2-year-old girl dies after parents treat her pneumonia with prayers and anointing oil instead of med

[yuiyoshida]

A Jury has been seated in the trial of a Pennsylvania couple whose 2-year-old daughter died after they tried to treat her pneumonia with prayer and religious oils.

Jonathan and Grace Anne Foster have been charged with involuntary manslaughter and endangering the welfare of a child in the Nov. 8, 2016, death of Ella Grace Foster, reported the Reading Eagle.

The couple did not seek medical care for the sick child due to their religious beliefs, and instead asked Pastor Rowland Foster — the girl’s grandfather — to pray over her and anoint her with oils.

The toddler had a sore throat and struggled to sleep the night before she died, and she stopped breathing in her father’s arms after her mother called him to their Upper Tulpehocken Township home from work.

A forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy testified in a previous hearing that Ella Grace would have been fighting to breathe and coughing uncontrollably due to pneumonia, and he told the court any reasonable person would have concluded she needed medical care.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/2-year-old-girl-dies-parents-treat-pneumonia-prayers-anointing-oil-instead-medicine/

TRUMPS AMERICA!! MAGA IS GOING great, yeah? Thoughts and Prayers Republicans!

[Beartracks]

1. Asking for Help

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[zipplewrath]

5. Truck, two boats and a helicopter

In my catholic days, I was in church when an assistant pastor actually told the "joke" about the person who declined help when a truck, two boats, and a helicopter tried to "save" her from a flood. The punch line of course is that God explains that he sent a truck, two boats and a helicopter but she refused them all. But I really think that even the most liberal Catholics don't get the point.

[Beartracks]

6. I learned that version in a Catholic setting, too.

I think. Or maybe it was one of my siblings... But we were all church-goers, so it perhaps came from a clergy or a teacher... But anyway, I always had the impression that Catholics generally understood the point of the story.

As for the image I posted, it was the first one I found that illustrated the point, even though the story is rather abbreviated.

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[zipplewrath]

9. Your's was fine

Didn't mean to undermine your point. Quite the opposite, I intended to suggest that Catholics occasionally understand, even when they don't know why so to speak. It's a fairly universal idea that it is easy to over estimate a deities help, an underestimate their power. At least with the Catholic Clergy.

[pnwmom]

16. "even the most liberal Catholics don't get the point." You don't know many liberal Catholics.

Every one I know WOULD get the point.

[Aristus]

12. The West Wing. "Take This Sabbath Day":

[zipplewrath]

2. So uncomfortable

This is so silly in this day and age that we have to debate this crap. As someone who made and "unconventional" decision about medical care, I understand the need to allow people to make their own choices. But we need to find the place where we say "no". We need to find the place where we say "you're not attempting to do it a different way, you're attempt to make someone die to validate your own world/spiritual world".

[onecaliberal]

3. Lock them up.

[ProudLib72]

4. Fuck thoughts and prayer

She needed shots and care.

This is Dark Ages bullshit!

[yuiyoshida]

7. "Shots and care..."

Good one!

[ProudLib72]

10. I've had pneumonia twice

Both times I was sick for a month. I could not get out of bed for more than a couple hours a day. I couldn't lift anything over a few pounds. I remember going to the hospital for some reason about a year after one of the bouts. The took an x-ray of my chest. There were scars on my lungs. Both times I was in my 20s and fairly healthy. I cannot imagine what it would be like for a two year old!

[jmowreader]

8. This one calls for thoughts and prayers

I think and pray that the Fosters need to have their parental rights revoked before they're sent to the Pennsylvania State License Plate Factory for the rest of their useless lives.

[lpbk2713]

11. The baby was suffering.

And her caregivers were depending on superstition to save her.

WTF is wrong with this picture?

[Mariana]

13. To be fair, these people have always been with us.

Some Christians were killing their children this way long before Trump came along, and some Christians will be doing it long after he's gone.

[milestogo]

17. Agreed.

I knew of an 11 year old boy who died from lack of treatment for diabetes about 30 years ago. He was never taken to a doctor because the church leaders told the parents that it would show a lack of faith and that the boy's illness was punishment for the sin of masturbating.

The leaders went to prison and the parents lost custody of their other children. A lot of people in this particular "church" woke up but it was too late for that sick little boy.

[lindysalsagal]

14. Don't tell me: Let me guess, They're "pro-life." Right?

[colsohlibgal]

15. Despicable

This is so disgusting and I hope they get locked up for life. I am agnostic but if there is a Hell there are 2 more prime candidates.

[greyl]

18. Our society's money says "In God We Trust".

How can it blame them for taking that seriously?

Take "God" off of the money, tax churches, and fund schools.

[Major Nikon]

19. Kind of appropriate for the world's largest confidence trick

[DFW]

20. That is not involuntary manslaughter

That is first degree murder. Plenty of premeditation.