Video: Sen. Bernie Sanders at Newport senior town hall meeting

[Hassin Bin Sober]

http://newportdispatch.com/2018/04/15/video-sen-bernie-sanders-at-newport-senior-town-hall-meeting/
Scenes from the senior town hall meeting Sen. Bernie Sanders held in Newport on Saturday.

He talked about the future of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, as well as the high cost of prescription drugs, affordable housing, transportation and healthy food.

[guillaumeb]

1. But the (I)!!

Recommended.

[democrank]

2. Good example of why Bernie has a lot of support here in Vermont.

Gatherings like this one in Newport, are frequently held all over the state. Vermonters talk, he listens....really listens.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. Yep. One of the many reasons he is one of the most beloved politicians in the known universe.

[Me.]

4. Good ONe

[George II]

5. Bazinga!

[panader0]

6. here:

https://www.axios.com/bernie-sanders-is-the-most-popular-us-senator-1513301526-fc04be02-d157-41d1-9ddd-4f67a974c568.html

[George II]

8. And here:

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https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Black%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

and here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population

Is it a coincidence that the six "most popular Senators" (among their OWN constituents, not outside their states) are from the smallest and whitest states?

[NurseJackie]

10. No, it is not.

Is it a coincidence that the six "most popular Senators" (among their OWN constituents, not outside their states) are from the smallest and whitest states?

No, it is not.

[panader0]

11. He's the most popular in nationwide surveys as well.

https://morningconsult.com/july-2017-senator-rankings/

[George II]

12. Nope. Read the article. Respondents were asked to rate THEIR OWN Senators. There were....

....separate polls for each state.

"In each poll, Americans indicated whether they approve or disapprove of the job performance of President Donald Trump, their state’s governor, both of their U.S. senators, their member of Congress and their mayor (if they live in a city with more than about 10,000 residents). For each question, they could answer strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, strongly disapprove, or don’t know / no opinion."

They did not rate any Senators from other states.

That Morning Consult poll for which you provided the link is also from July of last year, more than nine months ago.

[ehrnst]

14. That's among "their constituents" not "nationwide." And his numbers have dropped in that poll

since July 2017:

July 2017:

BERNARD SANDERS (D-VT)
Approve 75%
Disapprove 21%

April 2018:

BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT)
Approve: 72%
Disapprove: 23%

https://morningconsult.com/2018/04/12/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators/

[lapucelle]

32. You need to read the methodology.

"In each poll, Americans indicated whether they approve or disapprove of the job performance of President Donald Trump, their state’s governor, both of their U.S. senators,


Morning Consult obtained an up-to-date list of governors, senators and representatives from Sunlight Foundation’s Congress API v3 and Open States API and obtained a list of mayors from the United States Conference of Mayors. Survey respondents were assigned to their appropriate governor and senators based on their state of residence, assigned to their member of Congress based on a combination of zip code, IP address, latitude and longitude, and assigned to their mayor based on their state and zip code."

https://morningconsult.com/2017/07/11/senator-approval-rankings-q2-2017-methodology/

[ehrnst]

13. Yep. Homogenous small populations, unlike larger more diverse populations

think alike more, so they can be expected to do many things in lockstep.

[George II]

15. It's not difficult to be "popular" to only a few hundred thousand of virtually one demographic.

Much more difficult to be "popular" to tens of millions of people of many diverse ethnicities.

[ehrnst]

16. As we've seen. (nt)

[George II]

17. The top 10 Senators from your poll along with the population rankings and white constituency:

Senator and State Rank w/respect to population and % white constitency.

BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT) 49th (2nd LEAST populous) 1st
PATRICK LEAHY (D-VT) 49th, 1st
JOHN BARRASSO (R-WY) 50th, 6th
MICHAEL ENZI (R-WY) 50th, 6th
ANGUS KING (I-ME) 42nd, 3rd
SUSAN COLLINS (R-ME) 42nd, 3rd
JOHN THUNE (R-SD) 46th, 10th
BRIAN SCHATZ (D-HI) 40th, 50th
THOMAS CARPER (D-DE) 45th, 33rd
RON WYDEN (D-OR) 27th, 20th
JOHN HOEVEN (R-ND) 47th, 8th

Ron Wyden's "popularity" is much more impressive than any of the others in the top 10 - he has a lot more people to keep happy and a much more diverse constituency.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

19. Hate to break it to you but he polls the highest among African Americans.

http://observer.com/2017/10/sanders-is-most-popular-us-politician-and-trump-is-least-popular/
The latest Harvard-Harris poll, conducted between October 14 and October 18, affirms that voters are increasingly favoring Sen. Bernie Sanders and progressivism while President Donald Trump’s favorability continues its downward spiral.

Sanders’ total favorability in this latest poll is 53 percent, and it is highest among hispanics (66 percent) and African-Americans (77 percent). His numbers dwarf other leading politicians’ on the left and right, including Hillary Clinton, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer. Donald Trump’s unfavorable ratings were the highest of any politician included at 56 percent. Only 37 percent of respondents view Sanders’ unfavorably.

