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sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:04 PM May 2018

'Wypipo' Explained

By Michael Harriot

Lately there has been an uptick on the internet in the use of the term “Wypipo.” While I prefer to use the colloquialism “Y. P. Pull” (in my opinion, it has a more refined, formal, almost European tone to it), it is impossible to ignore that the former wording has become more accepted in widespread usage.

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What is Wypipo? Wypipo is an alternative, partly phonetic spelling of the words “White People.”

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Do tell. How so? Well, first of all, Wypipo say shit like “do tell,” whereas there are a number of white people who would never utter that phrase. To understand fully, you must come to terms with one fact:

Not all white people are wypipo.

The two should not be confused or used interchangeably.


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Most white people love animals, but wypipo will kiss their dog in the mouth and feed them with the same silverware they are eating with. While it would be wrong to lump all white people’s motives towards humans and nonhumans together, wypipo generally love animals more than they love people. Wypipo can see an unarmed bullet-riddled black body leaking blood in the street and feel no empathy, but will be outraged upon hearing that someone mistreated a house cat. Wypipo steer clear of black neighborhoods and don’t think about the economic and social remnants of segregation on black youth, but will show up at Sea World with picket signs to protest the captivity of killer whales.

Read More: http://neguswhoread.com/wypipo-explained/

........................

Read on and understand not all white people are wypipo. Not all white people, I am one. We have huge racial issues that we all need to deal with. We need to be woke.

