Kurt Eichenwald tweeting pictures of Roseanne posing as domestic Hitler burning human-shaped cookies

[icymist]

Link to tweet

This is so horrible, I have trouble believing it is real. Everything I find says it is. @therealroseanne: If u did this, one of your "cookies" can represent my great-aunt. She was stripped naked, sent to a gas chamber and burned. @RoseanneOnABC: If this is real, get canceled..

The photos appear to be real, not photo-shopped. Even Fox news acknowledges these are real. She did this photo-shoot back in 2009. I have no words except to say that these photos are horrible.

[Blue_Adept]

1. Oh, they're real

People have been posting them as new topics and in existing threads for the past week as the show got closer to broadcast multiple times per day.

Heck, it was posted as a new topic not even an hour ago!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10429031

[saidsimplesimon]

2. I commented on another thread.

We can boycott any sponsors of the show. ABC, you are making a costly mistake, imo.

[icymist]

3. Roseanne Barr Poses as Adolf Hitler in Shocking Photo Spread

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Comedian Roseanne Barr has seriously pushed the bar with a new photo spread that depicts her as a domesticated version of Adolf Hitler for Jewish humor magazine Heeb.

At her request, Heeb photographed Barr wearing the infamous Hitler moustache and a swastika, holding and preparing to take a bite of what the article refers to as “burnt Jew cookies.”

The shocking photos and interview are the first time the comedian has been seen after a “self-imposed” exile.

The article describes Barr – who is Jewish – as nailing the “Fuehrer’s facial expressions with twisted glee.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/07/31/roseanne-barr-poses-adolf-hitler-shocking-photo-spread.html

Does she really think this is funny?

[Stuart G]

33. The first sentence says this is "new photo spread"..It is 9 years old, it is not "new"

[icymist]

36. I stated above that this was done in 2009.

Putting up this article is to show the photos are real.

[gibraltar72]

54. But it never gets old.

[Skittles]

4. wtf

what happened to her?

[PatSeg]

19. Roseanne

has suffered from mental illness for years and is quite open about it. As a result, her public behavior has often been outrageous and controversial. She has "crossed the line" many times. This apparently is why she stayed away from television for so long. She is supposedly bipolar and has suffered several nervous breakdowns.

[Skittles]

22. how could she possibly find that amusing

does she have no friends, no advisors? It is sick.

[PatSeg]

27. It is hard to know what she was thinking

Roseanne has a long history of inappropriate behavior and poor judgment. I would think the chronic mental illness would be a cause.

[oberliner]

89. It came from a Jewish satirical magazine.

I think Jews should be allowed to mock Hitler.

[underthematrix]

105. Yes. This is what I remember about her as well. I think she's sad.

I've never watched her show but she's a winning brand for Trumpsters. She's hateful angry and mean. The best thing to do is ignore her.

[GusBob]

79. In a bunker under the Reichstag

She and her lover took poison

Their bodyguard burned the bodies with gasoline before the Russians took over the country

Get that

[Mosby]

5. I think it was supposed to be satire

Roseanne is Jewish.

[tazkcmo]

9. More proof

She's not as talented a comedian as she thinks.

[Mosby]

13. that's an understatement. nt

[icymist]

14. Here's a video where she's trying to explain these photos and her views of 'The Left'

[Farmer-Rick]

25. Wow she really is a piece of work

She did it because she hates hope and it's all due to the left's push for political correctness?

Cry baby RepubliCONS all upset because they can't use the N word or be flagrantly racist, bigots, anti GLBT and sexists anymore without repercussions. Cry me a river. She seems to be able to be antisemitic and still get a new show on tv....amazing.

[Skittles]

29. "political correctness" is just an official term for behaving in a decent manner

that's too much to ask of fascist repukes

[yonder]

50. Yes, this.

Politically correct = good manners. Remember "good manners"? Argue without insulting. Don't wipe your nose on your sleeve. Treat others as you might want to be treated. Don't slurp your soup, talk in the library, tease the dog, make fun of others' misfortune, fart in the elevator? Perhaps not sharing political or religious opinions with strangers? Remember?

Some folks have basically co-opted political correctness as "what lefty elitists do" to excuse their own awful, base behavior (bad manners). It gives their coarse nature free reign. So now they can be as ugly, bigoted and hateful as they choose, because otherwise it would be politically correct.

[Kurt V.]

