California Democrats agree they have too many candidates for Congress. What to do about them is the

[Eliot Rosewater]

California Democrats agree they have too many candidates for Congress. What to do about them is the problem

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-democrats-narrowing-house-fields-20180224-story.html

Democratic activists in Orange County threw an impromptu party with cake, party hats and singing after Republican Rep. Darrell Issa announced he was retiring.

But the exhilaration over the opportunity to capture a Republican congressional seat quickly turned to political panic.

All these new progressives running, might just FUCK Things up...

There are so many Democrats running for Congress in some districts that they could split the votes in the June 5 primary and send two Republicans to the November election,

guess who wrote the proposition

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210368777

[bearsfootball516]

1. Decide who is the strongest, then the weaker ones bite the bullet and step back.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. They wont step back, watch. The people doing this do NOT have the PARTY

in mind, not at all.

They will FUCK the party if they can.

just watch

I wish more were talking about this

[bearsfootball516]

3. I think you're being a little cynical.

Yes, it will mess up our chances there. But I don't think they're intentionally trying to create chaos. It's the same as around the country, a record number of Democrats are running for seats because they're unhappy with the Trump administration. Enthusiasm is a good thing.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Let's find out, in at least two districts it IS a problem, will certain candidates bow out?

Oh and I am more than just cynical about this new group of people doing this.

[R B Garr]

4. So they are going to do nothing but attack Democrats

and each other and the Republicans can just sit back and laugh.

A few months ago, I heard the tail end of a radio interview in the car with a very moderate sounding Republican (didn’t get the name), but he was already starting in on California Democrats being extreme compared to the rest of the country. Yeah, I knew exactly what he was getting at....

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. And

"What I would like to do is ship all these candidates to a deserted island for a season of 'Survivor,' " Terra Lawson-Remer, who leads the Flip the 49th grassroots group, said on the call.

Democrats also see possible trouble in the 39th Congressional District, set mostly in northeastern Orange County and currently represented by Rep. Ed Royce, who is retiring. There are at least eight Democratic candidates, and only one with experience as an elected official.

The fears are well founded. In 2012, when the top-two primary system began, the same dynamic cost Democrats a congressional seat in the Inland Empire despite a 5 percentage point advantage in voter registration.

Like I asked, I dont know who initially proposed this on the ballot. It SEEMS beneficial to our party but it actually isnt for this reason and it is ONLY a problem if a certain GROUP decides to run too many candidates.


fuckers

[R B Garr]

9. Yup, and it wont even take much cynicism or exaggeration

on the GOP’s part to paint them all into a corner. Of course we can’t talk too much more here, so...

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. Need to go PM if we want to talk unconditional support of D party.

[R B Garr]

12. Yes, I hear you...

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. OH look at tHIS Fucking GEM of info

these are how many dem candidates are running in these districts

#CA01 4

#CA04 4

#CA08 3

#CA10 6

#CA21 1

#CA22 3

#CA23 4

#CA25 5

#CA39 9

#CA42 2

#CA45 4

#CA48 8

#CA49 4

#CA50 3

I need to post in the CA board nonstop about this

[Lordquinton]

17. Please don't

We don't need out of state disruptors.

[R B Garr]

18. Right. This isnt Vermont...

No out of state disrupters.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. The usual suspects seem to like this proposition that HURTS California Democratic partry

Amazing how a certain group of people dont seem bothered at all by this REPUBLICAN PROPOSITION in CA ...

[Lordquinton]

30. Amazing how a certain group has come to a conclusion and is calisplaining it to us

You don't know what you're talking about, it's very clear. The only way it hurts the California Dem party is that it opened the door for more right wing dems to push out the more progressive ones. Which you would know if you had actually researched the issue, instead of reading what you wanted to and ignored people who live here and have experienced the shift in the state from blue to more blue. Yea, a republican may win a solid red district down south, the only people surprised are from out of state.

[R B Garr]

31. You have provided a good example of the superficial,

predictable, and completely bizarre and self-serving narratives that will be used to attack other Democrats. No one had to research anything — we’ve all seen it already. “right wing Dems to push out the more progressive ones”. A perfect example of what to expect.

