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You are going to pull the troops from Syria cause Putin told you to. You lie and say there is a 'small ISIS presence' in Syria and that's why you want the troops out. Your top military commanders disagree cause they know this is not true. Putin's puppet. Now if you do move them out and I think you will, ISIS will be back with an even bigger presence and they are plotting right now
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)I sit here too, dont get me wrong, but our enemy stole our election, took over our WH and we sit here HOPING Mueller can do something
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No, I dont have the answer, but I know this is not it.
The Blue Flower
(5,442 posts)The ramifications are dire globally. I think the trade war is Putin's idea as well, considering the damage it will do to our farmers.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Putin's idea cause he wants the US to have bad relations with their allies. And Trump listened.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)Just those abusive pig meat businesses and controlled poison grains sales.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)our soybeans as 93% of our soybean crops are treated with glyphosate.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)And they listed the number 1 pesticide used was glyphosate. It's dumped on millions and millions of acres every year. I never thought it was a pesticide but it seems to kill nematodes too. Hell that shit kills anything including people.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)as many other countries have stricter laws about chemically treated crops. Some refuse to import our corn and soybeans.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)He is the first active traitor to hold the office of the President of the United States and as such he should be made an example of for all to see. Public hanging from the Washington Monument. I will volunteer to push him off if such service is required. It may be hard to move that mountain of flesh and gas, but I will do my level best. (Gonna go hit the gym now....just in case.)
GeorgeHayduke
(1,227 posts)to get all William Wallace on his fat, ignorant and malicious ass, I think time in the klink is probably more appropriate.
We must maintain a dignified approach to our outrage and exact both judgement and retribution responsibly lest it reflect poorly on us.
We dont want to become a revolution that anyone can relate to El Che: initially Ernesto was a populist revolutionary, then he lost it and became the socialist executioner. He lacked forethought. Hence, his death in Valle Grande via philosophical hubris.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... i think that if US and UN forces are removed, Putin will take control of a puppet regime, provide platoons of military advisors, and crush all opposition - including ISIS.
He cant do that now because if were there we will have a stake in the post ISIS government. And because of the risk of US casualties and an international incident. He wants us out of the way. Its not about ISIS. Its about oil and territory.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... the backing of the Syrian govt. and could go into full extermination mode. Little or no pushback from the US. Advanced weaponry now. Different terrain more suitable to large army movement. There will always be pockets of terrorist, but I think ISIS would be hard pressed to regain actual territory and a significant presence in Syria if Russian Troops were on the ground in strength.
Its just my opinion. I think acquiring Syria is part of Putins long game. The oil and easy access to the Mediterranean Sea would help make Russia more sanction resistant. I think hed be willing to spend a lot of resources to secure it. He just needs us out of the theater.
former9thward
(32,025 posts)Not every Mideast country has oil. Syria has almost no oil production. Russia is the top oil producer in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
Russia wants a presence in Syria because it has a naval base and an air force base. Russia is going to keep those no matter what.
We should be out of Mideast countries. We have done no good there. We messed up Iraq and Syria is no different.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... may not be a big player comparatively, but there is oil there, and it is a big part of the state economy.
But I don't disagree that perhaps the port and strategic location are the goals. Either way, Putin has his sights set on it.
And I don't disagree that we should get out. I'm just postulating on why Putin might have directed Trump to withdraw US forces. Trump's not doing it because it's good US policy (even if it happens to be). He's doing it because he was told to do it.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)atreides1
(16,079 posts)What we should be concerned with...is an alliance between Syria, Russia, and Turkey! Because once the Syrian rebels are destroyed, that particular Axis of Evil, will be going after the Kurds.
Remember the Kurds? US allies in the fight against Saddam and ISIS! Trump is going to leave them high and dry...leaving the door open for their elimination by the new Axis powers!
Yet again the United States leaves an indigenous ally to fend for themselves!
Granny M
(1,395 posts)The Kurds have been loyal allies and deserve support.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)intentions months ago. Major Military Base to control Surface Shipping tensions in the Gulf.. Major Gas and Oil Pipeline that will move his Oil and Gas to Eourpe and India.
Again,it boils down to OIL.
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)he said he would depend on the generals' advice when taking any position regarding war and troops. LIAR.
lark
(23,105 posts)If his tiny fingers or ass mouth is moving, he's always lying. He's just a lazy prick and so wanted to put all the grunt work of actually looking at intelligence and making plans onto them - EXCEPT - where Russia is concerned. In those instances he calls the shots as demanded by Putin, regardless of the impact on our troops, our country or any other country. He's PUtin's hand puppet and was put in that job by Putin personally.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)The Generals do not respect him.
BigmanPigman
(51,610 posts)He does a 180 all the time...distraction, thrives on chaos, doesn't listen to anyone except Fux Ruse TV, etc. He has to be gone ASAP! A corrupt, stupid, illiterate, crazy, mean moron is running this show. I feels so safe and secure.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Disturbing but true. If you've ever watched Samanatha Bee's piece on it when she traveled there.
Perhaps from a distance, he is seen as a strong man leader. Maybe it is what they are used to having and admiring in a leader. They are, or had been, getting support from the US for a long time now, through Obama's time, but it seems they respect more a blistering braggart than a diplomatic courteous President. Maybe that was also tinged with racism.
Maybe a few will change their tune now
HenryWallace
(332 posts)Come on people, even a broken clock is right twice a day...
onecent
(6,096 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)But as long as Pooty is in charge I fear that even if we do get Trump out and install a completely blue government, it still won't be over. He may have even scarier plans in store.
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...President Obama that he announced military intentions ahead of time?
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)Turkey, and Iran and the US is totally out of the picture. WTF........tRump is our own homegrown terrorist and taking down this country.
Putin has little man syndrome.