42. Thanks for the video.

[Skittles]

24. to read this, and then see those pictures

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/johan-van-hulst-dutch-schoolteacher-who-saved-hundreds-of-jewish-children-during-holocaust-dies-at-107/2018/03/28/cdbd44c2-31ca-11e8-94fa-32d48460b955_story.html?utm_term=.0b6bf8f31acd

it's not not satire, it is a sickness

[icymist]

66. Thank you for that link.

Great article here.

[Skittles]

67. I read it last night

the man did wonders but could only think of the THOUSANDS of children he could not save

Roseanne is a self-hating Jewish gal who caters to the worst instincts of rightwing assholery

[Mosby]

72. it was posted in the jewish group

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12234163

[oberliner]

90. It is satire

Jews are allowed to make fun of Hitler.

[PatSeg]

26. Yes

It was meant to be rather satirical. The photos were for Heeb Magazine:

n an explanation posted on HEEB’s website soon after the pictures were posted, the magazine’s then-publisher, Joshua Neuman, wrote that the photos were inspired by questions about “whether the taboo against joking about the Holocaust and the Nazis exerted as much power as it used to.”
Read more: https://forward.com/fast-forward/397835/remember-when-roseanne-dressed-as-hitler-for-heeb/

Roseanne is known for using poor judgment throughout the years. This would be one of those times.

[PatrickforO]

38. Well...just me, but even a Jewish magazine joking about the Holocaust is in pretty bad taste.

I'm sorry, but that horrible war cost the world upwards of 60 million lives. If you have ever visited the Holocaust Museum, seen movies like Schindler's List or other things about this era, HOW can you EVER even think a joke about this is going to be OK.

My father fought in the second world war against the tyranny of fascism, and when I saw those nazi thugs marching down our streets at Charlottesville in their filthy brown shirts with their disgusting swastikas, sporting assault weapons and wearing their hatred like some proud badge on their faces, I was furious.

I wanted to puke more than anything else, but this isn't OK. No nazi demonstration or KKK or white nationalist march should ever be held in this country without vigorous and vocal opposition every single step of the way. This cannot be allowed to stand, and what Roseanne might not be understanding here is THESE FANATICS ARE SPONSORED BY PUTIN AND THEY ARE WINNING ALL OVER THE WORLD.

We simply cannot allow hatred to take over our political discourse, and mark my words, nazism rips apart a society's social, moral and economic fabric. Look at Germany. Their 'thousand year reich' based on hatred and intolerance lasted about 12 years. In 1945 the Red Army was marching through the ruins of Berlin - and they lost 300,000 people just in that one battle with the nazi fanatics. Just in the one battle. Russia alone lost over 20 million people. 6 million Jews were murdered. Romany people. Gay people. Disabled people.

Gassed, burned in crematoria, shot in mass executions, starved to death. Look at pictures of the living skeletons at the liberation of Bergen Belsen or Auschwitz, then imagine yourself closed into a cattle car with a hundred others on a death train moving over the steppe.

No, joking about the Holocaust isn't ever acceptable. Not ever. Not to me.

[PatSeg]

44. Well

It was supposed to be a test as to whether the taboo on joking about the Holocaust still exerted as much power as it used to and clearly it does. I personally don't think it was an appropriate way to test that taboo and really see no reason to do so. However, I am relatively sane. I also don't understand why Heeb magazine went along with it. I find that rather strange.

[PatrickforO]

71. Yeah, my extreme negative reaction aside, it seems a bit tone deaf,

doesn't it?

[PatSeg]

83. Very

Something I'd expect from Roseanne given her history of outrageous behavior and mental illness, but I don't understand why Heeb went along with it. I'm sure their entire staff isn't bipolar.

[forgotmylogin]

57. Kathy Griffin.

She was put on the no-fly list and visited by the Secret Service for a similar "satirical" photo. Oh how the right screamed.

The difference is Griffin was joking about one public figure who is alive and well.

[PatSeg]

84. Kathy Griffin came to mind

during this discussion. There certainly is a double standard.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. I can't think of any situation where Shoah jokes are appropriate.

One moment she's comparing Israel to NAZIS, the next moment she is comparing Islam to NAZISM.

She also said Trump opponents oppose him because he likes Jews.

[Cha]

82. roseanne is stupid and full of

Shite.

[oberliner]

86. Have you ever seen The Producers?

[MurrayDelph]

59. So she's Jewish

So is Stephen Miller. Apparently one can be brought up Jewish and still be a Nazi.