[Lordquinton]

34. You're right, some people haven't researched anything

I haven't done much because I live there and seen it happen. California is going to be fine, there will be a Dem in place. The DCCC should focus on races in red States where we can make gains instead of working up a lather over the bluest state in the union.

[R B Garr]

38. Ah, yes. Always blame Democrats. Just another example

of what we have to look forward. Empty useless eye-rolling insults.

[Lordquinton]

42. You do hand out a lot of those

And underlines that you aren't listening to those who live here or doing any substantive research.

You're wasting the parties energy and time attacking dems I'm California. It's disrespectful and hurts us, and is perpetuating the Republican lie that California can't handle it's affairs.

[R B Garr]

44. LOL, the bubble world of the wannabes strikes again.

It shouldn’t be a shock that others live in California or that millions of people rejected the revolution propaganda. Yes, I live here. Millions more who think like me live here. California handled its affairs just fine — I have not heard that so-called Republican lie.

It is not hurting Democrats by supporting them and voting for them. How utterly absurd. But your posts are just more proof of the inane insults that will be in store. Every one of your replies just proves me right.

[R B Garr]

32. Yes, and that response to you shows the attacks on Democrats to

come...inane purity tests.

[Lordquinton]

35. I'm not the one attacking dems

There is someone condemning Dems for daring to run for political positions and saying if they don't drop they are hurting the party.

Look, it's clear neither of you have any idea what's going on in California, do your research and come back later.

[R B Garr]

37. I live and vote here and see the results.

The results are what have not been accepted. Elected Democrats are being targeted if they don’t cater to Revolution tactics. It certainly is no secret what is going on. The comments were about the foolish tactics—still on display.

But please proceed—tell people they are out of touch and ignorant. It worked so well the last time. (lost by millions)...

[Lordquinton]

43. Oh you do live here?

Then you know that this bill backfired massively on the Republicans and has resulted in them being swept out of the state. You know that your scare tactics of "we have to fight the Republicans before we even think about working on ourselves" does not apply here, because we have done that, unless you're demanding 100% purity before any action.

You're also attacking other Dems, remember you're talking about how many people have "D" after their name, no talk at all about other candidates, just Dems.

No proof either, that's because you have none, because the proof doesn't support your position.

[R B Garr]

46. Yes, I live here! How odd that you think others cant live

here, as if only you have a say. Millions and millions of people live here, including me. I live here!

The fact that the GOP aligns with so-called Independents and solicits them has not changed. They want people like you to fight other Democrats so they don’t have to. That bill was 10 years ago, but that hasn’t changed, I find it funny that the Revolution put so much stock in California and came up short. I’ll stick with the majority—you can stick with the inane insults and attacks.

And obviously you didn’t read the article. It is talking about the damage attacking Democrats will do in the seats mentioned. Read the article. Or not—actually it is better that you just attack /- people can see the empty revolution tactics again. Just like I said, attack other Democrats and empty purity tests. This is what is in store, No thanks,

[Lordquinton]

47. I thought you didn't live here because of your words

You are acting like you have no clue what's been going on in this state.

I find it interesting that you're labeling anyone who disagrees with you as an enemy. Now I'm a member of the "revolution" or something. It's like you haven't read anything I've been saying. You've made your conclusion, now you have to shape the conversation to match it. Too common around here.

Whelp, have fun making a mountain out of a mole hill!

[R B Garr]

50. You are proving me correct with every nasty insinuation

and accusation. The false superiority is also recognizable. You are just proving me right with these tactics. Insulting people is what we have to look forward to.

You should read the article since you are confused over what this thread is about.

[R B Garr]

19. There is no excuse for that. Thank you for posting the

realities of Democrats fighting each other.

[Lordquinton]

36. What realities?

There is no info in that post. Just scare tactics.

[R B Garr]

39. Yeah, the scare tactics. Trying to force elected Democrats

out of office in California because...Vermont. Yes, the scare tactics...

[Lordquinton]

41. I don't know what conversation you're in

But it's nothing to do with anything I said.

And thanks for confirming that you are refusing to actually do your homework before taking up a crusade where you're not wanted.

