, the exact same arguments used to justify his expansion of Afghanistan, his dawdling in Iraq, drone bombings, Libya. We've already SEEN that many will flip on war and go full rah-rah if they support the person waging it.

[southernyankeebelle]

18. I will not support the invasion of Iran no matter who the president is. If Israel wants to do it,

then let them do it. I support only Afghanistan until we got OBL. Once they got him Mission Accomplished time to come home.

[MineralMan]

6. Ah, Chuckles is back.

However, I have to disagree with the pragmatic woodchuck. Nothing good has ever come from our meddling in the Middle East. I think we should stop doing it completely. In fact, I'd be in favor of drastic cuts in our overseas military operations worldwide.

[MilesColtrane]

15. Well, I don't know that the final score on the Libyan intervention has been written.

So, we've got that going for us.

But seriously, we do need to GTFO of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[surrealAmerican]

10. Yet again, Tom Tomorrow gets it.

k & r

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. Americans vote against their own interests

be it war, health care, infrastructure etc

They just need to be lead like sheep to where
their corporate/military / media shepard wants to take them.

I think that's his point... and like always
He gets it.

[pokerfan]

12. k&r

and the full version:



Also seen on today's daily kos:

[Solly Mack]

13. K&R

Yep

[WillyT]

16. K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[leeroysphitz]

19. Oh well! Live and learn! n/t

[a2liberal]

24. K&R (n/t)

[HughBeaumont]

26. Chuckles and . . . . well, who is the other Republican in Moderate clothing supposed to be?

Never figured that one out.

K & R.

[eridani]

27. Why, yes, as a matter of fact..........

[Laelth]

28. Brilliant. k&r n/t

-Laelth

[GeorgeGist]

29. Looks like some of the pro ...

sense folks at DU have gotten Tom's attention.

[Fire Walk With Me]

30. K&R! :D