[Skittles]

69. correct

anyone can be brainwashed

[liberalhistorian]

109. And so is Jared Kushner, who has

close relatives who suffered during WWII, if I'm not mistaken. Self-hating minorities are a sad, infuriating thing.

[GeorgeGist]

6. God she's ugly ...

on the inside.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

7. I understand she's Jewish, but still how does that excuse anything?

I mean, Kathy Griffin's a pariah now for a bad photo choice.

Al Franken got railroaded out of the Senate for a stupid photo.

I guess Roseanne is different, huh.

[maxrandb]

16. No

Rightwingers get away with this disgusting stuff because all they have to do is scream "liberal bias" and media executives turn-tail and run.

They're such a bunch of worthless cowardly snowflakes.

[mountain grammy]

49. That is so true.

[Texin]

41. She's a Trump supporter. That makes her immune to consequences.

[chuckstevens]

8. No Words. And she is Jewish............

This kind of crap should NEVER be tolerated. The pictures make me almost physically sick!

[oberliner]

88. It was for a Jewish magazine - everyone involved in the creation of this was Jewish

Jewish people are allowed to make fun of Hitler.

Mel Brooks put it best:

It is an inverted seizure of power. For many years Hitler was the most powerful man in the world and almost destroyed us. To posses this power and turn it against him -– it is simply alluring.

[chuckstevens]

98. There is NOTHING remotely funny about this!

[Mr. Ected]

10. I have a feeling these pictures will spell the early demise of her rebooted show

Simply keeping them in the public eye should do the trick.

We have to be smart. We have to fight back. We can't let Trump's America seize a toehold into our culture.

[Wwcd]

11. Has she been on Ingram's show yet? They seem to both make money from the

slaughter of human beings.

They'd have so much to discuss

[hatrack]

12. What. The. Fuck.

.

[maxrandb]

15. C'mon!!!

She's just trying to give us a "realistic look at middle class family life in Hitler's Germany"

[kimbutgar]

17. I watched it because my husband made me

It wasn’t bad but I won’t be putting it on my must see weekly show. I put my must see in my DVR list and I might just forget to do it. If it if doesn’t get recorded, oh well.

[Fullduplexxx]

18. "My husband made me"

[kimbutgar]

20. Yes he feels you cant criticize something unless you have seen it.

[Fullduplexxx]

23. I couldnt get past roseanne as hiltler burning people cookies in her oven

[Hortensis]

58. I like your husband's standard.

[Skittles]

39. I know

*yuck*

[njhoneybadger]

21. WTF is that shit, why would anybody think that is funny

[oberliner]

91. Have you ever read (or heard of) Heeb magazine?

This is what they do.

[dem4decades]

28. She's dumb enough to think Trump's a good president.

She's an idiot, that is all.

[moondust]

30. Paula Deen got hammered

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for using the N-word, arguably less offensive than this consciously staged Roseanne abomination.

Her company issued a statement Thursday saying Deen used the epithet, but in a "quite different time" in American history.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/showbiz/paula-deen-racial-slur/

...Deen had cookery programs, publishing deals and endorsement contracts cancelled by Food Network,[63] Smithfield Foods,[64] Walmart,[65] Target, QVC,[66] Caesars Entertainment,[15] Novo Nordisk,[67] J.C. Penney,[68] Sears, Kmart[69] and her then-publisher Ballantine Books...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Deen#Racial_epithet_controversy

[Liberalagogo]

31. How many coconuts dropped on her head?

Honestly I can't defend her anymore, even if she is just trying to be outrageous for the attention. Sarandon, for all her faults, didn't pull shit like this.

All for the new show, it's kinda meh, and makes no sense. All I want to know is what happened with David and Darlene, and how Mark died.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. Was for HEEB Magazine

https://forward.com/fast-forward/397835/remember-when-roseanne-dressed-as-hitler-for-heeb/

... The 2009 photo shoot, in which Barr appeared in Hitler armband and mustache removing a tray of burnt gingerbread cookies from an oven, was controversial at the time. Former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly inveighed against it, as did Mario Lopez, who on the syndicated gossip show Extra scolded, “Come on, Roseanne. Hitler jokes are never funny.” (Mel Brooks would beg to differ.)

In an explanation posted on HEEB’s website soon after the pictures were posted, the magazine’s then-publisher, Joshua Neuman, wrote that the photos were inspired by questions about “whether the taboo against joking about the Holocaust and the Nazis exerted as much power as it used to.”