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'Wypipo' Explained (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2018 OP
Yes, the power imbalance means it isn't the same as using anti-black racist terms enki23 May 2018 #1
"greater fraction"???? heaven05 May 2018 #219
What is the goal of the purveyors of this tactic and how will it work out? Cary May 2018 #227
It certainly does. And you're right. nt 7962 May 2018 #278
White people shenanigans ProudLib72 May 2018 #2
His rationalization for a race based pejorative is weak. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #3
Oh, you mean whites? sheshe2 May 2018 #4
Well said. nt Atticus May 2018 #6
You aren't making the case that "wypipo" isn't a pejorative Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #8
Is that truly a "case" that needs to be made? George II May 2018 #12
I do not understand Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #16
I think they are mostly saying what everybody else has told them nolabels May 2018 #53
I highly recommend the book to others. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #117
I bet heaven05 May 2018 #224
Kudos for "logomachy". n/t sl8 May 2018 #102
It is a great word Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #115
Failed in making the case heaven05 May 2018 #223
+++ sheshe2 May 2018 #272
Exactly. ismnotwasm May 2018 #11
You've done it now, sheshe ProudLib72 May 2018 #26
Sort of ironic for someone with a Hillary Clinton avatar photo to post an article by this person oberliner May 2018 #47
Oops. Tipperary May 2018 #62
I don't get how some people who bash Democrats are OK to post oberliner May 2018 #71
Because people don't take time to research who they're praising RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #72
Bingo. Tipperary May 2018 #74
but this heaven05 May 2018 #228
You mean like people who bashed Al Franken Drahthaardogs May 2018 #175
Yes, exactly oberliner May 2018 #210
Okay some black people heaven05 May 2018 #226
And they can all get bent. n/m RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #265
still grasping heaven05 May 2018 #225
This...all of this!! Docreed2003 May 2018 #85
As a sidenote BumRushDaShow May 2018 #100
Honestly... Docreed2003 May 2018 #106
Believe it or not BumRushDaShow May 2018 #110
++++ nt heaven05 May 2018 #229
++ nt heaven05 May 2018 #221
We? I was never a slave owner. I never lynched anyone, I never raped anyone, I never beat anyone. wasupaloopa May 2018 #253
You didn't fight in the Revolution or know any presidents, but probably celebrate the 4th of July EffieBlack May 2018 #262
This! sheshe2 May 2018 #273
Agree. "Power imbalance" doesn't make it different. Beartracks May 2018 #5
See post 4 sheshe2 May 2018 #7
I did. Beartracks May 2018 #10
I agree. phylny May 2018 #63
Oh Goombas is fine here on DU Drahthaardogs May 2018 #177
"hostile and accusatory" heaven05 May 2018 #220
This is bigoted wonkwest May 2018 #9
not a slur heaven05 May 2018 #230
Are you white? wonkwest May 2018 #281
some white people heaven05 Jun 2018 #282
Just stop wonkwest Jun 2018 #283
no, I won't heaven05 Jun 2018 #284
Yet you'll complain wonkwest Jun 2018 #285
Thank you. Duppers May 2018 #280
The white tears in this thread. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #13
No tears just shaking head at the blatant hypocrisy Devil Child May 2018 #15
It's hypocritical for an oppressed population to coin humorous terms to describe their oppressors? WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #21
Non POC privilege rears it's ugly head. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #152
I'm Latino and yes, it is. John Fante May 2018 #179
Why? WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #183
I do hope you are not calling me a hypocrite, Devil Child. sheshe2 May 2018 #170
Is that not permitted? dumbcat May 2018 #186
This reminds me of the phrase "liberal tears" ... Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #17
It's probably from the use of the word "tears" in each example. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #20
Now see, if anyone dares express a negative opinion to this ridiculous and derogatory term, Tipperary May 2018 #73
Lmmfao... Docreed2003 May 2018 #83
Hey, Dorcreed. sheshe2 May 2018 #172
Hey sheshe!!! Docreed2003 May 2018 #203
Kudos to your wife, Docreed. sheshe2 May 2018 #204
Yeah...well Docreed2003 May 2018 #205
Ummmhmmm. sheshe2 May 2018 #274
Racist garbage? Absolutely, DO TELL! Devil Child May 2018 #14
Oh for Gods sake ismnotwasm May 2018 #18
Tell it, ism. sheshe2 May 2018 #174
"Switch white to anything else and there would be almost universal scorn and derision for such a WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #19
Partially agree Devil Child May 2018 #22
. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #23
Here you go Devil Child May 2018 #24
Switch white to anything else and it would make no sense unless we switched EVERYTHING EffieBlack May 2018 #42
Yes! Perfectly said. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #111
Damm! you're good. jrthin May 2018 #119
Yes betsuni May 2018 #121
If you switch EVERYTHING you wont have to worry about quibbling over words or speech Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #155
Now come on, Eliot. Be fair. You know all these things happen Hortensis May 2018 #200
+1 gollygee May 2018 #168
This sheshe2 May 2018 #176
I wonder what the Venn diagram is? Nevernose May 2018 #25
Or maybe some people are true to their liberal beliefs wonkwest May 2018 #30
True liberals understand the imbalance of power and control in America EffieBlack May 2018 #43
Shhhhh... white people can't take a joke! Docreed2003 May 2018 #87
I do understand that wonkwest May 2018 #165
Any white person who stops being an ally because Harriot or someone on DU said "Wypipo" EffieBlack May 2018 #166
Your thought is good in theory wonkwest May 2018 #169
It's not any black person's responsibility to tiptoe around making sure not to offend the tender EffieBlack May 2018 #173
no it isn't heaven05 May 2018 #234
It would look like one solid circle kcr May 2018 #108
Blapipo TCJ70 May 2018 #27
How many do you know use the phonetic term "blopipo"? Even one? George II May 2018 #31
Until today I'd never seen "wypipo" anywhere. TCJ70 May 2018 #37
It's NOT heaven05 May 2018 #236
Respelling a phrase (in this case "white people") and attaching all sorts of negatives to it is... TCJ70 May 2018 #249
"Anybody comfortable with this?" WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #33
What is the purpose of "wypipo"? TCJ70 May 2018 #36
"What is the purpose of 'wypipo'?" WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #38
What a bunch of bullshit. TCJ70 May 2018 #39
It's used as an adjective/adverb BumRushDaShow May 2018 #112
thou protesteth too much heaven05 May 2018 #237
So you're saying all white people are wypipo? TCJ70 May 2018 #250
wypipo heaven05 May 2018 #252
Perfect EffieBlack May 2018 #44
"As always, if it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you" - there's the problem muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #66
it's a descriptive word heaven05 May 2018 #239
Whataboutism. n/t phylny May 2018 #270
++ nt heaven05 May 2018 #238
That's partly true. Igel May 2018 #55
all blapipo ARE black people heaven05 May 2018 #235
out of respect, you should say afracamericapipo Bucky May 2018 #241
LOL!!!! heaven05 May 2018 #243
okay Bucky May 2018 #244
oh, thank you heaven05 May 2018 #247
Great Article nini May 2018 #28
Yup. ismnotwasm May 2018 #32
I wonder what this author would say about the man whose photo is your avatar oberliner May 2018 #48
So now you're defending the honor of the Clintons. betsuni May 2018 #56
Always oberliner May 2018 #67
Right! brer cat May 2018 #76
I guess all is forgiven. betsuni May 2018 #81
He can't be trusted on anything because DID YOU SEE WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE CLINTONS?!?! EffieBlack May 2018 #89
You're OK with him not voting for Hillary in the 2016 general election? muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #91
I don"t agree with him on that but that doesn't mean that nothing he has to say has any meaning EffieBlack May 2018 #94
Okay let's do the election again heaven05 May 2018 #245
How many? None, openly. That was why admin made everyone agree to support her. muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #248
I think it heaven05 May 2018 #251
It is meant as a pejorative; that's what the article in the OP is about muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #259
and heaven05 May 2018 #264
Ding ding ding! sheshe2 May 2018 #184
This message was self-deleted by its author muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #70
I read, enjoyed, and learned from William Safire's Sunday NYT column lapucelle May 2018 #211
I loved Safire's "On Language" column, like you I read it every week in the NYT Sunday Magazine. George II May 2018 #212
I didn't know that George. lapucelle May 2018 #213
Yes, he was the speech writer for both Nixon and Agnew. Even though he was a conservative... George II May 2018 #214
Posts by RW authors generally get alerted on and removed here oberliner May 2018 #216
No right wing author posted here; nor did any poster agree with any right wing political content. lapucelle May 2018 #217
If previous criticism of a Hillary Clinton was a bar to being cited on DU, this would be a very EffieBlack May 2018 #222
K&R Gothmog May 2018 #29
Sorry. I don't give credence to the opinions of anti-Democratic activists Steven Maurer May 2018 #34
But of course RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #40
Also the author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton" oberliner May 2018 #49
I object to the implication that loving animals more than people is wrong. Coventina May 2018 #35
Same here. I guess that makes us disgusting racists, huh? Tipperary May 2018 #96
Ironic. given it is the empathetic person who will act to change things, address injustices AND hlthe2b May 2018 #123
Me too Raine May 2018 #202
Ugly, divisive, ignorant, unproductive, racist crap that should have no place in this site. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #41
Well said oberliner May 2018 #51
Clearly, there needs to be a corollary to this discussion that touches on white fragility...Why Whit MrScorpio May 2018 #45
From the author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton" oberliner May 2018 #46
Take out a few of his race based complaints.... RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #52
Don't really know who that is oberliner May 2018 #68
Shapiro is a former Brietfart drone RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #75
I know someone.. sheshe2 May 2018 #188
I know some people who wrote in "Bernie Sanders" in the last general election oberliner May 2018 #209
Rec'd and kick'd lunatica May 2018 #50
You should NOT have had to post this, sheshe2. raven mad May 2018 #54
Thank you, raven mad. sheshe2 May 2018 #189
my mom probably would have gone nuts if she knew the places i went for estate sales. pansypoo53219 May 2018 #57
The thing about animals reminds me of what Gordon Gekko says in "Wall Street": betsuni May 2018 #58
Yep. sheshe2 May 2018 #190
... betsuni May 2018 #207
You too! sheshe2 May 2018 #208
Rubbish. GeorgeGist May 2018 #59
Yes, and I just spent some time learning about this person the op quoted. Tipperary May 2018 #65
Did you now. sheshe2 May 2018 #275
Sounds an awful lot like another tired old racist creed. SomethingNew May 2018 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers May 2018 #279
The power dynamic displayed in the reaction to "wypipo" is interesting. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #61
I'm offended when any group uses a derogatory label towards phylny May 2018 #64
+1 gollygee May 2018 #171
You might want to take the time to read up on this person you quote with such glee. Tipperary May 2018 #69
"Leave Hillary Alone!!!1111!!!" betsuni May 2018 #79
I just find it ironic. I have no doubts that Hillary can take care of herself. Tipperary May 2018 #92
I know all about his writings... sheshe2 May 2018 #191
He's basically what he pretends to hate BannonsLiver May 2018 #246
K&R ck4829 May 2018 #77
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #78
Don't you mean all people are racist to some degree? Hortensis May 2018 #80
Racism is cultural, not biological. betsuni May 2018 #84
Half wrong. But wholly wrong about no genetic Hortensis May 2018 #86
I don't understand what you mean. betsuni May 2018 #88
:) New info. Lots of it. Science may be out of style right now Hortensis May 2018 #101
Nope. betsuni May 2018 #103
True, they are. Hortensis May 2018 #105
in/out group bias is primarily genetic Mosby May 2018 #125
No betsuni May 2018 #126
So your answer to science is a simple "no"? Bradshaw3 May 2018 #135
Anthropology. betsuni May 2018 #136
Deflection. Bradshaw3 May 2018 #150
The emergence of different cultures and languages is the evidence of the instinct to be suspicious muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #95
No, humans don't have instincts. betsuni May 2018 #97
... muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #98
Anthropology. betsuni May 2018 #99
If humans had no instincts, then babies couldn't suckle, there would be no such thing as Coventina May 2018 #122
No. betsuni May 2018 #127
No Coventina May 2018 #130
No. betsuni May 2018 #132
No. Coventina May 2018 #133
That's not science betsuni May 2018 #134
Yes, it absolutely is. Why do people raise their babies? Why do we fear things? Coventina May 2018 #137
Evolution. betsuni May 2018 #140
Evolution builds on what is already there. It doesn't erase the past. Coventina May 2018 #142
No, babies are abandoned, people are disinterested in sex, and computers were invented by betsuni May 2018 #144
I do read, that's why I know the difference between anomalies and normative behavior. Coventina May 2018 #145
Well, at least you can read! betsuni May 2018 #146
Yes, and as a reader, please give me the source of a reputable anthropologist Coventina May 2018 #148
Anthropology is not "the denial of any instincts in humans" muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #138
Yes, and more positively, we're drawn TO our "own," Hortensis May 2018 #118
By the way, I live in Japan and betsuni May 2018 #114
Thanks for introducing this derogatory term, so we can emphasize our differences and fuel up racism! Chemisse May 2018 #82
You're totally missing the point. EffieBlack May 2018 #93
The "you don't know what's in her/his heart" is my favorite. betsuni May 2018 #104
I see your point. Chemisse May 2018 #147
This doesn't "fuel up racism" EffieBlack May 2018 #157
Thank you. cwydro May 2018 #193
White people... Docreed2003 May 2018 #90
Not sure I've seen The Weight-Shifting Dance on that scale before . . . hatrack May 2018 #129
It is captivating! Docreed2003 May 2018 #131
Discomfort vs Danger OneGrassRoot May 2018 #107
Thank you! EffieBlack May 2018 #159
Bingo! Boomer May 2018 #254
Thanks for this caraher May 2018 #109
Wypipo is self-explanatory, really. MineralMan May 2018 #113
If it "carries no particular meaning", why does it need a article that explains its meaning? muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #143
In the author's case BumRushDaShow May 2018 #158
This whole list is so all over the place and disjointed B2G May 2018 #116
Don't ever ask wypipo to bring the potato salad EffieBlack May 2018 #160
It's a Russian Salad Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #178
So to summarize what a Wypipo is, they are B2G May 2018 #120
You are trying to lump all of these things into a single person BumRushDaShow May 2018 #164
This is fucking STUPID. No offense to the OP. Kirk Lover May 2018 #124
I think from those participating, most agree it is a race based pejorative. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #128
Hey, some of us like most animals better than most people spooky3 May 2018 #139
Back when we used to have threads on feminists topics ismnotwasm May 2018 #141
This is just a different flavor of racial stereotyping. procon May 2018 #149
So. ismnotwasm May 2018 #151
Just stop. procon May 2018 #162
Stop what? ismnotwasm May 2018 #163
Very stupid term. IluvPitties May 2018 #153
Thanks for that article. Skidmore May 2018 #154
Well, I have to say I totally disagree on one thing. lark May 2018 #156
Trump and the KKK aren't really Wypipo. EffieBlack May 2018 #161
This term is now being discussed on a number of other threads Gothmog May 2018 #167
"Not all white people are wypipo." Yes, but we really need more things to divide us elocs May 2018 #180
My heart goes out to wypipo. NCTraveler May 2018 #181
As much as I applaud this (My palms ache) GaryCnf May 2018 #182
I can't help but notice that most of the people expressing the most offense about the term "wypipo" EffieBlack May 2018 #185
+1 Afromania May 2018 #187
You are really good at judging people XRubicon May 2018 #192
So far, yeah. Iggo May 2018 #196
Don't quit your day job. XRubicon May 2018 #197
Aw, you're sweet! Iggo May 2018 #198
I noticed that too, Effie. sheshe2 May 2018 #195
Thanks, SheShe - I feel the same about you! EffieBlack May 2018 #199
I second that! betsuni May 2018 #206
Kick and Reced! ehrnst May 2018 #194
WYPIPO DOO Goonch May 2018 #201
Thank you for sharing this pointed article Generic Other May 2018 #215
BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NT heaven05 May 2018 #218
Your OP's heaven05 May 2018 #231
... sheshe2 May 2018 #232
Michael Harriot, author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton" oberliner May 2018 #240
Liked or not heaven05 May 2018 #242
Though my name and post count do not show it, I have been here since 2001. This wypipo thing is the wasupaloopa May 2018 #258
Dear God, thank you. Used to be we worked against being divisive. That we worked for a common phylny May 2018 #271
Don't know how to look at this get the red out May 2018 #233
Don't lose perspective Boomer May 2018 #257
Totally agree. Caliman73 May 2018 #261
I think you are spot on! BumRushDaShow May 2018 #266
Shock indeed. Caliman73 May 2018 #268
Exactly right. BumRushDaShow May 2018 #269
"Not all blacks are n......, hell there's white n......." Abu Pepe May 2018 #255
Why are so many so upset on here? Maybe 'cause it touches a nerve? HopeAgain May 2018 #256
This is how we lose elections. grossproffit May 2018 #260
No, actually, it's not. EffieBlack May 2018 #267
Wypipo put raisins in the potato salad xmas74 May 2018 #263
I think it is how twitler pronounces the words white people. kimbutgar May 2018 #276
Another offensive thread that uses a slang term to describe people. Doodley May 2018 #277

