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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAn Argument for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots
I first became politically active in 1960, while a sophomore in high school. As part of that, I was a spectator in my small California town precinct as the ballots were counted after the polls closed. I watched adults I knew in my home town painstakingly count and recount ballots in an organized way that could be observed, because it took place in public with an audience.
All ballots were sorted by the particular race for each count, with ballots stacked into piles for that race. Then, the piles were counted by different people, with each ballot being checked to make sure it was in the right pile. The process was done twice for each race, by different people and the totals compared. If there was a discrepancy, the process was repeated, with even closer scrutiny. Finally, the totals were tallied, with that tally checked by another group. Everything was checked, rechecked and all was done in public view.
This was repeated for every office or other ballot measure. It took hours during that year's Presidential election. With an audience of interested observers present, the process was done seriously and carefully. Questionable ballots were examined by election judges and decisions made after discussion. Everything was observed by actual voters who watched to make sure the process was done correctly.
At the end of each race's or proposition's tally, a telephone call was made to the County clerk's office with the results. There, they were written on a tally board that showed all precincts, along with a total for the entire country. Watchers and the media were there, too, observing the entire process as it happened.
In the precincts, once all of the votes were counted for each item on the ballot, all ballots were placed in a locked box and driven to the county clerk's office, where they were stored safely in case a recount was needed.
All of this took time. Often, the final results were not available until the wee hours of the morning or even the next day. But, everything was observed. Actual people participated in every step of all of this, with all parties represented. Fairness and accuracy was assured, because the entire process was public and there was an actual audience at every precinct who cared about fairness and accuracy.
It was slow. It was correct. It was fair. Most people got the results only when the afternoon newspapers were available and on the evening local news the day after the election. We waited, because that slow, accurate process gave us real, trustworthy results.
It was a good system. It was labor intensive, but volunteers and paid election judges were always available, because the process was recognized as crucial to the democratic process.
Are we patient enough to do elections in this way now? We should be, I think.
Farmer-Rick
(10,183 posts)It took more than a radio signal, a computer glitch, or a Russian oligarch hacking an electronic system to rig it.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I doubt there was any in my small town precinct.
Farmer-Rick
(10,183 posts)Where everyone knows everyone and keeping the ballots ensured a back up system.
But I saw a documentary on how they vote in Russia. It was very similar to what you describe except that the same person was caught in several different voting precincts, some as many as 5, voting for Putin. It seemed there were these herds of people who went from precinct to precinct voting over and over again for Putin. I think they got paid for it.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)And bring back typewriters.
In the past, paper ballots were responsible for almost all the fraud in elections, and the reason why voting machines were invented.
In my county, poll workers show up at 5 AM and get out around 9:30-10 PM. Adding the amount of time it would take to count paper ballots would add a few hours to that long day and increase the chance of errors through sheer exhaustion. Then there's the time spent at the office checking and spot counting what the poll workers did.
And don't even think of getting a second shift in to do the counting-- it's tough enough getting the workers we have.
The machines we use scan paper ballots, which are locked away in case of a recount. The scanners are reliable, and in 10 years have shown no appreciable counting mistakes. They are getting old and having mechanical problems, but nothing earthshaking. There are several simple, and effective, procedures to insure an accurate count.
Moreover, we have effectively eliminated paper from most of our everyday transactions-- we order and pay for goods on our phones, we make investment decisions and pay our bills online... What is so special about elections that we have to go a hundred years backwards? If the bad guys have a hard time breaking into my bank accounts, just make it as tough for them to break into voting machines.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Technology is becoming more and more advanced. I cant imagine the country ever goes back to hand counted paper ballots.
Both the Alabama Senate election and Pa-18 were done with full electronic voting. Both were nail biting finishes, Pa-18 literally being a few hundred votes. If Russia or the GOO was going to swing vote totals, those would have been perfect places to do it. But they didnt...because they arent. The difference is that for the first time in a decade, Democrats are coming out to vote.