Wrote Neuman: “What better way to capture this moment in popular culture than by having the original ‘domestic goddess’ don the Fuhrer’s famous mustache? For better or worse, hasn’t the Holocaust itself been domesticated?” ...

Roseanne, meanwhile, is the Trump-supporting star of the biggest hit on television. Barr was born into a Jewish family and in more recent years has explored the texts and ceremonies of the Jewish priestess movement.

[hatrack]

34. Oh, yeah, I forgot that part where Jewish priestesses put on the Hakenkreuz and fake mustache . . .

Oy.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

43. There's a clearly line between joking about Hitler and joking about the Holocaust.

We know about The Producers. We watched Inglorious Basterds.

We've all see the various fake-subtitled scene from "Downfall" where Hitler's raving and ranting can be applied to just about any off-topic subject.

That's all fine and good. It's fun to laugh at Hitler himself because it allows us to get our kicks in against a man whose actions embody pure evil.

However, that pure evil itself, in the form of the Holocaust, is still very much an untouchable, unspeakable, and unjokeable subject, especially considering there are still victims of the Holocaust still alive.

[moondust]

51. Holocaust survivor murdered last week.

PARIS — An 85-year-old woman who as a child narrowly escaped France’s most notorious wartime roundup of Jews has been murdered in Paris, and the authorities are calling it a hate crime.

The body of the woman, Mireille Knoll, was found on Friday in her apartment in the city’s working-class 11th Arrondissement. She had been stabbed to death, and her body was partly burned after her attackers apparently tried to set fire to the apartment.

~

http://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/world/europe/france-holocaust-survivor-murder.html

[jberryhill]

70. Hogan's Heroes

Again, more about making fun of the German military, and did not touch on any aspect of the Holocaust as far as I can remember.

But I still don't know how that show was pitched - "It's a comedy series about a German POW camp!"

And someone said, "Brilliant!"

[Crunchy Frog]

114. Did you know that Robert Clary who played LeBeau,

Was a survivor of a Nazi death camp, and lost most of his family in the Holocaust?

If he was okay with it, then I am too.

I went to a talk by him a long, long time ago. Really amazing guy.

[oberliner]

87. Have you ever seen Life is Beautiful?

Mel Brooks was bothered by that movie:

SPIEGEL: Can you really separate Hitler from the Holocaust?

Brooks: You have to separate it. For example, Roberto Benigni's comedy “Life Is Beautiful” really annoyed me. A crazy film that even attempted to find comedy in a concentration camp. It showed the barracks in which Jews were kept like cattle, and it made jokes about it. The philosophy of the film is: people can get over anything. No, they can’t. They can’t get over a concentration camp.

SPIEGEL: But the film has deeply moved a lot of people.

Brooks: I always asked myself: Tell me, Roberto, are you nuts? You didn’t lose any relatives in the Holocaust, you’re not even Jewish. You really don’t understand what it’s all about. The Americans were incredibly thrilled to discover from him that it wasn’t all that bad in the concentration camps after all. And that’s why they immediately pressed an Oscar into his hand.

[Stuart G]

37. I found this response from Rosane Barr..(from 2009 on the photo)

Maybe they will be mollified by the comedienne’s explanation on her blog, that she was trying to show that, despite his fanatic devotion to killing Jews, Hitler failed to kill her, and she is alive to mock him.

https://www.thejc.com/we-re-sorry-roseanne-this-really-is-half-baked-humour-1.10733


If you hit the above link, you will see that sentence is in the 8th paragraph from a story about that picture..

Below is the entire 8th paragraph from that story about ..."half baked humour"
______________________________________________________________________________________

There is, though, the matter of the cookies. For those who experienced the Holocaust, and their loved ones, I suspect it is not Roseanne-as-Hitler who offends, but that burned tray of man-shaped cookies. Maybe they will be mollified by the comedienne’s explanation on her blog, that she was trying to show that, despite his fanatic devotion to killing Jews, Hitler failed to kill her, and she is alive to mock him.

[Downtown Hound]

40. It's supposed to be satire

The thing is, it's not even remotely funny.

[CatMor]

55. People get the meaning of good satire without it being explained...

her so called satire was not funny and so bad she had to try and explain it.

[2left4u]

45. What a piece of work

Her show should be boycotted, companies that advertise should be boycotted too...until the show is cancelled.

Nothing funny or humorous in that pic.
Oh wait, I'm sorry. Forgot that was their audience demographics, so they would appreciate the symbolism.

She's one sicko for sure.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. It is beyond disgusting.