enki23

(7,788 posts)
1. Yes, the power imbalance means it isn't the same as using anti-black racist terms
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:13 PM
May 2018

But yes, it's still a bit gross. And absolutely yes, it will be seized upon as an excuse to ratchet up the racial derogation for a greater fraction of the other side. And finally, there's a reason the arguments defending it take exactly the same form as the "well, there are black folk, and then there are n------" bullshit one tends to hear from racist asshats. Because, power imbalance, and history aside, it *is* exactly the same. Yes, those things should matter. But they won't. Not to most people who hear it. And no good will come of it.

I think some people are doing that self consciously, as sort of a subtle argument against the racist asshat position. But it appears some are just fucking clueless. And most of the people who hear it will hear the clueless version anyway. So it hardly matters.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
219. "greater fraction"????
Tue May 8, 2018, 09:39 AM
May 2018

hell "the greater fraction" has been used for generations by wypipo. This trying to get fear infused into AA by stating WE will catch MORE hell from white people is bunk. "Exactly the same", no it isn't nor has it ever been so. Institutional and systemic racism makes that claim b******t

Cary

(11,746 posts)
227. What is the goal of the purveyors of this tactic and how will it work out?
Tue May 8, 2018, 10:10 AM
May 2018

I don't see this advancing the cause. That's just my opinion. We have a Nazi in the White House who thrives on chaos and distraction. This particular tactic plays into his strategy.

I hope I'm wrong.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,322 posts)
3. His rationalization for a race based pejorative is weak.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:24 PM
May 2018

The word is hostile and accusatory. Mr Harriot is articulating negative values and placing them on people of a specific race. He is not talking about Asians, or other racial groups, who "love animals more than they love people" (assuming you believe they exist and the moral flaw is not confined to people of primarily European decent). It is specific subset of that group; "white" people who "love animals more than they love people."

Find me its equivalent as a description of people, or an individual, of any other race where it is not considered pejorative.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
4. Oh, you mean whites?
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:50 PM
May 2018
The word is hostile and accusatory. Mr Harriot is articulating negative values and placing them on people of a specific race.


