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Tweet from Laurence Tribe, minutes ago:
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malaise
(268,998 posts)LOCK HIM UP!!
grumpyduck
(6,235 posts)Really. I thought SCOTUS had ruled that corporations have the same rights as people. If someone can point me to something that clarifies Tribe's comment, I'd appreciate it.
highplainsdem
(48,977 posts)grumpyduck
(6,235 posts)I think I'll get some popcorn ready.
fierywoman
(7,683 posts)calimary
(81,265 posts)Thanks for finding this, highplainsdem!
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)I sure hope the jig is up for Trump. He's been circling the drain awhile. I yearn for that sucking sound as he goes on down the pipe into the sewer where he belongs.
mentalslavery
(463 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Thanks, highplainsdem!
Volaris
(10,271 posts)It's clearly not Being a Human, as Corporations...arent.
It's clearly not the direct wording of the Constitution, as that document doesn't say anything about corporations at all.
If the Fifth doesn't apply, why does the First?
If the First does apply (and it clearly does, according to the Court), why wouldn't the Fifth?
What's the difference, and whats the functional distinction?
tymorial
(3,433 posts)specifically the 5th. Hale vs Henkel is one (SCOTUS decisions) US vs Sourapas and Crest is another.
Volaris
(10,271 posts)If one Right applies (speech), how does another, NOT?
I'm not saying I want corporations to have even the right of speech (I don't think they should), but how is it logical that they qualify for First Amendment Protections, but not the rest?
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)highplainsdem
(48,977 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Sophia4
(3,515 posts)That's well established.
Of course, who knows with this court.
How can a corporation incriminate itself in terms of criminal culpability? Corporations don't face imprisonment, and that is what the Fifth Amendment's bar against self-incrimination is about -- potential prison sentences.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)as people. In addition to the people at the corporation also donating. Once you go down that slippery slope....
George II
(67,782 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)rwsanders
(2,603 posts)Totally sick perverted concept promoted by a sick and perverted right-wing supreme court.
The only concept that approaches that one for shear fatuousness is that money is a form of speech. If that is so, I want all my debtors to know that I'm no longer talking to them and they can't make me.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)He claimed he was planning to divest, but I don't remember if he ever actually did it. The kiddies were supposed to be managing things on their own, and they were to never discuss family business with their father while he was POTUS. That was the original plan, but as far as I know, it never happened.
So if divestiture never happened, I guess it means Cheeto is resposible for crimes that were committed even while he was off campaigning? Would he be responsible for crimes the company committed while he's been President, since he didn't divest?
Asking for a friend.
lastlib
(23,233 posts)I'm sure it would've jumped out at me if he had, but--nada. Best guess is, he still holds. And would still be on the hook.
rsdsharp
(9,177 posts)the Fifth Amendment is a testimonial privilege. It does not apply to documents or other tangible items. If it did, anyone (any living person) could defeat a subpoena or search warrant merely by invoking the privilege.
orangecrush
(19,554 posts)Great post!
Gothmog
(145,231 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,104 posts)I attended a lecture last night with Trump expert, journalist, and law professor, David Cay Johnston.
He discussed corporations being recognized as "People" under the 14th Amendment. Recognized for having political rights. (Citizens United). And recognized for having religious rights. (Hobby Lobby).
It's a matter of time before a rogue Supreme Court grants them criminal protection as well.