Some try to "defend" this shit as satire or point out she's Jewish (yes, Jews can do anti-Semitic shit!), but I have seen countless things mocking Hitler, Nazis, Nazi Germany, even the Holocaust in a general sense, but this, to me, is mocking the VICTIMS! The only time I see people mocking the victims of the Holocaust is when they are ones who approved of it! So, when I see someone invoke "Well, Mel Brooks has done it!" I pretty much know the person is stupid and just looking for a way to justify disgustingly poor taste.

[icymist]

60. I agree completely. I can't believe how some are trying to support a Trump supporter.

I pushed myself to watch the reboot of her show. I was not impressed. Her left leaning sister was made to look crazy and insane, always wearing her 'pussy hat' and 'Nasty Woman' tee-shirt while conservative Roseanne was the sane and reasonable person. Okay, well we all know that Roseanne is a stanch Spanky supporter. The next show, however has the genderqueer grandchild going to school. Roseanne gives the class a speech that she "is a white witch" and is "watching them" in a warning about bullying because of how the kid dresses. The grandfather, John Goodman of all people, gives the child a pocket knife to ward off the bullies. Interesting that there are two children who belong to minorities, a black girl and a genderqueer. Being that these are not adults I view them as token in this show. Like they are saying 'see we have these on our show so we're not racist or bigoted' even when the main character tells her loony left sister to "take a knee" when she says grace. I don't think I need this show in my life at the moment.

[Behind the Aegis]

99. It disgusts me.

However, I am not surprised by those defending this or, rather, making excuses. Maybe it is because I was just at Dachau, Auschwitz, and Birkenau a few months ago, but this is really offensive and I don't give two shits that she is a Jew or it was a now-defunct Jewish magazine that posted it. Every time I see that picture, I want to post one of my own, but instead, I will post this...



Now, for all those "defending" this bullshit, at least they will understand what this Jew sees when he sees her picture.

(Sorry to dump this at your feet, but I had to do this to an ally, because if I actually responded to one of the fucking defenders, I'd get banned for sure!)

BTW...did you ever see my pics? I posted them here...

Birkenau
My Journey to Auschwitz (part 1)
My Journey to Auschwitz (part 2)
When I was at Dachau. (Picture heavy)
When I was at Dachau. (Picture heavy) (part 2)

[ProudLib72]

61. Did you ever read Heeb magazine?

I used to in the early 2000s. There were some interesting articles, but there was also some questionable content. It was that questionable content that made me give up on them after a year or so. It was as if they were pushing the boundaries merely for shock value. Their explanations of the choices they made were piss poor, convoluted nonsense. I really have no idea what audience they were trying to target with their crap.

[Behind the Aegis]

100. I think I read it in passing.

I was talking with my husband, and I think it was one of the ones that first had queer Jews writing openly, but I could be thinking of another magazine. I know I have read some stuff, and some was interesting, but I think they crossed the line here. There are ways to discuss sensitivity around the Holocaust, even provocatively, but this was a step way too far.

[oberliner]

93. I respectfully disagree with that assessment

I don't think it is meant to be mocking the victims but rather mocking Hitler. I grant that the execution is poor, and that it's not funny to me in the way Mel Brooks is, but I do think it is meant in the same vein.

I found "Life is Beautiful" to be more offensive to the victims of the Holocaust.

Mel Brooks put it better than I could:

SPIEGEL: Can you really separate Hitler from the Holocaust?

Brooks: You have to separate it. For example, Roberto Benigni's comedy “Life Is Beautiful” really annoyed me. A crazy film that even attempted to find comedy in a concentration camp. It showed the barracks in which Jews were kept like cattle, and it made jokes about it. The philosophy of the film is: people can get over anything. No, they can’t. They can’t get over a concentration camp.

SPIEGEL: But the film has deeply moved a lot of people.

Brooks: I always asked myself: Tell me, Roberto, are you nuts? You didn’t lose any relatives in the Holocaust, you’re not even Jewish. You really don’t understand what it’s all about. The Americans were incredibly thrilled to discover from him that it wasn’t all that bad in the concentration camps after all. And that’s why they immediately pressed an Oscar into his hand.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/spiegel-interview-with-mel-brooks-with-comedy-we-can-rob-hitler-of-his-posthumous-power-a-406268.html

Anyway, in terms of the Heeb shoot, I didn't think it was all that artfully done, but I get that she and they were going for a Jews saying F- You to Hitler vibe (a sentiment I always support) even if it didn't quite land that way.