Yep, he is doing that. Though says specifically, not all white people

Hostile? You wish to talk hostile about a word? Seriously? How about the hostile and inhuman acts we did to them over a century. How about slavery? Beatings? Lynching's? Rape? What we did was hostile and inhumane and you wish to discuss a word. How about the negative values that were placed on slaves, both men and women? Talk about negative values, they were rated when they were sold.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,322 posts)
8. You aren't making the case that "wypipo" isn't a pejorative
Fri May 4, 2018, 10:29 PM
May 2018

You are making the argument that the pejorative is deserved.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,322 posts)
16. I do not understand
Fri May 4, 2018, 10:49 PM
May 2018

The current logomachy over the word “wypipo” is whether or not it is a race based pejorative. I made the case it is; I assumed people arguing with me are making the case it isn’t a racial pejorative.

Are you saying it is self evident?

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
53. I think they are mostly saying what everybody else has told them
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:53 AM
May 2018

The echo chamber of civilization that reinforces what we see in the rippled waves that wash over us always wants to reinforce what has gone before. Those, whoever they might be, who want to castigate people into the "wypipo' do have a point. Then also, while wanting to blame any parties involved people might also want to remember some of it wasn't all personal choice. Not making an excuse for people who find it convenient to be ignorant but more of the reason that this is a topic.

Some get to see their way past it and see how it gets there. Then others just go with the flow because they are just lazy swimmers and think it will not matter for them.

P.s: I do love that book in your sig-line, I wish everybody would read or listen to it

Bok_Tukalo

(4,322 posts)
117. I highly recommend the book to others.
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:40 AM
May 2018

He gets a bit cheerleader for Buddhism but it doesn’t interfere. I love the book. It impressed me a great deal.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
223. Failed in making the case
Tue May 8, 2018, 09:53 AM
May 2018

you mean. The whitesplaining and rationalizations used to make AA racist for using wypipo is ludicrous. All I have to say is institutional and systemic use of racism is in the hands of ONE RACE ONLY. And that race continues to apply that power whenever and wherever it can be applied. Stop the whining about wypipo. Start whining about a Trayvon Martin, Tamir, Rice, Tanesha Anderson, Yvette Smith, unarmed and killed by authorities of the state, and Starbucks reaction to AA in that particular store. Wypipo is not an epithet. Like the word n****r. PERIOD.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
47. Sort of ironic for someone with a Hillary Clinton avatar photo to post an article by this person
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:30 AM
May 2018

Who authored: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton" during the campaign.

And who said that Hillary Clinton "doesn't mind using Black America as chattel"

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
71. I don't get how some people who bash Democrats are OK to post
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:23 AM
May 2018

That policy does not seem to be consistently applied.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
72. Because people don't take time to research who they're praising
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:25 AM
May 2018

It might be for all the wrong reasons.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
228. but this
Tue May 8, 2018, 10:11 AM
May 2018

is about wypipo. Not the author of an article. Wypipo is a colloquialism, nothing more, nothing less. Yet n****r is not. It a hate inducing word created by wypipo to stimulate evil in racist wypipo. I am VERY UPSET about that word. Tell all your associates and friends, if they use it, to stop. Then wypipo may stop. Naw. Never happen. Fits a whole crowd of 'deplorables' for sure and those hiding in a closet. Wypipo, grow up. It fits. Thank you Root for this article.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
175. You mean like people who bashed Al Franken
Sat May 5, 2018, 03:01 PM
May 2018

And later proven to have egg all over their faces.

People like that??? Are those the kinds of people you think should not be allowed to post here?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
226. Okay some black people
Tue May 8, 2018, 10:02 AM
May 2018

here didn't vote for Hillary. Many white people who post, posted that very sentiment here, still post here.

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
85. This...all of this!!
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:15 AM
May 2018

-signed a white, honkey, cracker ass cracker..

(The outrage and tears in this thread are just hilarious to me, and yet highlight the point perfectly!)

BumRushDaShow

(128,916 posts)
100. As a sidenote
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:53 AM
May 2018

I never understood why the term "honkey" is still used. It's just so '60s (although I know "cracker" goes way way back).

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
106. Honestly...
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:16 AM
May 2018

The only reason I know that word is because my dad loved "Airplane" and old school SNL when I was a kid...so between the classic Richard Pryor sketch and that film, I guess I picked it up from there...the only time I've ever heard it used in recent years is on the Dave Chapelle show, which was heavily inspired by Pryor.

BumRushDaShow

(128,916 posts)
110. Believe it or not
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:39 AM
May 2018

Limpballs uses it all the time to try to make idiotic points, so I know it does get used, but he never used or picked up any of the newer "slang" terms.

But Airplane was some funny ass shit. And sortof related to that, I finally finally saw Leslie Nielsen in a "serious" role in "Forbidden Planet" (for the first time a couple years ago although the movie came out 60-some years ago).

The one thing about some of these terms is when both groups use them for a similar meaning. You see "cracker" used here as part of a term and similarly represents the type of thing the OP is describing -



 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
253. We? I was never a slave owner. I never lynched anyone, I never raped anyone, I never beat anyone.
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:42 PM
May 2018

I never met a slave in my life.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
262. You didn't fight in the Revolution or know any presidents, but probably celebrate the 4th of July
Tue May 8, 2018, 02:16 PM
May 2018

and President’s Day.

History isn’t a smorgasbord. You can’t cherry pick the parts you want to own and pretend the other parts are irrelevant.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
63. I agree.
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:00 AM
May 2018

I put it in the same category as "Rednecks." Or what my family was called by a neighbor when we moved into our new house when I was a baby: Dagos. Or was it Wops? Hmm, maybe Goombahs? No, maybe it was Greasers.

The intent is clear when using a name. Maybe it makes people feel good to use the name. Maybe it makes them feel powerful. Nonetheless, it's snide.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
177. Oh Goombas is fine here on DU
Sat May 5, 2018, 03:05 PM
May 2018

A well known poster called Scaramucci one and then proceeded to tell everyone why it was not racists.

It got lots of Recs.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
220. "hostile and accusatory"
Tue May 8, 2018, 09:40 AM
May 2018

fear much? Cause you are whitesplaining and rationalizing white racism too much.

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
9. This is bigoted
Fri May 4, 2018, 10:36 PM
May 2018

Trying to invent a new racial slur on the internet against one group isn't as cute as this author seems to think it is.

It seems this is a converse of the old racist meme "There are black people and there are n-----."

Neither sentiment is remotely ok.

It's weird to me that some people are comfortable with this kind of content being posted here. Our side is supposed to be better.

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
281. Are you white?
Thu May 31, 2018, 10:03 PM
May 2018

Then it's not up to you to say, really. Just as I don't decide for you what terms you should and should not be ok with or consider a slur against your ethnicity.

I don't allow straight people to let me know what gay-related pejoratives I should be ok with either.

Accord the respect to others you would demand for yourself. It's not a difficult concept. White people who are not racist have expressed very respectfully that they dislike the term and are not comfortable with its use.

The end. No, "But, but, but it's different!" You know who thinks that way?

Wypipo.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
282. some white people
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 11:02 AM
Jun 2018

fit the category understood by me as a racist sub-group of whites from many European ethnicities.

In ameriKKKa now I just have to listen to the conversation(s) at the 'farmer's market' to hear more native Europen language(s) being spoken than I have ever heard. I am 70.

