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Seth Abramson: "Trump stole the election" (Original Post) triron Mar 2018 OP
5) profit. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #1
Like, lots of profit. Saviolo Mar 2018 #8
Yes They Did! Again!!!!! Nt Anon-C Mar 2018 #2
Well then, that means tRump's a CRIMINAL Blue Owl Mar 2018 #3
Many, many things mean that. dchill Mar 2018 #5
Yes indeed NRaleighLiberal Mar 2018 #4
Welcome to the party . . . peggysue2 Mar 2018 #6
This is not new for Seth Abramson Eyeball_Kid Mar 2018 #10
agreed - Seth has been way ahead of the mainstream media NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #21
Seth Abramson is anything but late on these issues JI7 Mar 2018 #20
He left out an important part. There is not a DAMN thing that can be done about it... Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #7
Partially correct 2left4u Mar 2018 #9
Yes, and they were in some other people's ears as well. Fla Dem Mar 2018 #19
I think Giuliani and some others in the "Trumplandia" section of the NYC FBI NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #22
I'm glad someone else remembers the FBI being referred to as "Trumplandia" Poiuyt Mar 2018 #30
I think it's a specific area NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #32
Remember Rudy saying "we have a few tricks up our sleeve"? triron Mar 2018 #31
Yep. And I would bet my next paycheck that orange asshat Volaris Mar 2018 #41
Wasn't DallasNE Mar 2018 #11
That means Trump played Comey... lame54 Mar 2018 #12
The republican party certainly played Comey. Egnever Mar 2018 #14
comey didn't get "played" he went along willingly unblock Mar 2018 #17
While at a base level I agree Egnever Mar 2018 #13
that doesn't make it remotely right. on the other hand, i will admit that unblock Mar 2018 #18
If you're suggesting that Comey got ratfucked, I'd agree. Volaris Mar 2018 #42
The RF'ing GOP expected Comey to protect the FBI and he did bigbrother05 Mar 2018 #44
I said that on election night malaise Mar 2018 #15
So did I. BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #25
One of my sisters said that malaise Mar 2018 #26
But he didn't "win". The election was stolen. Count the ways onit2day Mar 2018 #38
The history books will wonder how idiotic this country would have to be to elect him of all people. BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #43
Bush stole 2000 in the open and 2004 via Ohio hijinks bigbrother05 Mar 2018 #45
If we get to be in charge again we need to have a strong base BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #47
He stole the White House. She won. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #16
They stole the election askyagerz Mar 2018 #23
The Comey announcement made a clear imapct bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #27
Yeah I'm not taking much faith in any 2016 poll askyagerz Mar 2018 #28
One word not being used is illegitimate . Enoki33 Mar 2018 #24
Yes he did. But we knew that all along lunamagica Mar 2018 #29
I dont believe CLinton would have won if not for Comey. This election was compromised on Amaryllis Mar 2018 #33
+1,000,000 This! Once again, here is Greg Palast's article on how election 2016 was stolen diva77 Mar 2018 #34
All of that plus Russia and a lot of other GOP dirty tricks and malfeasance. Amaryllis Mar 2018 #36
Absolutely! diva77 Mar 2018 #37
Well said. I wish people would memorize these stats onit2day Mar 2018 #39
Bet you any amount if we ever get to closely analyze what CA did, the BIGGEST effort mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #35
What I See Is A Connecting Of The Dots DallasNE Mar 2018 #40
The unfortunate fact is that Russia doesn't HAVE to be involved in this targetting ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #50
100% BlueJac Mar 2018 #46
K&R Scurrilous Mar 2018 #48
Not that it matters, but hotrod0808 Mar 2018 #49
Trump reminds me of Elmer Gantry quartz007 Mar 2018 #51

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
8. Like, lots of profit.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 01:57 PM
Mar 2018

Unbelievable amounts of profit. The increase in profit that they're getting is higher than what most people make in 10 years, and that's just the INCREASE.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
6. Welcome to the party . . .
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 01:35 PM
Mar 2018

Seth Abramson! Some of us saw this reality some 18 months ago. But better late than never.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
10. This is not new for Seth Abramson
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:04 PM
Mar 2018

He's been screaming about Trumpy as a Russian asset and sociopath for several months. He's not late to the show. If anything, he stood in line before anyone else showed up.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
7. He left out an important part. There is not a DAMN thing that can be done about it...
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 01:38 PM
Mar 2018

if he doesn't serve the full 4 years, it wont be for stealing an election.