[Behind the Aegis]

97. Shocker.

There is a difference between making fun of Hitler and mocking victims. Clearly, you don't see it, though Brooks does! Just because it was a Jewish defunct magazine and a Jewish actress, doesn't make it any less offensive and inappropriate.

[oberliner]

101. Why do you say that? Usually we are on the same page with these issues

I would point out that Mel Brooks did not make any comment with respect to the Roseanne photo shoot that I know of (if you do, please pass it along). I think Life is Beautiful trivialized the concentration camp in the ways that Brooks described. This photo was not meant to do that, I don't think.

Based on what she said and what the editors at the time said, the idea was to show that Hitler holds no power over Jewish people and that we, as Jews, are free to make grotesque caricatures of him as we see fit. This notion of presenting Hitler as some kind of gleefully monstrous and sadistic baker I think was what the images were meant to do. I can understand that they perhaps missed the mark - but I think their intentions were in the satiric tradition indicated.

And I also do think that her being Jewish and the magazine being Jewish makes a huge difference. If this was a non-Jew presenting this in the context of a source that was not a Jewish satire outlet, I would have a 100 percent different take on the matter. There is something cathartic, as Brooks mentions, about being able to, as a Jewish person, invert the power dynamic in this way.

[Behind the Aegis]

102. Whatever.

What Mel Brooks said, and what you are claiming to glean from it are completely different.

"And I also do think that her being Jewish and the magazine being Jewish makes a huge difference"

Yes, it does make a HUGE difference only in that they should have fucking known better! There are ways to addresses sensitivity in regards to the Holocaust, this was not it.

You see this as "satire" and "cathartic"...



I see this...




And I saw this...

Birkenau
My Journey to Auschwitz (part 1)
My Journey to Auschwitz (part 2)
When I was at Dachau. (Picture heavy)
When I was at Dachau. (Picture heavy) (part 2)

So, your "rationalization/defense" of this bullshit is neither surprising to me nor unexpected. While it may not be anti-Semitic, it is not mocking Hitler only, it mocks the victims! TOO FAR!

[oberliner]

107. Really surprised and taken aback by this response

As someone who has been a great advocate for fighting antisemitism on DU for over ten years now, I would like to think that I have earned some credibility on this subject. My family has been deeply impacted by the Holocaust and combatting antisemitism both online and offline is one of the major causes to which I have devoted much of my life.

I consider you one of the DUers I admire the most because I have seen you fight for these same causes with great passion online. In the spirit of empathy and understanding, and because I hold you in such high regard, I will take some time to reflect on what you are saying and reconsider my position on this.

[MaryMagdaline]

127. You are correct ... the victims are the subject of ridicule

Their ginger bread burned bodies are mocked. Sick and evil.

[OKNancy]

47. She's a whacko

From daily beast last June:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-roseanne-barr-abandoned-all-reason-and-embraced-the-alt-right

And then there are the full-on conspiracy theories. Barr has retweeted InfoWars reports on the “5.7 Million Illegals” who they baselessly claim voted in the presidential election. She shared a YouTube video titled, “CONFIRMED: SCALISE IS AT THE SAME HOSPITAL THAT TOOK OUT SETH RICH,” as well as various other Seth Rich-related bulletins. She’s shared articles from The Gateway Pundit and Milo Yiannopoulos’ website, as well as Alex Jones videos. She shared a link that promised to expose “Kamala Harris’ Dirty Sex Secret,” and she’s retweeted transphobic comments and tirades against supposedly violent “Muslim Migrants” that blare, “Americans Don’t Want these Savages in our towns!”

If Barr’s evolution from political outsider to card-carrying Pepe is an understandable—if disturbing—trajectory, her positions on Israel mark a complete ideological 180. Prior to her Trump Twitter takeover, Barr was perhaps most infamous for a photo shoot in Heeb magazine titled “That Oven Feelin.” In the shoot, the Jewish Barr posed as “Domestic Goddess Hitler,” showing off her Nazi armband and pulling burned “Jew cookies” from the oven. While the shoot was eventually pulled from the Heeb website, rest assured that Roseanne’s Hitler spread really puts Kathy Griffin’s latest antics into perspective. Barr has long played fast and loose with accusations of Nazism; in 2009, she wrote a blog post in which she called Israel a “Nazi state.” Two years later, she deemed the country to be a “brutal and undemocratic theocracy…which has the world’s fourth largest army.” She also denounced “the ethnic cleansing that is happening in Gaza right now,” continuing, “I say it’s the entire world’s fault, not just Israel’s and not just the Jews’, for allowing the terrible crimes against humanity.”