Now to you being offended/confused by the classification term, American wypipo in relation to people from many ethnicities in the white race. I say wypipo's is fair and balanced a term that gives recognition and classification to hateful racist white people who DO NOT reflect the racism that has been poisoning the well water of this society since it's goddamn inception based on genocide and slavery. Which has represented to me, historically, as white people trying to get a classification on the red and brown skin people(s), that is still in use and as of 2018, on steroids, by the classification of a sub-group of white people, headed by d.trump who is doing a hell of a lot of pardoning to let his russiagate co-conspirator wypipo know, don't talk, I will pardon you. It really is pretty simple. There are allies and then there aren't. A classification ability, hate looks, spitting in ones direction and presence keeps me safe when in interactions on the street with the whole of society's white people and wypipo. What should an adherent of David DUKE, D'nish d-sousa, donald trump, steve bannon, gorka, alec jones et al; be classified as, I ask you? Racist? Bigoted? Prejudiced? THE waffle House shooter was wypipo. Every hateful racist coward hiding behind a badge and state authority who kills/murders/executes/imposes fatal summary judgement on ANY unarmed AA for BS like j-walking, not being respectful enough, speaking one's mind about an obviously racially profiled stop, killed for having a licensed weapon, undrawn and unthreatening, walking through one's own community, with things bought from the stop and rips, having a phone in hand whether they be raised or not. These are wypipo and I SHALL stick with the classification.

The open hostility shown to me by white persons now is much more prevalent than say 6-7-8 years ago. I mean let's get real here, I can't move faster than a snail in a wheelchair and white people, in cars, in stores, see me, don't know me or my experience from adam, locking their car doors, clutching that purse pretty defensively there.....it's fear of black from all fox news is filling their receptive minds with.

For your information I'm bi-racial. I don't stand for ugly from any race or culture. And will call out AA on any unreasoned hate as I will a potential Vegas or Parkland shooters. Two wypipo for sure.

And I will tell any white person anything I deduce about their racism and/or racial hostility especially if directed to me or mine or unjust behaviour or language against different cultures, NOT European. Brother Harriot is right on. No matter your umbrage at an AA making a definition fit the crime. It really was just slang for white people.

Hey 'it' hit as a definition of a sub-culture of all those white new and old immigrants speaking different Europen languages, who hate on race and class because ameriKKKa teaches white people how to become wypipo. One of our posters here had a huge thread when that poster referred to wypipo from an article that poster had read at the theroot.com.

https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/roseanne-barr-says-she-begged-abc-to-let-her-make-amend-1826477697 wypipo, for sure.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/01/from-black-panthers-to-bbq-becky-the-displacement-of-black-oakland

Have a good one

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
283. Just stop
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:20 PM
Jun 2018

Racist white people rationalize their shittiness.

You're trying to rationalize shittiness.

Don't.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
284. no, I won't
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:22 PM
Jun 2018

I could ask you to do the same thing, but.....I won't. I had a lot of fun with this OP and you.

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
285. Yet you'll complain
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:41 PM
Jun 2018

"Why don't people hear me?"

Because you're rationalizing shittiness. But, I feel like this is going to remain a deep mystery for you for some time to come.

And then you'll blame everyone else.

Carry on. Apparently you believe this model works for you.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,322 posts)
17. This reminds me of the phrase "liberal tears" ...
Fri May 4, 2018, 10:56 PM
May 2018

... expressed by tribal conservatives when faced with rhetorical pushback they can’t effectively refute.

It is simply malicious ridicule instead of reasoned argument.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,331 posts)
20. It's probably from the use of the word "tears" in each example.
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:05 PM
May 2018

I often use the term myself to describe butthurtedness when I see it. "Butthurt" is a jocular term that means "annoyed all out of proportion to the supposed offense."

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
73. Now see, if anyone dares express a negative opinion to this ridiculous and derogatory term,
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:28 AM
May 2018

we are immediately labeled as such. See how that works? Gosh, I am not real wild about my dog kissing me on the mouth, but she does sleep on my bed. Horror of horrors! I had no idea my love for my animals meant I was a disgusting racist. Oh the shame!

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
83. Lmmfao...
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:13 AM
May 2018

I mean, it's glorious! The pretzels people are twisting themselves into to justify their posts against this are just incredible. I say this with total seriousness as a pasty white, cracker ass, honkey...white people gonna white people.

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
203. Hey sheshe!!!
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:44 PM
May 2018

My wife made a "white people" joke at dinner tonight and I just had to lol!!!! And she has not clue about this "controversy"!

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
14. Racist garbage? Absolutely, DO TELL!
Fri May 4, 2018, 10:47 PM
May 2018
To understand fully, you must come to terms with one fact:

Not all white people are wypipo.

The two should not be confused or used interchangeably


Switch white to anything else and there would be almost universal scorn and derision for such a thought process. Embracing derogatory racial labels and stereotypes does no one any good. Rationalize it all you want but at the end of the day it remains fundamentally racist.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
18. Oh for Gods sake
Fri May 4, 2018, 10:59 PM
May 2018


Race
Racialization
Whiteness
White Privilege
What is Racism
What You Need To Know
Understanding Whiteness

To understand the history of the ideology of ‘race,' and combating racism today, involves understanding (and challenging) ‘whiteness' as the foundation of racial categories and racism.

At first glance, it may seem that in common usage in Alberta, the word ‘white' is used to refer specifically to ‘skin colour' or ‘race.' Initially, this might seem like reverting back to, or reinforcing, the old (and racist) categories of European imperialism, and in some cases, it may in fact be meant that way! (We are profoundly concerned, for example, by the increase in neo-Nazi/white supremacist activity in our province.) In our experience, however, we have found that when people refer to ‘white people' (either in self-identifying, or identifying individuals/groups), it is in fact being used as a shorthand reference to whiteness, about which people may have varied understandings you will need to clarify. In other words, it is being used as a shorthand for the privileges/power that people who appear ‘white' receive, because they are not subjected to the racism faced by people of colour and Indigenous people.

As with the term ‘race,' it is important to clarify the differences between "white" (a category of ‘race' with no biological/scientific foundation) and "whiteness" as a powerful social construction with very real, tangible, violent effects. Here are some useful definitions of ‘whiteness,' followed by a list of its key features:

Racism is based on the concept of whiteness--a powerful fiction enforced by power and violence. Whiteness is a constantly shifting boundary separating those who are entitled to have certain privileges from those whose exploitation and vulnerability to violence is justified by their not being white (Kivel, 1996, p. 19).

‘Whiteness,' like ‘colour' and ‘Blackness,' are essentially social constructs applied to human beings rather than veritable truths that have universal validity. The power of Whiteness, however, is manifested by the ways in which racialized Whiteness becomes transformed into social, political, economic, and cultural behaviour. White culture, norms, and values in all these areas become normative natural. They become the standard against which all other cultures, groups, and individuals are measured and usually found to be inferior (Henry & Tator, 2006, pp. 46-67).

