Is MSNBC going conservative? Loves #NeverTrumpers more than Progressive folks

[egbertowillies]

This Salon article makes the ultimate case for having and supporting independent media that is devoid of the need for corporate financing. One should not falsely believe that MSNBC and other supposedly Progressive media outlets funded by corporate dollars have any latitude to report and have advocates, for real Progressive values. In fact, they always veer Right at the first opportunity.

https://egbertowillies.com/2018/04/15/msnbc-going-conservative-nevertrumpers/

[Wellstone ruled]

1. Sure did this morning.

[hlthe2b]

2. well, I think Hugh Hewett needs to go, but mainly the conservatives MSNBC has on regularly are sane

and not the extremists. I would argue that having conservative moderates speaking out against Trump and current RW policies MAY BE more important to independents and any waivering conservatives than a constant stream of reliable progressives (though the latter is certainly more palatable to me). People like Steve Schmidt, Jennifer Rubin, Mark McKinnon, David Frum, Nicolle Wallace-- I don't have a problem with their joining MSNBC's ranks as hosts or guests.

I detested Mark Halperin (gone), SE Cupp (gone), Pat Buchanan (gone), Greta Van Susterin (gone) and quite a few of the other RW wackos. But, since their departure, I don't think MSNBC is losing its more progressive edge.

[Rhiannon12866]

20. That's very true. I've never watched Hewitt, but Morning Joe has some good guests

Like Eugene Robinson and Howard Dean. And Nicolle Wallace wasn't just anti Trump, she turned the corner over Sarah Palin. As for Steve Schmidt, he's come out with the best anti Trump rants that I've heard...

[Cosmocat]

23. Its agitating that they try to float loons like Hewitt and Meghan Kelly

CLEAR POS, scumbag Rs. Others, who you know are vile, but tried to put a veneer of sorts on, like Cupp have gotten run out by public opinion.

For the most part, what is left is OK - Wallace, Schmidt, Frum ... I don't have a problem with them at this point, they are sincere in what they are saying, at least.

Gotta see how they look IF we manage to get back into power.

[Iliyah]

3. Conservatives that are "NeverTrumpers" rarely (if any) discuss . .

about SS, Medicare, Medicaid, HealthCare, etc. positively. Rarely mention the tax bill nor social issues, voting rights, women rights, civil rights, guns, racist issues, etc.

But hey, love to talk negatively about t-rump and some of his administration. Do they ever talk about Nunes and obstruction of what he is doing? Nope.

And there is more.

Joe S and his future bride want Pence.

I do not trust them.

[hlthe2b]

4. Gawd knows I never thought I'd have to say something positive about Scarborough, but

he has excoriated the tax plan, defended the Parkland kids and moderated his gun stance to include a need for rational gun control (i.e., the irrationality of the AR15 and similar), and has repeatedly called out Trump's Charlottesville racism and is now a registered Independant. Mika is not as progressive as I think she once was, but in reality, she probably has a lot to do with pulling Scab toward the center, at least.

And Nicolle Wallace HAS likewise spoken out on the more extremist aspects of conservatism, including most of what you listed above. I'm not saying either she or Steve Schmidt are fiscal progressives by any means, but I've heard both speak out against the extremes of these issues. Likewise women's rights, civil rights.


I'm not advocating for any of this crowd, but i think we need to be fair in representing what they say on a daily basis. They aren't the extremists that we need to be fighting and in many respects can be allies.

[CTyankee]

13. i notice Joe and Mika never discuss abortion rights (that I have heard).

they ignore the subject. Makes me wonder why...

[hlthe2b]

14. I don't wonder. I'm sure Mika is staunchly pro-choice and Joe remains anti-choice.

Undoubtedly one of those unspoken areas they chose not to address.

[CTyankee]

15. I don't know how staunch she is if she is marrying an anti-choice man...I sure wouldn't be...

[hlthe2b]

17. well, given she's past child-bearing age, I doubt it would be an issue. He doesn't have daughters.