[Kurt V.]

48. What the hell were network executives thinking.

knowing her, knowing her past and present. Anything for a freaking buck.

[IluvPitties]

52. Roseanne is a troll, and needs to be treated as such.

[CentralMass]

53. I've never been a fan. I didn't like or watch watch the original show and wont watch this one either

Shame on ABC.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

64. Don't care for her at all.

I have a personal aversion for snark and smart-ass, and she's a champ of both.

That aversion has gotten worse as I've grown old, and the world today isn't making that any easier, LOL.

[ejbr]

56. If Kathy Griffin

had to suffer, then this is a no brainer

[Tarc]

62. Oh for fuck's sake, people, this was for a Jewish satire magazine years ago

That's what Heeb does, be provocative and yes, sometimes tasteless. Look who was slamming her in 2009, Fox News. There were probably DU threads in 2009 defending her.

Now it's reversed? Y'all are seriously diving into "we've always been at war with Eastasia!" territory...

[yardwork]

65. I think the photos are disgusting. Indefensible.

You can insult me all you want. I stand by my opinion.

[2left4u]

73. As a person of color

I agree.
Would you ever find it funny to see satire of me hanging from a noose and a tree with somebody in a white sheet smiling?

[ejbr]

74. +1 n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. Was this satire too ?

[Tarc]

94. I agree that Roseanne the person is awful now

But she wasn't always.

[SayItLoud]

63. Kathy Griffin got FIRED

for far less evil a picture. ABC better step up....THIS IS A DISNEY COMPANY !

[Binkie The Clown]

68. Scratch a Republican and you'll find a Nazi just below the surface. nt

[2left4u]

75. Not now

That Trumps in office..they are one big happy family, nazis, fascists and white supremacists..all out of the closet, all trying to de sensitize us to their 'humor" making "America Great Again" one racist fascist fuck at a time.

[roamer65]

123. No scratching off anymore.

They wear it right out in the open.

[The Blue Flower]

76. Two different costumes

She must have thought it was really funny to have posed this way more than once.

[Eliot Rosewater]

77. I think Mel Brooks does a great job of poking fun at Hitler because that is all he

can do and if Hitler were alive, like trump, he would hate it with his thin skin and all. Mr. Brooks has described what he does and why, makes total sense to me.

Roseanne isnt very smart about anything other than stand up and what makes a funny TV show.

[raven mad]

80. Barr...

I have horrible memories of her shit. Going to write it out & post later because I'll be infuriated enough to forget I'm under Dr.'s orders to rest (fractured pelvis). It'll make more than #METOO want to hurt RWNJ's.

Barr - what an execrable excuse even for a sub-human.

[Cha]

81. What the fuck is her stupid point?

And, Mahalo, Kurt Eichenwald!

this is so heinous it's surreal.

[oberliner]

85. Jews are allowed to make fun of Hitler in this way

From an interview with Mel Brooks:

SPIEGEL: You yourself played Hitler in 1983 in your remake of the film “To Be or not To Be”...

Brooks: ... and I also gave him my voice in a song in "The Producers".

SPIEGEL: How does it feel for a Jew to slip into the skin of his greatest enemy?

Brooks: It is an inverted seizure of power. For many years Hitler was the most powerful man in the world and almost destroyed us. To posses this power and turn it against him -– it is simply alluring.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/spiegel-interview-with-mel-brooks-with-comedy-we-can-rob-hitler-of-his-posthumous-power-a-406268.html

And speaking of Mel Brooks:

[ryan_cats]

92. People are whining about edgy comedy?

People are whining about edgy comedy?

Is it only OK when you agree with their politics?


What is with the hatred of Rosanne? I thought the only reason she was for Trump is because Pence is worse and Pence is so, so much worse.

I am offended on behalf of someone I never met and only trot out to prove my victim cred.

[skypilot]

95. She's not just FOR Trump...

...she VOTED FOR Trump. I imagine she knew that Pence (who is so much worse) was Trump's running mate when she cast that vote.

[nini]

96. There's NOTHING funny about nazis

Nothing!!!

[ryan_cats]

111. Tell that to Mel Brooks.

Tell that to Mel Brooks.

