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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCurrent swing State polls meaningless, don't forget the SuperPACs
Whatever the polls say now, and whatever Romney says now are not going to decide the election. After the Conventions, and thanks to Citizens United, there will be literally hundreds of millions spent by SuperPACs against Obama, especially in the swing States. We have never seen this amount of unaccountable money spent on an a election, and if you don't think it will matter; ask John Kerry, who did not have the funds to fight the Swiftboat lies the way they needed to be.
Not saying Obama will lose, just reminding us of what could be the deciding factor.
BTW: It would be different if we had a media that called out lies for what they are. but they don't.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)likable and more caring about the average person. No amount of money can change those basic perceptions. Only an economic disaster could change the fundamentals in Romney's favor at this point.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Just look at what really happened in Pennsylvania this week: the Obama campaign confidently stopped buying commercial time in that Commonwealth while the press is still calling it a "battleground state." That battle is over and won, despite voter suppression and ad bombardment. Romney's goons lost millions on Pennsylvania, and the Pennsylvania state legislature is going to get stomped for trying to steal it for Romney, too.
Toss in Romney's crash-landing in Europe, teabaggers prodding the GOP far outside of the mainstream, and every Republican in the Senate voting against a middle class tax cut in an election year, and this is looking like a beatdown not seen in decades, perhaps not for eighty years.
When voters realize they're going to have to pay out of their own pockets in higher taxes to elect a tax-dodging pathological liar who worships the wrong sky pixie, it's over.
There is little room for any more stakes in the Republican heart, but I'll toss in one more, courtesy of my unusually prescient better half: SHE HAS PROCLAIMED that home-stealer and health-care denier Pam Bondi is going to be Romney's VP nominee. Bondi has been the long arm of the worst governor in the country, Rick Scott, and has personally overseen all of the outrage that has happened there, including fighting the Affordable Care Act that just made life easier for millions of female Floridians.
If you think my guesses have been spot on these past two years, know this: my girlfriend has never been wrong about a single political prediction. Not once. She's the gold standard of train wreck spotting, and she's had her binoculars on Bondi for three months.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)especially if in the months before the election unemployment creeps upward. The economy is not good and that is what is not helping Obama.
and hundreds of millions will be spent to drive that point home.
Johonny
(20,848 posts)when they spend all that money
Johonny
(20,848 posts)they're going to spend that money. If Romney doesn't bounce big after the Republican convention and maintains 30 % likable numbers, I think these superpacs say screw it and go for congress crown instead. I think the Superpacs learned from 2010 not to waste money on dead horses and focus the money on district level races where people have no chance of countering.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)They have already been spending millions in the swing states and we still see the results we do. Romney has a big problem and any dissent at the Republican Convention, which the Paul family supporters will be more than happy to provide, will only add to his dismay.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)a fraction of what they are going to spend.
Their plan is not to make Romney more likable, but to make Obama undesirable.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)and as a result will just stay home on Nov 6 to celebrate that on Nov 7 we can get back to regular tv commercials
Ian_rd
(2,124 posts)And that includes Pennsylvania and Florida. A poll from those states should look something like Omaba 51% (minus estimated 6% for Voter ID disenfranchisement).
If these laws go through, the polls and the will of the voters might not be enough to elect the candidate that the majority of Americans prefer.
abolugi
(417 posts)saturation point where the ads just become annoying. I remember that from Whitmans campaign in CA
You just get tired of it and they stop being effective.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)an all out effort in spending for Romeny by the SuperPACs. Tens of billions are not that much money for all those corporations and billionaires.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)edhopper
(33,575 posts)2000 and 2004, how did that turn out?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Yea I know turn off the tv but I like to watch the local news, I like to watch night time MSNBC, I like to watch certain programs and it seems these foockers have bought every second of primetime or popular (or not) programming to insert this crap.
My biggest hope is that the sheer number of nasty ads - I'm speaking specifically about GOP superPACs, RNC and Romney LIE ads will piss off so many people that this strategy becomes an EPIC FAIL for the GOP and its' Citizens United win.
I hope these foocker lose a shit load of money in the process.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)in the polls after his VP pick (especially if it's Condi) and convention.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)They might not be as much as the rethugs but he still has superpacs
edhopper
(33,575 posts)in the Romney's favor.
Oh Please, yourself.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)...gorilla but it'll get all broken up doing so.
edhopper
(33,575 posts)I think it is more like the 800lb Gorilla and the 50lb calf.