 

2left4u

(186 posts)
9. Partially correct
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 01:59 PM
Mar 2018

Trump isn't smart enough to do all that.

The Russians did it, they just told Trump where to go and what to say.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
22. I think Giuliani and some others in the "Trumplandia" section of the NYC FBI
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:58 PM
Mar 2018

played a big role as well.

Poiuyt

(18,123 posts)
30. I'm glad someone else remembers the FBI being referred to as "Trumplandia"
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:33 PM
Mar 2018

That the FBI is against Trump is a bunch of crap.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
32. I think it's a specific area
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:43 PM
Mar 2018

within the NY FBI. They basically blackmailed Comey into re-opening the investigation, and then had Chaffetz leak the re-opening to the media.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
41. Yep. And I would bet my next paycheck that orange asshat
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:46 AM
Mar 2018

Knew it at the WHCDinner...yeah he was pissed at being made fun of, but the fix was ALREADY in, he ALREADY knew he was Putin's Sweet Little Suki, and that was when it dawned on him that this was going to be right up his hateful, vengful little alley.

He KNEW THEN. I'd bet my NEXT paycheck that McConnell knew then, too.k

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
11. Wasn't
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:05 PM
Mar 2018

McCabe just fired over one of those leaks Comey feared?

On the campaign trail Trump was pushing hard for this outcome putting extreme pressure on the FBI and The Leadership was too weak to withstand the pressure so they gave Trump what they wanted. The rest is history.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
14. The republican party certainly played Comey.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:14 PM
Mar 2018

Ghouliani and his New York cronies specifically played Comey with the help of the republican house.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
17. comey didn't get "played" he went along willingly
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:25 PM
Mar 2018

mayyyybe, maybe somewhat begrudingly.

but willingly.


revealing things officially because someone else might leak it unofficially really makes no sense.
tell the would-be leakers to f*** off, tell them not to leak, tell them you'll have them prosecuted if appropriate, whatever.

the *last* thing you would do is violate at least *two* departmental policies to steal the thunder of would-be leakers.

the "he got played" angle just doesn't add up. these people are trained in how to handle discussions about classified information -- in the public sphere, you neither confirm nor deny. you just refuse to get into it. him revealing something he shouldn't in order to beat the leakers to the punch is like confirming or denying a public conjecture about classified information -- you just don't do it.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
13. While at a base level I agree
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:12 PM
Mar 2018

October surprises are not new and pretty widely excepted as fair game if somewhat nefarious.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
18. that doesn't make it remotely right. on the other hand, i will admit that
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 02:30 PM
Mar 2018

this dirty trick (abusing governmental/investigative/prosecutorial powers to smear a presidential candidate) is actually pretty tame compared to scuttling vietnam peace talks or making a deal with terrorists to make sure 52 americans would be held hostages *longer*.


again, though, that doesn't remotely make it right or acceptable.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
42. If you're suggesting that Comey got ratfucked, I'd agree.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 01:01 AM
Mar 2018

Should he have been smarter than that, more Professional?
Yes absolutley.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
44. The RF'ing GOP expected Comey to protect the FBI and he did
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:08 AM
Mar 2018

Comey responded to avoid having the FBI appear complicit in tipping the election against Trump. That would have been used to poison any investigations into Russia/Trump after the election.

The same pressure was used on the WH, but they didn't have all the facts because of the FBI withholding info on how bad it was until after the election.

McConnell & Ryan are as guilty as anyone in this conspiracy.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
25. So did I.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:43 PM
Mar 2018

I said the Moron would win from the minute he entered the race on the golden escalator. My friend's were sick of me saying so. When Comey appeared 10 days before the election everyone I had complained to for 18 months realized I was right. I (along with Bill Maher and Michael Moore) were not in good moods going into the election. We knew it would be bad but not quite this horrific though. No one could have predicted this daily nightmare.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
43. The history books will wonder how idiotic this country would have to be to elect him of all people.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 01:50 AM
Mar 2018

The question will be, "How did they allow that to happen to the country?".

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
45. Bush stole 2000 in the open and 2004 via Ohio hijinks
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:22 AM
Mar 2018

Why would anyone think the GOP wouldn't do it again.

My fear is what happens after this pig is thrown out and a Dem gets us back on track.