Drawing on the important work of Ruth Frankenberg (1993), the authors of Teach Me to Thunder: A Manual for Anti-Racism Trainers, write that whiteness is

a dominant cultural space with enormous political significance, with the purpose to keep others on the margin....white people are not required to explain to others how ‘white' culture works, because ‘white' culture is the dominant culture that sets the norms. Everybody else is then compared to that norm....In times of perceived threat, the normative group may well attempt to reassert its normativity by asserting elements of its cultural practice more explicitly and exclusively. (21)

An example of this normative whiteness was the furor concerning Baltej Singh Dhillon's fight to wear a turban, for religious reasons, as part of his RCMP uniform. The argument that the Mountie uniform was a ‘tradition' that should not be changed belied white Canadians' perceptions of Sikh people and communities of colour as ‘threatening' their position of privilege in Canada.

Key Features of Whiteness

Whiteness is multidimensional, complex, systemic and systematic:

It is socially and politically constructed, and therefore a learned behavior
It does not just refer to skin colour but is ideology based on beliefs, values behaviors, habits and attitudes, which result in the unequal distribution of power and privilege based on skin colour (Frye, 1983; Kivel, 1996)
It represents a position of power where the power holder defines the categories, which means that the power holder decides who is white and who is not (Frye, 1983)
It is relational. "White" only exists in relation/opposition to other categories/locations in the racial hierarchy produced by whiteness. In defining ‘others,' whiteness defines itself.
It is fluid - who is considered white changes over time (Kivel, 1996)
It is a state of unconsciousness: whiteness is often invisible to white people, and this perpetuates a lack of knowledge or understanding of difference which is a root cause of oppression (hooks, 1994)
It shapes how white people view themselves and others, and places white people in a place of structural advantage where white cultural norms and practices go unnamed and unquestioned (Frankenberg, 1993). Cultural racism is founded in the belief that "whiteness is considered to be the universal . . . and allows one to think and speak as if Whiteness described and defined the world." (Henry & Tator, 2006, p. 327)
White versus Whiteness

race is scientifically insignificant.
race is a socially constructed category that powerfully attaches meaning to perceptions of skin colour; inequitable social/economic relations are structured and reproduced (including the meanings attached to skin colour...) through notions of race, class, gender, and nation.
whiteness is a set of normative privileges granted to white-skinned individuals and groups; it is normalized in its production/maintenance for those of that group such that its operations are ‘invisible' to those privileged by it (but not to those oppressed/disadvantaged by it); it has a long history in European imperialism and epistemologies (for those who are of mixed ancestry and ‘pass' as white, this normativity, I would assume, would not occur).
distinct but not separate from ideologies and material manifestations of ideologies of class, nation, gender, sexuality, and ability.
the meaning of ‘whiteness' is historical and has shifted over time (ie Irish, southern European peoples-Italian, Spanish, Greek; have at times been ‘raced' as non-white).


http://www.ucalgary.ca/cared/racialization

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,331 posts)
19. "Switch white to anything else and there would be almost universal scorn and derision for such a
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:02 PM
May 2018

thought process.'

If only there was universal scorn and derision for any slurs. But there aren't. We know what happens when we "switch white to anything else." We end up with white hegemony. If racism really were limited only to slurs, "wypipo" would indeed be as hurtful as the n-word or any other racial slur. But under white hegemony, terms used by racial minorities to mock white people cannot reduce the privilege white people have as white people.

Is it a race-based slur? Sure. Does it carry the same power as slurs white people use against POC? Nope. I mean sure, white people can be butthurt about it. Nothing stopping them. But really, all that slur will do is make them butthurt. It's not a tool to keep them oppressed the way slurs against POC are.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
22. Partially agree
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:07 PM
May 2018
Is it a race-based slur? Sure. Does it carry the same power as slurs white people use against POC? Nope. I mean sure, white people can be butthurt about it. Nothing stopping them. But really, all that slur will do is make them butthurt. It's not a tool to keep them oppressed the way slurs against POC are.


No disagreement with this and not arguing equivalency. I wouldn't take the stand that wypipo has the same history and use as a tool of oppression as the N-word brings. Just in disagreement with the mindset of the linked article that some slurs are acceptable or able to be rationalized.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,331 posts)
23. .
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:24 PM
May 2018
"Just in disagreement with the mindset of the linked article that some slurs are acceptable or able to be rationalized."


Yeah, so it's not clear to me; are you saying it's unacceptable for an oppressed population to use mocking terms against its oppressor?
 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
24. Here you go
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:35 PM
May 2018
Yeah, so it's not clear to me; are you saying it's unacceptable for an oppressed population to use mocking terms against its oppressor?

Well you are phrasing the question in highly specific terms so I will respond in kind. I am in disagreement with the appropriateness of the use of racial slurs and embracing of negative racial stereotypes. That is all.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
42. Switch white to anything else and it would make no sense unless we switched EVERYTHING
Sat May 5, 2018, 01:48 AM
May 2018

including history, societal dynamics, numbers, equity gaps, who is in control and who is doing the oppressing.

But in isolation, trying to impose the shoe on the other foot test to argue that a word is somehow unfair to the majority in the same way a pejorative negatively impacts an oppressed minority, is just an excuse for a non-oppressed majority to control.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
155. If you switch EVERYTHING you wont have to worry about quibbling over words or speech
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:47 PM
May 2018

because the first non POC lynched, the first non POC (i cant use that W word, too risky) gunned down for walking down a street (Trayvon Martin) doing nothing, the first non POC choked to death for selling a cigarette (Eric Garner), the first non POC killed for jaywalking (Michael Brown) or killed for listening to loud music (Jordan Davis), the entire nation would be on fire.

Speech would be on the back burner, while we would be putting out actual fires everywhere.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
200. Now come on, Eliot. Be fair. You know all these things happen
Sat May 5, 2018, 05:46 PM
May 2018

to "non POC" in significantly greater absolute numbers. POC are only 13% of the population, whites over 77%.

For sure POC are several times more likely to be victimized for the crime of being wherever at the wrong time than whites, and surely that truth is more than enough to be outraged about?

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
25. I wonder what the Venn diagram is?
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:41 PM
May 2018

Between:

“Even though I’m white, the term ‘wypipo’ is harmless, funny, and doesn’t faze me in he least.”

“The term ‘wypipo’ is a racist pejorative and hypocritical, unintentional or otherwise”

and

“Black people say the N-word, so why can’t i?”

Because I’m guessing that there’s a much higher crossover between certain combinations.

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
30. Or maybe some people are true to their liberal beliefs
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:01 AM
May 2018

And believe that racial pejoratives directed at other groups have no place in our society, period.

People can say what they want about themselves within their own group. As a gay man, I hear plenty of "f----t" or homo from other gay men (ever listen to drag queens for about five minutes? They have all the best words that are inwardly directed and recognized in the community).

And that's fine. But, imagine if a straight person started using those words towards gay people? Wouldn't go over so well. So it is that white people - or any non-black ethnicity - shouldn't be using black-based pejoratives towards that community.

Denigrating white people by non-white groups with racial pejoratives shouldn't be ok in civil discourse. But, if you want to be nasty, by all means, be nasty. Just don't be shocked if someone points out you're being nasty.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
43. True liberals understand the imbalance of power and control in America
Sat May 5, 2018, 01:53 AM
May 2018

and understand that a minority using certain terms as a means of release and comedy is significantly different than a majority's use of perjoratives that they are in a position to inject and internalize into the culture and governance in a way that negatively impacts the lives of the people they're discussing - and they don't try to equate the two and pretend that they suffer victimization equivalent to the minority's.

