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Security video recorded at Timeco shows owner John Dwyer chasing after a man who had just kicked out a door while attempting to flee with stolen jewelry. (CBC)
The owner of a jewelry store in downtown St. John's has been charged with assault after he chased a man who fled his store with a ring and bracelet.
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Security video recorded by Timeco's surveillance system shows the suspect lingering in the store, glancing at merchandise and letting another customer be served before him.
The video then shows the man asking Dwyer to try on a ring, and then a bracelet to go with it.
As soon as he had the bracelet, the man made a run for the nearby door, but Dwyer had already hit the automatic lock.
In seconds, the man kicked the glass out of the door and made his escape.
Dwyer and two employees gave chase, and stopped the man around the corner on George Street. But while they tried to get the jewelry from him, Dwyer said, the man resisted and won support from people watching the scene from a nearby deck.
Told by bystanders to leave the man alone, Dwyer lost his cool and kicked the man in the face.
full: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2012/07/31/nl-timeco-owner-assault-731.html
dballance
(5,756 posts)But I hope that if they employ some sort of system like ours with a jury the jury will find the charges as ridiculous as I do. Even if it's a panel of magistrates/justices or whatever I just can't feel sorry for the thief and hope they acquit. Sure, maybe anger got the best of the Dwyer for a moment but who among us can say what they'd really do in the same situation?
Besides, stealing from someone has consequences. The thief just happened to realize some of those in advance of being tried for his crime.
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)...epic hatefest before lunchtime.
Satisfying as it might be, NO ONE has a legal right to physically take out their frustrations on another.
dballance
(5,756 posts)So I'm going to seem to be an apologist. But I still have to wonder what I might do in the same situation. I might not have been much better. Who's to say really? Yep, that's a knock on me and my ability to control my anger.
So find him guilty. Just please don't try to make an example of him during sentencing.
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)...is that most people can't recognise when it's justified, more importantly when it's not and all too often lack the self discipline to stop once they start.
JI7
(89,248 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)until he kicked the thief in the face.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)wing use to anger their base!
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Javaman
(62,521 posts)I'm hoping your post is sarcasm.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)On Edit: And he's not dead.
Javaman
(62,521 posts)they had caught the guy already.
And everything is okay, because he's not dead?
wow.
you might want to rethink that stance.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Yeah, kicking him in the face might have been extreme, but he'll think twice before trying that again. Since they got the goods back I doubt he'll get more than probation, well, unless he's not white - and you KNOW what I mean by that. A kick in the face is probably more effective than 30 days in jail as far as rehabilitation is concerned.
I'm not an advocate of violence in any way, but if someone fucks with you, the barrier becomes fuzzy.
Javaman
(62,521 posts)so you think then beating him up is okay as long as it "teaches him and others a lesson"???
how does two wrongs make a right? he stole they beat him up after the caught him.
This is why we have laws or do you instead perfer mafia justice?
wow, again.
you have a very skewed sense of reality.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Pulling a weapon was a sign of weakness. We didn't carry the knives for fighting, we had them for utility purposes. Hand-to-hand was all that was acceptable. Violating that was a way to become an outcast. You can call my sense of reality "skewed" if you want to, but there's a (perhaps primal) edge to protecting yourself and property with your own capabilities. Again, at least he didn't use a gun.
And yes, it will have taught the thief a lesson.
On Edit: I haven't lost a fist fight since second grade when I had three guys gang up on me.
Javaman
(62,521 posts)So every situation looks like a nail to you?
"I haven't lost a fist fight since second grade when I had three guys gang up on me." are you 12 years old and still in grade school?
so you are perfectly okay, with kicking someone after they have been caught and the cops are coming, huh? well, it's quite remarkable that you are still free and not in jail.
grow the hell up.
Wow.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)to use reasonable force to effect a citizen's arrest.
Store security guards detain suspected shoplifters all the time, for example.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)kicking him in the head is not a legal option.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)when he kicked the guy in the face. Sorry, he deserves to be charged on that. And the thief needs his ass in jail.
On edit: The shopkeeper also risked screwing up the case against the thief.
I was witness to a girl smashing into a neighbors car and attempting to flee the scene in her vehicle. A neighbor came out with a loaded gun, put it in her face and ordered her out of the car -- when she refused, he grabbed her by the hair and attempted to force her from the vehicle.
Long story short, the defense got the charges entirely dropped because they claimed the girl "feared for her life" and that was why she was trying to flee the scene.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)no need to chase them down the street and physically fight them. Shoot them right there while they're still in the store and simply (& truthfully) tell the cops that the guy was robbing the store. It will be called "self defense" and case closed.
Logical
(22,457 posts)no charges. Imagine if a COP did this. You would not even hear about it.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)If this was a police officer, everyone here would be marching against him. It's assault.