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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,016 posts)
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 03:48 PM Apr 2018

Impact of Chinese trade war: What American farmers produce is suddenly worth less money

The talking is over. Now we’re fighting a real trade war — and here on my farm in Iowa, I’m on the front line.

The dispute between the United States and China poses a direct threat to my livelihood. Because of the new and emerging tariffs on both sides, the things I grow will sell for less and the things I buy will cost me more.

This week the price of hogs dropped $12 for every pig I sell. This morning, soybeans are down 40 cents a bushel — a $1.7 billion loss to the value of U.S. soybeans. And if I want to make new capital purchases of machinery or grain bins — anything made with steel or aluminum — I’ll have to pay a higher amount.

For years, we’ve engaged in a war of words with China over trade. American officials have complained about everything from China’s currency manipulation and subsidized industries to a trade deficit that hit a record level in 2017. The difference between what Americans bought from China and what Chinese bought from the United States reached $375 billion last year. President Trump recently demanded that the United States reduce this gap by at least $100 billion.

Last month, Trump fired a salvo, announcing new tariffs of 25 percent on imported steel and 10 percent on imported aluminum.

China retaliated a few days ago with a long list of new tariffs, affecting about $50 billion of American-made products. Many fruits and nuts, for example, will face a 15 percent tax. So will a variety of stainless steel pipes.

China also slapped a 25-percent tax on pork products — a category that affects me directly because I raise hogs. We try to sell every part of these animals, from the meat to the offal. Even before the trade war erupted, pork prices weren’t very good. Now they have dropped to the lowest prices since 2003.

http://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/381652-impact-of-chinese-trade-war-what-american-farmers-produce-is

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Impact of Chinese trade war: What American farmers produce is suddenly worth less money (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 OP
Poor farmer Tim GusBob Apr 2018 #1
Dirty Donny* has a republican message for America's farmers Achilleaze Apr 2018 #2
Best post of the day!!!! Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #3
Farmers merrily invested in the KGOP republican casino Achilleaze Apr 2018 #7
Knowing so many of these Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #8
Yes - America's Heartland is becoming Corporate GMO-CAFOland, inc. Achilleaze Apr 2018 #13
Have tons of Relatives Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #14
I guess at some point we'll be expected gibraltar72 Apr 2018 #4
"To be sure, Trump isnt doing anything he said he wouldnt do." Girard442 Apr 2018 #5
Thanks for the link . Kittycow Apr 2018 #6
The comments are priceless malaise Apr 2018 #9
Kroger is already selling milk for $1.29 a gallon louis-t Apr 2018 #10
Take it as a sign to stop exploiting sentient beings and find another occupation. Doremus Apr 2018 #11
We were hog farmers in the 90's NickB79 Apr 2018 #12

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
1. Poor farmer Tim
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 04:00 PM
Apr 2018

Poor, poor Trump-supporting-even-tho-I-had-my-doubts-and-stiil-do-but-hoping-he-will-make-it-better farmer Tim

You couldn't sound like a bigger idiot rube if you tried, farmer Tim.

You would think an erstwhile farmer would recognize bull shit. The wheat from the chaff so to speak. Sew your seed on fertile soil, not rocks

Poor poor farmer Tim, trusting a bankrupted NY real estate guy to keep his Iowa farm out of bankruptcy

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
7. Farmers merrily invested in the KGOP republican casino
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 04:18 PM
Apr 2018

...and naturally they lost. Who hangs at casinos? republican losers.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Knowing so many of these
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 04:28 PM
Apr 2018

Farmers,they tend to believe in tooth fairy economics. Nixon fooled them royally back in the early 70's,and it seems every Generation after were nursed on the same Kool Aid.

All of their operating loans are based on subsidy's and and forward Grain Contracts.

Here is the real stinky part,for every one of these Farmers that go bust,Monsanto ,Cargill,Titian Credit are buying up their Land at below market prices and hiring back the Guy who lost it at 7 bucks an hour to maintain it for them.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
13. Yes - America's Heartland is becoming Corporate GMO-CAFOland, inc.
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 05:43 PM
Apr 2018

...and it is beyond argument that the republican "values" have brought this about....

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
14. Have tons of Relatives
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 06:01 PM
Apr 2018

that mirror my comment. Was there in 1981 when that crisis hit these same people,they just kept drinking the same stupid kool aid.

gibraltar72

(7,506 posts)
4. I guess at some point we'll be expected
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 04:10 PM
Apr 2018

to feel sorry for victims of the trade war. I'm gonna be hard pressed to work up pity for states that supported Trump. Anyone with just average intelligence knew what he was. If you didn't know what a con was you do now but it's too late. I would imagine some big timers are gonna swoop in and buy your land. It is what you wanted right?

Girard442

(6,075 posts)
5. "To be sure, Trump isnt doing anything he said he wouldnt do."
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 04:10 PM
Apr 2018

Yeah, like that other guy who told everybody what he was going to do. Wrote a whole book about it. Then he went and did it and everybody was shocked.

Maybe you can get by on those memories of giddy nights shouting, "Lock her up! Lock her up!"

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
6. Thanks for the link .
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 04:11 PM
Apr 2018

Reading through the article, the farmer-author had deep reservations about voting for trump and he did it anyway! But now apparently we victims of his vote are supposed to feel sorry for him.

I enjoyed reading the I Told You So comments, I must admit.

Also, I read on the Iowa Soybean Association website an article from early March how soybean farmers are investing into more equipment and more crops planted to gear up for the increased demand from China, so they might be kind of extra screwed with their additional debt.

if only someone had warned them..

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
10. Kroger is already selling milk for $1.29 a gallon
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 05:03 PM
Apr 2018

and has been for a few months. Dairy farmers cannot possibly be making any money on it.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
11. Take it as a sign to stop exploiting sentient beings and find another occupation.
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 05:10 PM
Apr 2018

Use your farmland to grow food instead or learn another trade, anything else is better than profiting on the death and suffering of sentient creatures.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
12. We were hog farmers in the 90's
Wed Apr 4, 2018, 05:19 PM
Apr 2018

There were times prices dipped so low, we were losing money on every pig when you factored in feed and heating costs. Almost lost the farm then. It was hell.

I feel for all the farm families, I truly do. Being a farm kid and watching your parents cry while staring at their finances scars you for life.

My uncles are still farming. I love my family. But I also know how conservative they are, so I have a good idea how they voted. They will reap what they sowed.

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