True liberals wouldn't even embarrass themselves by saying such a thing because they know it's ridiculous.

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
87. Shhhhh... white people can't take a joke!
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:18 AM
May 2018

Clearly from this thread!!! (Here's where I should put the sarcasm emoji but I'm not...lol)

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
165. I do understand that
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:32 PM
May 2018

I really do. Effie, I like you. I like how you highlight things I may not have otherwise seen. One of the best parts of your presence here is how you are always providing a window into the black experience that white people may be clueless about. When I see your OPs, I listen, and oftentimes I learn.

This? It's just people being alienating jerks. It may feel good, but it doesn't help us. Talking shit about white people may be a release, but in the non-message board world, we need to win elections to effect real change and real social justice.

This stuff doesn't help at all. Republicans can pick this up and go, "See, Democrats hate you."

No no no.

White people need to be allies in social justice if we're to go where we need to be. This stuff makes allies of no one. That's my real, practical objection.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
166. Any white person who stops being an ally because Harriot or someone on DU said "Wypipo"
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:39 PM
May 2018

they weren't allies in the first place.

Fighting for civil rights is not some gift that white people bestow upon us conditionally, as long as we behave as they want us to - and the minute one or even a few of us say something they don't like or say something in a way they find objectionable, they pack up and leave.

That's not how it works. White allies aren't doing us a favor by being our allies and if they are truly allies, they don't get offended and storm out over picayune shit like black people making jokes about "Wypipo."

That said, I appreciate the compliment and am glad you find meaning in my posts.

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
169. Your thought is good in theory
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:49 PM
May 2018

(I'm going to reference my own status a lot in getting my point across)

No one is going to suddenly be racist because Wypipo. But it will reinforce a predilection. If a white person is coming around, making steps, trying to be a better person, and then they see, "We just hate white people," it's very counterproductive. It turns future allies off.

My family is uber Catholic. I came out, I wrestled with them. Today, everything is fine. My parents are like, "Are you bringing your boyfriend with you?" in a positive way when I travel to see them.

What I don't do is make fun of them for being Catholic. I don't denigrate them. I don't tell them how wrong they are. I tell them, "This is who I am, this is my life, and this is my happiness." That's a much smoother road.

Wypipo is adversarial. If you want a fight, you'll get a fight. I just don't want a fight. There are better ways. That's where I'm coming from.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
173. It's not any black person's responsibility to tiptoe around making sure not to offend the tender
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:59 PM
May 2018

sensibilities of potential former racists.

Funny how when white people offend US - whether by calling the cops on us, voting for racists, arresting and killing us or something else, we're not supposed to make too big a deal about it because we might offend white folk and that would of course, be "divisive." But if white folk are offended by something one of us says, they not only have full right to express it, but they that's an excuse for them to revert to racism.

Maybe instead of lecturing us about how we should speak, behave and protest, our white allies can take on the responsibility of working with their brethren to get over themselves and to stop being racists whether or not some random black person hurt their feelings.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
234. no it isn't
Tue May 8, 2018, 10:56 AM
May 2018

I will fight you anytime, metaphorically, about how much your response REFLECTS uber white privilege and entitlement that so many wypipo in society and here enjoy. Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
27. Blapipo
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:52 PM
May 2018

What is Blapipo? Blapipo is an alternative, partly phonetic spelling of the words “Black People.”

Do tell. How so? Well, first of all, Blapipo say shit like “do tell,” whereas there are a number of black people who would never utter that phrase. To understand fully, you must come to terms with one fact:

Not all black people are blapipo.

Anybody comfortable with this?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
37. Until today I'd never seen "wypipo" anywhere.
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:24 AM
May 2018

Does it matter? Since apparently pejoratives against subsets of people are ok maybe I’ll start using it.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
236. It's NOT
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:02 AM
May 2018

pejorative. It's white people. Is the term white people pejorative? Go ahead I want to see YOUR pejoratives. Can't wait.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
249. Respelling a phrase (in this case "white people") and attaching all sorts of negatives to it is...
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:16 PM
May 2018

...not something I'd like to condone. Think about it the opposite way. If someone took "black people" and shortened it to blapipo and assigned negative things to it's meaning, it'd be outright deemed unacceptable as it should be.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,331 posts)
33. "Anybody comfortable with this?"
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:16 AM
May 2018

No, but mainly because your post doesn't make sense. White people don't say "blapipo" to oppress and hurt black people. They say the n-word. POC don't say "wypipo" to oppress and hurt white people. "Wypipo" doesn't hold the institutional power that the n-word as well as the concept itself hold.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
36. What is the purpose of "wypipo"?
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:23 AM
May 2018

To belittle and hurt? Any pejorative term used against a subset of people is wrong as far as I’m concerned. If equality is the goal, it has to be. No matter what power anyone has.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,331 posts)
38. "What is the purpose of 'wypipo'?"
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:38 AM
May 2018

To give us a bigger vocabulary to talk about white supremacy. White supremacy is not just the southern sheriff and dogs and hoses and segregated schools and redlining. It's the nice, concerned, upstanding and sometimes even liberal everyday people who benefit from white hegemony and aren't comfortable talking about dismantling it because they're afraid of what they might lose. As always, if it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you.

Any pejorative term used against a subset of people is wrong as far as I’m concerned.


The languages of the oppressed -- slang, codes, argots, etc. -- are a valuable tool for helping them manage life under oppression, as well as to help them overcome it. Describing a hegemony as a "subset" is a little disingenuous, really.

If equality is the goal, it has to be. No matter what power anyone has.


If you think using the term "wypipo" is on par with the n-word, equality is not your goal.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
39. What a bunch of bullshit.
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:53 AM
May 2018

Your entire first paragraph. Bullshit. Look at what the author says about the term itself. Apparently dancing in the “wrong” place earns you this title.

Describing a hegemony as a "subset" is a little disingenuous, really.


But you said the term isn’t meant to describe an entire group. Or is it? Just more bullshit.

If you think using the term "wypipo" is on par with the n-word, equality is not your goal.


Anyone who uses either term against another is an asshole as far as I’m concerned.

BumRushDaShow

(128,916 posts)
112. It's used as an adjective/adverb
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:58 AM
May 2018

Are you aware that black people use the term "negro" as an adjective vs a noun (including in terms such as "HNIC" which is descriptive)?

You want to see "wypipo" as a literal collective noun whereas it's a slang adjective for a specific "type" of behavior by some whites. Just like "negro" being used to describe a specific "type" behavior used by some blacks.

So you could theoretically say "He is acting like a wypipo (white) person" but the slang version drops the "white person" adjective/noun that is being modified by "wypipo" as an adverb by saying - "He is acting like a wypipo" (or drop the article "a" to make it "He is acting wypipo" ).

