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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Thu May 3, 2018, 10:48 AM May 2018

A quote from president John Adams that is valid at this moment in our history.

" Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any others".

He was right, our constitution does not fully protect us from a person like Trump who has no morals, disregards norms, laws and the constitution. Even Nixon followed the law in the end. Trump may not.


The only check the founding fathers put in place was the power of impeachment. That only works if the congress and the people do their duty and are not corrupted themselves. If congress, the people become corrupt, the constitution is worthless.

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A quote from president John Adams that is valid at this moment in our history. (Original Post) shockey80 May 2018 OP
Misunderstand the quote? zipplewrath May 2018 #1
I believe I'm a moral person even though I'm not a religious person... CatMor May 2018 #2
Adams was balanced by the likes of Jefferson, who was a Deist and skeptic... Hekate May 2018 #5
I am a admirer of John Adams and..... CatMor May 2018 #6
Our country's greatest weakness has and always will be angrychair May 2018 #3
This is the fatal flaw in our system Moral Compass May 2018 #4

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
1. Misunderstand the quote?
Thu May 3, 2018, 10:56 AM
May 2018

The "people" in Adams' quote are us. Our constitution only works if WE are a moral and religious people. That presumes then that we will only elect moral and religious leaders.

I presume in this modern age, Adams probably would have dropped the religious part. But otherwise, what we have is a government of and by the "deplorables".

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
2. I believe I'm a moral person even though I'm not a religious person...
Thu May 3, 2018, 11:01 AM
May 2018

I wish he had left off the religious part.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
5. Adams was balanced by the likes of Jefferson, who was a Deist and skeptic...
Thu May 3, 2018, 02:35 PM
May 2018

John Adams was no fundamentalist.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
6. I am a admirer of John Adams and.....
Thu May 3, 2018, 03:26 PM
May 2018

think he was one of the best, if not the best of the founding fathers. Wish he had left the religious out of his quote. I think Jefferson being a thinker and hell of a author was a very flawed person.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
3. Our country's greatest weakness has and always will be
Thu May 3, 2018, 01:03 PM
May 2018

Fascism, the cult of personality.
With enough key support in Congress and the public there is little to nothing anyone can do to stop a fascist president from becoming a dictator.

Our checks and balances were crafted on the premise of everyone having the same basic principles, not on but jobs and cults of personality starting a fascist regime.

Moral Compass

(1,521 posts)
4. This is the fatal flaw in our system
Thu May 3, 2018, 02:29 PM
May 2018

The constitution has nothing in it that deals with a government and a block of the citizenry who are wholly without morals.

There is no provision if it is discovered that a candidate cheated to win an office. There are no provisions that deal with a party that refuses to honor the law.

I think we are about to find out whether those that do report to the President will choose the Constitution over the person of the President who is the titular Commander-in-Chief. Will they obey his orders even if those orders blatantly violate the Constitutional separation of powers?

He is lurching toward becoming “involved” with the Department of Justice because he is frustrated that he has been kept from using the Department of Justice to persecute those he sees as his enemies.

Will anyone that currently has the power rise up to stop him?

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