The next GOP prez could very well be the antichrist given the trajectory they've followed.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
47. If we get to be in charge again we need to have a strong base
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:07 AM
Mar 2018

and keep it. Also, get rid of Fux Ruse within a week of the Dem inauguration. Then we stand a chance.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
23. They stole the election
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:03 PM
Mar 2018

But im convinced it was because of facebook and the hate campaign they used there. Those people's fears were played like a fiddle.
I honestly don't think the fbi reopening the investigation swayed many people at that point. The people who were going to vote for trump were going to anyway. So that just leaves the question did it keep potential Hillary voters home? I think the polling expectations did that more then anything. Most people thought she had it in the bag.
It was a perfect storm.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
27. The Comey announcement made a clear imapct
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 03:54 PM
Mar 2018

Hillary was leading by 5-6 points in most swings states, then after the announcement, she plummeted to 1-2.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
28. Yeah I'm not taking much faith in any 2016 poll
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 04:00 PM
Mar 2018

Actual voters minds were setup by then. The main damage was done well before then in the swing states. Even if it did sway 1% she should have still been able to win. The propaganda campaign against her was very effective

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
33. I dont believe CLinton would have won if not for Comey. This election was compromised on
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 09:27 PM
Mar 2018

so many fronts between Russia and GOP attacks. I was predicting Hillary would lose when i read summer of 2016 that Russia had hacked the voter reg databases and that was before Comey.

diva77

(7,640 posts)
34. +1,000,000 This! Once again, here is Greg Palast's article on how election 2016 was stolen
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 09:55 PM
Mar 2018
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

The Election Was Stolen – Here’s How…

Friday, November 11, 2016

Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

On Tuesday, we saw Crosscheck elect a Republican Senate and as President, Donald Trump. The electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters, methods detailed in my book and film, including “Caging,” “purging,” blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to “provisional” ballots that will never be counted.
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and McTurtle had prior knowledge, as demonstrated by his obstruction of Obama's SC nominee
 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
39. Well said. I wish people would memorize these stats
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:50 PM
Mar 2018

It lays it out so the theft can easily be identified. This PINO, Ugly American, leader of this political cult will go down in history as an ugly divisive stain on America where Don the Con slithered his way into the highest office of the land.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
35. Bet you any amount if we ever get to closely analyze what CA did, the BIGGEST effort
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:08 PM
Mar 2018

we'll see that they made ... was targeting Bernie voters, trying to get them to stay home or vote Trump.

That's why they trumpeted the SHIT out of the DWS/DNC emails that suggested Bernie was treated unfairly. The Media, like the idiots they are, happily parroted that story quite a few times.

Basically CA figured out that Trump's 'ticket' to win was to get Bernie's people to stay home. I'm sure they also worked to firm up 'support' with all kinds of 'don't forget to VOTE, it's YOUR DUTY' and the like messaging on social media ... but ONLY for people they knew were voting for Trump.

People they calc'd were wanting Bernie I would BET were inundated 'Hillary is TOO EVIL and CORPORATE and ZOMG HER WS Speeches and ZOMG She CHEATED Bernie, you CAN'T vote for Her!' messages. That, and 'There's really not much diff between Hill and Trump so why even bother voting' messaging.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
40. What I See Is A Connecting Of The Dots
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:14 AM
Mar 2018

I have always wondered how Russia was able to so masterful!y target the right voters on a massive scale. It surprised me that they would have the necessary accessibility to pull it off. Some of us thought WikiLeaks had to somehow be involved in order to pull it off. Then along comes this data and suddenly the picture clears up.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
50. The unfortunate fact is that Russia doesn't HAVE to be involved in this targetting ...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 06:11 PM
Mar 2018

It may turn out the closest to actual collusion we get is the stolen docs from DNC and Podesta, carried out by actors that were probably sufficiently removed from Putin that 'colluding with Russia' remains 'tenuous'.

However, if it can shown that Trump campaign colluded with bad foreign actors, that's still pretty bad.

As is what CA engaged in, in general.

hotrod0808

(323 posts)
49. Not that it matters, but
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:11 PM
Mar 2018

Comey will always be hated in my house for this. How can a supposedly experienced, intelligent person fall for this? He either wanted Trump in office, or hated Clinton so much that he wanted to keep the pressure on her during her term. Either way, he is a shitty individual, and deserves a long, miserable life.

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