She does, but somehow I doubt his opinion would be of much import if the issue were to come up with her daughters.

[Rhiannon12866]

18. I think he had a daughter by his last wife...

[ProfessorGAC]

21. Kind Of Defines Conservative, Right?

"Doesn't affect me, so i'll ignore it." How it affects others is irrelevant as long as it doesn't directly impact them.

[hlthe2b]

27. THis isn't my position, so don't infer such. I'm merely speculating how a "mixed" relationship

like they have might work. it isn't ME who is (or would BE) involved with a RWer and I stand by my pro-choice values.

I'm sure Mika compartmentalizes their differences. It's her relationship, not mine, so...

[ProfessorGAC]

28. I Was Agreeing With You

I was accusing Mika of having the typical "i got mine" attitude.

[hlthe2b]

29. thanks for clarifying...

Yes, you are right.

[rockfordfile]

5. Trump and Pence are the same. Both un-American republican pos.

These far right republicans support both. It doesn't really matter to them.

[tableturner]

6. There's nothing wrong with having conservatives on MSNBC. What are you afraid of?

I not only am glad to hear the other side, I believe that all of us need to hear the other side while they are engaged with progressives. That allows the misstatements to be immediately called out.

And please don't start with trying to posit that the station is filled with some large number of conservatives. In fact, it's much less conservative than the country as a whole. If there were a proportional representation of conservatives, there would be MANY more of them on that station.

MSNBC is now a real news station thanks to many of the changes the last few years. Yes, it has moved rightward, but it still leans progressive. It is now much more interesting and informative, in my opinion.

[Dream Girl]

7. Dont watch MSNBC!

[Greybnk48]

8. I like certain people on MSNBC, not the network itself.

I'm sure others here feel the same.

[JI7]

9. Maybe they should hire people like Axelrod and van Jones

They sure do a great job going after trump.

[leftynyc]

24. Keep Axe away from MSNBC

I turn the channel every time I see that cretin. He did NOTHING to help Hillary, NOTHING. And humped every single rumor or slip up she made during the campaign. I can't stand him.

[comradebillyboy]

32. Same with Van Jones

With friends like Van Jone and Axe, who needs enemies.

[leftynyc]

33. I don't remember Jones

during the campaign but I'll take your word for it. I have no patience for axe whatsoever.

[pnwmom]

10. Since you have linked to your money-making site I don't think you're in the position to judge. nt

[Wounded Bear]

11. MSNBC is Corporate...

It has some progressive hosts, but it follows the money.

[malaise]

12. Where is the Salon link? n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

19. It right on the page if you click on the link and scroll down

Second paragraph

[malaise]

34. I stopped clicking on his link ages ago

It's a Salon article and he should use their link.

[Hortensis]

16. MSNBC is commercial. It and CNN are both trying to draw

viewers away from Fox.

I'd like to suggest that, with rising fascism in this nation a very real danger, though, resistance needs to be against what the Republican Party has become and other right-wing people and groups with fascistic leanings, not Democrats.

People who don't agree with that should not assume critical coverage is necessarily conservative. There's plenty from people with the sense to know what the big threats are and who they're coming from.

[Kirk Lover]

22. Anyone who watches MSNBC with any regularity would think this headline is absurd.

Not interested.

[leftynyc]

25. What crap

ANYONE who watches MSNBC during prime time knows what complete BS this story is.

[OnDoutside]

31. +1

[rickford66]

26. We're the frogs in the boiling water.

We're being conditioned to accept them as middle of the road. Once a Dem is elected they will veer right and many viewers wont realize it and will be swayed just as the FOX viewers have been for years.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

30. NeverTrumpers hate Trump personally and/or his behavior

I don't *hear* them speaking out about his and Pence's policies. And most of them are out of power too, so they don't have much influence. It would be nice to hear about/from more people actively resisting Trump and his policies.

[DeminPennswoods]

35. Hayes and O'Donnell are

socialists, that's left of progressive and liberal.