[George II]

20. That one again?

Methodology (you should read Page 1 of your poll):

"Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, political party, political affiliation, and education where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents’ propensity to be online."

Why would an "objective poll" need to have the results weighted for ANY factor?

Also, other than being six months old, that poll only allows respondents to rate the following few people, there isn't even an "other" option:

Bernie Sanders
Mike Pence
Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton - out of politics
Elizabeth Warren
Rex Tillerson - fired by trump
Nancy Pelosi
Paul Ryan - resigning
Chuck Schumer
Jeff Sessions
Bob Corker - resigning
Stephen Bannon - fired by trump
Mitch McConnell

Quite an all-inclusive group there. Since some were talking about Sanders being the "most popular" Senator, where are the other 95 Senators, including Cory Booker, Sherrod Brown, Kamala Harris, Tim Kaine?

Where are Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Martin O'Malley, Andrew Cuomo, Deval Patrick, Joseph Kennedy III, or even Oprah Winfrey?

Seems like another "objective" poll gone awry.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

21. Yawn.

Since Trump’s election, several polls have found that Sanders is the most popular politician in the country, including previous Harvard-Harris polls conducted earlier this year. Additionally, a July 2017 Morning Consult poll and a survey conducted by Fox News in March 2017 found similar results. A July 2017 poll conducted by Public Policy Polling found that Sanders would defeat Trump by 13 percentage points if a general presidential election was held at that time.

You are welcome to your “opinion” but poll after poll says the same thing. You can harp and harp about “white population” but the numbers have been consistent.

[George II]

22. The Harvard-Harris and Morning Consult polls have already been debunked right here. Sure....

..."poll after poll" (actually only two) say the same thing, but when one digs into the methodology of each one see that both are seriously flawed.

One allows respondents to rate only their own two Senators (you didn't address that, wonder why?)

One allows respondents to rate only a select, incongruous select set of "politicians" (some not even politicians and some out of politics)

This now is the third poll (with no link or methodology) posted in this discussion that is at least six month old or more. Why not post a current, truly objective and all-inclusive poll? There has to be a reason.

Am I keeping you awake?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

23. Lol. Debunked by whom? You?

Debunked doesn’t mean what you apparently think it means.

You’ve had ample opportunity to post your own non “debunked” polls. But you haven’t. Why is that?

Tired? Nah. Just bored.

Not sure why you get such heartburn over the fact a guy who has voted and caucused with The Democratic Party is so popular.

I don’t know if you are aware of this but he is on the Senate Democratic Leadership.

It’s true. Look it up.

[George II]

24. Debunked by THEM, they're the ones who included their flawed methodology in their own reports.....

You're 100% right, I have had opportunity to post my own non-“debunked” polls showing Sanders as the most popular Senator / Politician. But I couldn't find any.



There's another one you like to throw out (about the 10th time in response to me):

"I don’t know if you are aware of this but he is on the Senate Democratic Leadership." Yet you still can't articulate what his role in that "Senate Democratic Leadership" position.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

25. For your reading pleasure:

https://www.democrats.senate.gov

[George II]

26. You've also posted THAT link in response to me several times, too. So what does...

....the "Chairman of Outreach" actually do? Have any idea?

[AtomicKitten]

27. I admire your perseverance in the face of the knee-jerk resistance to truth here.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

29. Why dont you look it up and get back to us

[George II]

30. I don't need to look it up, I know all about it. Which is why I don't throw that out...

...as though it's something big and important.

Based on the fact that you bring it up here repeatedly, why don't you look it up and get back to us. I think you'll be quite disappointed.

[ehrnst]

35. You skipped the April 2018 Morning Consult poll - with good reason...

He's slipped in the numbers since then:


July 2017:

BERNARD SANDERS (D-VT)
Approve 75%
Disapprove 21%

April 2018:

BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT)
Approve: 72%
Disapprove: 23%

https://morningconsult.com/2018/04/12/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators/

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. Wow!! 72%!! Before you know it, that might drop to 55% unfavorable among registered voters.

[ehrnst]

37. It was down to 68% back in January.

And that's among his own constituents (94.6% white, very rural), not all registered voters, who are a much more diverse population. Still hasn't recovered from where he was in 2016.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the parameters of the Morning Consult poll? It measures popularity of a Senator among their own constituents - which logically is always highest where the population is small and very, very homgenous.

[ehrnst]

34. Observer? Kushner's old publication? From last October?

Really?

[leftstreet]

7. DURec

[blake2012]

18. Dont care

[awesomerwb1]

28. Need to start a new website

and call it independentunderground.com (all Bernie, all day, every day!)

I just checked and the domain is available.

[George II]

31. That would give Chris Hayes something to do in his spare time.

[grantcart]

33. "mostbeloved.com"