The Second Amendment crowd is as dishonest as they are crazy.

[NCTraveler]

Ninety percent of the conversation being held today has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. They are simply attempting to claim we oppose the constitutional. Just about every reform being mentioned on a large scale is one hundred percent constitutionally grounded. Codified by the courts already.

They are the ones attempting to subvert the constitution. Not us.

The Second Amendment is not an absolute right to own a gun. Not even close. Our Second Amendment friends don't understand the constitution and court system, period.

[aikoaiko]

1. No one is claiming the 2nd is an absolute right any more than there are folks looking to ban all gun

At least I don't see any serious folks taking either extreme positions.

But there can be legitimate differences of opinions on what access to firearms, if any, should be protected when protecting the people's right to keep and bear arms.

*editing to avoid taking verbal shortcuts

[NCTraveler]

2. It is absolutely being referenced by many as an absolute right.

There is no question about that. News program after news program has NRA lackeys and gun humpers on them talking about the anti-second amendment crowd. When the people they are referencing are discussing things that are clearly constitutional, they are making an absolutist argument.

[aikoaiko]

4. Making the case that someone is taking an anti-2nd A position is not the same thing...

...as claiming an absolutist stance on the RKBA.

It does seem like there are a lot of people who want to caricaturize the other side.

[Adrahil]

6. Go to any gun nut website...

It is a common talking point that "shall not be infringed" means it's an absolute, unlimited right. They are nuts.

[aikoaiko]

7. Yes, I can find people who want to ban all or restrict none on the internet.

But neither position can be taken seriously.

I frequent a couple of gun rights forums and most people who post support some limits or restrictions.

[LanternWaste]

11. Completely banning a women's choice is also called "a position not to be taken seriously..."

Completely banning a women's choice is also called "a position not to be taken seriously..." when particular narratives are not being reinforced by events or by reality.

[Hoyt]

13. Only when pushed up against the wall. NRA and most supporters who are too cheap to pay dues, say

"from my cold dead hands."

And, a big swatch of gunners are big into Molon Labe (come and take em) intimidation.


Care to share any names of the gun rights forums you frequent? Would love to quote some of their comments/posts.

[AgadorSparticus]

15. You are lucky you don't have to hear people spewing these extremes. I hear it all the time.

All the pro gun nuts seem to say the same thing: I will be cold and dead before I let you come take my guns. They NEVER talk about background checks, mental health checks, assault weapons, etc. NEVER. It is about their god given right and constitutional right to stockpile whatever they want.

[uponit7771]

16. Yeah, yeah they are ... they don't have a right to own an AR-15 or any other war weapon at ...

... every setting but the language they use is filled with such rights

[Heartstrings]

3. I just love the owning a gun is my god given right excuse....

No, no I don't.....no where does God state it is your right to own anything!

[aikoaiko]

5. Those claims are based on a long history of Natural Law legal reasoning.

I''m not really qualified to elaborate, but its interesting reading.

[Adrahil]

10. ...and pretty useless...

The 18th century concept of "natural law" uses a kind of "self evidence" argument. But the problem with that argument is there is no actual textual basis for it.

[Initech]

8. The 2nd Amendment crowd merged with the paranoid conspiracy theory wing of the GOP.

This is what happens when the inmates have been let out of the asylum.

[LexVegas]

9. Crazy gun humpers. nt

[Hoyt]

12. Yeah, but they can identify bolt catch springs vs. hammer springs and are OCD about gun nomenclature

and they like rattling off their opinion about the best ammo to kill teenagers vs. obese old guys. It's impressive.



Just in case--

[moondust]

14. Scare tactics.

I'm ashamed to admit that I have a gun wacko cousin who posted a scary gun control image on Facebook that he apparently got from some crazy Ted Cruz website. It's the old Holocaust meme that tries to scare people into thinking that gun control could lead to another Holocaust, similar to this:



I pointed him to the Wikipedia examination of that meme that notes how "preposterous" it is to argue that the Jews, who constituted only one percent of the German population, could have somehow saved themselves if they had only had more guns.

Crazy, dishonest, and utterly despicable to try to use the Holocaust to scare people away from sensible gun control. I thought by now with all the information available to the Average Joe that most people would know that other countries don't have anywhere near the recurring gun tragedies that the U.S. has because of its insane gun culture. I was wrong.