[R B Garr]

45. I am so glad that the Revolution does not want me!

The best news ever. Inane insults, trying to recall elected politicians with empty purity tests, losing elections by MILLIONS — no thanks. I’ll stick with the majority of Californians who rejected that.

[Lordquinton]

48. You seem really confused

Nothing you said has anything to do with the topic at hand, other than your ignorance at California politics.

[R B Garr]

49. You seem confused, too. Your ignorance of California politics

is also evident. It’s funny how you think your revolution tactics aren’t obvious. They are not a secret.

edit-I also know Hillary beat both opponents here by millions. I’ll stick with the majority — no losing.

[Tatiana]

7. The party needs to come together on this one.

Pick the top two strongest candidates and move on with life.

These are not ordinary times. We have to WIN and win BIGLY.

Commission some polling. Find out who has the highest favorables and name recognition.

But also find a spot within the party for those who sincerely threw their name in the hat to help take back this country.

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. The party wont be the problem here. The party knows what to do.

We shall see if these NEW members running do the right thing or not.


FUCK

"We don't have the power to force anyone out. We are trying to do this in a respectful manner because this is America," Lieu said. "But if you've got candidates that are polling at 2% or 4% in some districts … there's zero path to victory."

The DCCC has done polling showing Democrats could easily be shut out in some of these crucial California contests. At least two polls of voters in the 39th and 49th districts show it's entirely possible two Republicans would break through and leave Democrats with a missed opportunity.

[Tatiana]

11. Well, but you can't just force someone to drop out without providing evidence why.

That's why they need to do the polling.

The last thing we need is hurt feelings and more bitterness. The more we can do to create a team environment, the better.

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. OH for christ sake, NO

what we need to do is REMOVE THE NAZIS from our government THEN worry about whether or not this candidate or that candidate is pure enough

[Gothmog]

15. For this thread

Link to tweet

[Eliot Rosewater]

16. Yep, and I know how this happened and why. FUCK I wish people would pay attention

If you WANTED to harm the party you could NOT come up with a better way to do it.

I still want to know who was BEHIND the proposition in 2010 to do this?

[R B Garr]

40. Yes, it is proven fact now that the GOP promotes Indies

to split Democrats. There was some Green Party guy just found to be on the GOP payroll.

Of course, Independents never win anything but like to demonize Democrats — perfect for the Republicans. No wonder the GOP left Bernie alone.

[OnDoutside]

20. I wonder have, or could, they involve President Obama to try broker a resolution ?

[Cha]

21. Indies and repubs? They need to stay the

hell away from Democratic Primaries.

Mahalo, Eliot!

[David__77]

23. There is no California Democratic primary.

It doesn’t exist.

[Eliot Rosewater]

25. Exactly and in CA that can only help repubs..period

[David__77]

29. Who do you think should drop out?

Based on the results of polls? The state party didn’t even endorse in all races.

[Cha]

26. Oh I know.. it's so predictable.

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. REPUBLICAN wrote the prop

So the people on DU who are not bothered by it are to be avoided.

You notice I NEVER respond to people I think might work for ....you know...

[Cha]

33. It's helps repubs or

they wouldn't bother with the proposition.

[demosincebirth]

22. We have that tendency - to some how shoot ourselves in the foot. I've seen it many times in my

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seventy eight years as a democrat. Progressives some how don't realize that all politics are local. In this district only a moderate democrat can win that seat.

[walkingman]

51. Send the excess to Texas - we could use some California influence!!!

[lunasun]

53. There's a plethora of dem candidates for many of the Illinois elections coming up but at least

here we have two separate open primaries so in the general at the end, its 1R. vs 1D,. but anyone can vote in one party's primary just not vote in both

It has more to do with blanket winners in CA IMO than the fact there is a multitude of candidates

That is happening in many places this year.
Many people are running, but just not with same results CA could give from prop 14

I have no problem with a crowed primary here and am happy to see so many candidates up to the challenge not upset at all. Different wings of the dem party participating in debates etc.
So many good choices here that so many say it is hard to choose

... By March 21 IL will have decided for each of the general election races the winner D and winner R for Nov. (unless unopposed and of course any additional parties running)

To me that is the difference -prop 14