Group think, that is all this is.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

103. you've bought the bullshit

That "Pence is worse" bit is misleading.
She backed Trump in 2016, voted for him, spread Pizzagate and other nonsensical conspiracy theories about Hillary, loves Alex Jones and Roger Stone and is homophobic and racist as all get out.

Her history, despite ABC's attempts to scrub it and sell her as a warm and fuzzy "working class" Trump voter, is out there online if you google.

[John Fante]

108. Gaslight much?

Roseanne was totally pro-Trump/anti-Hillary during the campaign. Still is. Had nothing to do with keeping fucking Pence out.

[ryan_cats]

110. Gaslight? What are you saying?

Gaslight? What are you saying? Do you even know what that means? Are you capable of thinking for yourself?

[John Fante]

113. Considering how blatantly false your post was, it's a valid accusation.

[ryan_cats]

116. So,

So, you think Pence is a great man, is that what you are saying?

[John Fante]

117. Deflecting with strawman arguments.

Surest sign that an agenda-driven argument had gone bust.

[ryan_cats]

118. You fling

You fling logical fallacies out like a Gorilla flings feces.

Please do continue to prove you are incapable of an original thought, you have been doing a bang up job so far...

[John Fante]

119. Original thoughts

AKA: alternative facts for Trump apologists. Fake news.

Tell me again how Roseanne only supports Trump to keep Pence out? I like being blatantly lied to.

FTR: as awful as Pence is, Trump is 100x worse.

[ryan_cats]

120. Try reading

Try reading what I wrote.

[John Fante]

124. An obvious Trump supporter wrote this:

"What is with the hatred of Rosanne? I thought the only reason she was for Trump is because Pence is worse and Pence is so, so much worse."

It is a blatant fucking lie.

[ryan_cats]

125. Being clueless is not

Being clueless is not something to celebrate.

Trump is out for Trump and believes in his god, the almighty dollar.

Pence is out for Jesus and would implement the Christian version of Sharia law if allowed.

The worst part, our votes count the same, yours and mine.

[RhodeIslandOne]

115. No, she voted for Trump

She also believes Pizza Gate and the Seth Rich hoax.

She also tweeted a Nazi salute to David Hogg.

http://www.businessinsider.com/roseanne-barr-trump-fan-conspiracy-theories-2018-3

Are we up to date now? Now what do you say?

[John Fante]

104. The problem with the whole "she's making fun of Hitler" argument

is that doesn't come off that way AT ALL. Based on the pictures I've seen, it looks like Roseanne is making fun of the victims of the holocaust.

Leave the skewering of Hitler to Charlie Chaplin and Mel Brooks, dumbass.

[skypilot]

106. I agree.

I too was trying to figure out how these photos make fun of Hitler. I mean, what is the joke being made at Hitler's expense? That he murdered Jews?

[gopiscrap]

112. OMG fuck this get this pos off the air now!!!!

[WiffenPoof]

121. Roseanne is Bipolar

This is sort of an expansion to a post earlier in this thread concerning Roseanne and the possibility she is Bipolar.

I want to make it clear that I think Roseanne is a despicable human being. I've never been a fan and I don't understand the attraction.

Having said that, I want to comment on the bipolar condition and just how much a bipolar person is responsible for their actions.

My mother was bipolar and for the entirety of my life I and our family have had to deal with her inconsistent behavior. My mother could be so mean and cruel at times that it was nearly impossible to have a relationship with her. As an example, she told my father on his death bed that he "better not get well and bring home the same son of a bitch he was." He died the next day... And he was no son of a bitch. He tolerated a life with my mother that no one should have suffered.

My sister and I were on different sides when it came to my mother's personal responsibility for her behavior. My sister never held our mother responsible for her actions because of her condition. I on the other hand could never forgive her for her cruelty, I didn't give a damn what her condition was. I never forgave her and when she died, I didn't shed tear.

Since her death, I've softened my hate for her and have begun to understand just how much her bipolar condition played in her life.

So, when it comes to Roseanne, I have mixed feelings. On one hand, I hold her responsible for her actions. On the other hand I cannot fully discount that she is Bipolar and may not have full control over her behavior.

I just didn't want people here to brush off the fact that Roseanne had suffered from and apparently still fights a demon that few of us have to face or deal with.

P

[femmedem]

126. Thank you for sharing that story.

I'm always for finding a path towards empathy--which, of course, is completely different than condoning someone's behavior.

It isn't easy to stand against the rising tide of group think, or perhaps I should say group hatred. Thank you.

[blake2012]

122. Her show needs to be cancelled