The point of doing this is to actually remove the "broad-brush" and focus on the behavior that runs counter to any type of societal common sense. I.e., their having a complete disconnect about why acting the way they do can cause harm. In some cases, you may see hyperbole used to underscore the depth of the disconnect.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
252. wypipo
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:25 PM
May 2018

self-explanatory after I got what it means. Mr. Harriot DID NOT call wypipo anything they are not. Wypipo are white people. What's the problem? In your experience what does wypipo mean to you? You feel like someone called you a n****r or something derogatory? What?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
66. "As always, if it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you" - there's the problem
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:13 AM
May 2018

If this is something that doesn't apply to some who would fall under the term "white people", then when you use it, you're going to have to explain why it's about specific behaviours, and not about what it appears to be. Which makes it fairly useless as a word so far, if it has to be followed with a far longer definition.

On DU, I can find 2 examples of DUers using it themselves, in all of DU's existence. And 3 examples of people linking to Michael Harriot using it, which were all in the past 2 days (and one of which is this explanation).

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
239. it's a descriptive word
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:09 AM
May 2018

Last edited Wed May 9, 2018, 08:50 AM - Edit history (1)

used by MANY in society who are talking about wypipo. I don't see the problem, as many here may not see a problem in using the descriptive word defining a race of people as n****rs.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
55. That's partly true.
Sat May 5, 2018, 03:26 AM
May 2018

But a lot of whites use "black people" because it's a neutral replacement for the n-word that they can still hang their prejudice on.

If you listen to the words, it's not hateful. If you listen to the content--just a little less superficially--it still is.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
235. all blapipo ARE black people
Tue May 8, 2018, 10:59 AM
May 2018

as wypipo are ALL white people. Period. What's your point? Doesn't offend me. Now I'll tell you the word that does offend me, oh you know it already. I won't belabour the point.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
243. LOL!!!!
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:28 AM
May 2018

"pipoacula". What is that. It took me a minute to understand the term wypipo. Am I slow on the uptake sometimes?...sigh yes

nini

(16,672 posts)
28. Great Article
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:52 PM
May 2018

Loved the last part:


But if you stop crying for a few seconds, and listen to the universe, you just might be able to hear the world’s tiniest man playing an even-tinier piano. He is strumming a sad song, collectively written by the ancestors of slaves, the descendants of Jim Crow’s strange fruit and the marginalized people all across America. Its low-volume wail reflects the buckets of white tears and caucasian pain felt by the aggrieved souls of whiteness everywhere.
It is officially entitled “Blues For Butthurt White Snowflakes in the Age of Resistance”

We call it “Wypipo music.”



Unfortunately I know a lot of people that term applies to.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
48. I wonder what this author would say about the man whose photo is your avatar
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:31 AM
May 2018

Considering what he has said about Bill and Hillary Clinton.

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
76. Right!
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:42 AM
May 2018

And where are the Clinton "purity" police when we need them? Oh, wait...

Deflection usually means someone hit the target.

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
81. I guess all is forgiven.
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:07 AM
May 2018

The status quo oligarch establishment Wall Street warmonger neoliberal corporatist stuff: GONE!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
91. You're OK with him not voting for Hillary in the 2016 general election?
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:36 AM
May 2018

And writing articles why that was the right thing to do?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
94. I don"t agree with him on that but that doesn't mean that nothing he has to say has any meaning
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:43 AM
May 2018

I don't agree with what a lot of people think about the Clinton's but that doesn't make everything else they say or write is irrelevant or unworthy.

I'm far too intelligent to think like that.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
245. Okay let's do the election again
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:39 AM
May 2018

how many here were OK with not voting for HRC because their emotions were wrapped up in another primary election candidate LOSER. Free speech is why it was okay for the backers of a primary election candidate LOSER to not say nice things about HRC and he wasn't/isn't a Democrat? Harriot has free speech rights and while I do not agree with him, have fought and will defend his right to say what he pleases about any candidate running for office. All this is distraction and diversion from his wypipo colloquialism. Lots of poor people got their fe fe's hurt. Their entitlement and privilege do not allow any brown person to find non pejorative words as used by many, many people BEFORE Harriot wrote his piece. And still is. I know damn well it's part of my personal dictionary now and forever.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
248. How many? None, openly. That was why admin made everyone agree to support her.
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:56 AM
May 2018

Sure, he can say what he wants. But since this word was mainly brought to DU by people quoting this idiot, it's fair to ask if it is, in fact, an idiotic word that makes things worse. The acrimony on DU indicates it does make things worse.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
251. I think it
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:20 PM
May 2018

will get rid of the stink of hypocrisy that is heavy in the air because of people NOT wanting wypipo to describe their existence. It's all about a one-word description of members of one race that raises the hackles of the entitled and privileged here. Nothing more, nothing less.

So maybe it will have the opposite effect to your analysis of things getting worse because of the term wypipo. I hope the word helps disperse the stink of hypocrisy evident in a lot of responses here about the colloquialism wypipo vs what AA have been derogatorily called for generations. Racism in ameriKKKa will never end. Too many generations have perpetuated a hate based on skin colour. If wypipo hate the description wypipo, a non pejorative description, unlike the pejoratives, used to describe black people. No sweat. I feel it is because of some who hate to look in the mirror at themselves, catch a glimpse and don't like what they see.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
259. It is meant as a pejorative; that's what the article in the OP is about
Tue May 8, 2018, 01:22 PM
May 2018

It explains, at some length, what is wrong with the people he calls "wypipo", and criticizes, for instance, Whoopi Goldberg for often siding with them.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
264. and
Tue May 8, 2018, 04:42 PM
May 2018

it still doesn't take away from the FACT, wypipo means white people. I don't care what he put the term with as far as the conduct of white people is concerned. Whether wypipo or white people, you still can be called to account for the continuing racism, mistrust and evil deeds, historically and today as written by Mr. Harriot. Sick of the whining about WYPIPO. The term wypipo is not pejorative in its base meaning. I don't care what was attached to the word wypipo. Wypipo have been attaching much evil to the words, black people for generations. Yet the term black people is not pejorative in its descriptive meaning. I prefer the term person of color or specifically when warranted, African-american. I am done with this pity party.

Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
211. I read, enjoyed, and learned from William Safire's Sunday NYT column
Sun May 6, 2018, 09:00 AM
May 2018

"On Language" pretty much every Sunday while he was writing, despite his right wing Republican politics and his virulent and irrational Clinton hatred, and as a graduate student was able to appreciate the Grimm brothers' ground breaking work in linguistics without reference to the more troubling aspects of their unrelated hobby of writing tales for children.

It might help if people were better able to make distinctions between a commentator's pursuit of semiotic inquiry and understanding and his political perspective on one particular figure. It's an intellectual version of being able to walk and chew gum at the same time. (See also ignoratio elenchi)

George II

(67,782 posts)
212. I loved Safire's "On Language" column, like you I read it every week in the NYT Sunday Magazine.
Sun May 6, 2018, 09:26 AM
May 2018

He had a brilliant grasp of the English Language, and I learned quite a bit just from reading.

Did you know he was the person who coined Spiro Agnew's phrase "Nattering Nabob of Negativism"?

George II

(67,782 posts)
214. Yes, he was the speech writer for both Nixon and Agnew. Even though he was a conservative...
Sun May 6, 2018, 09:43 AM
May 2018

...republican, and I disagreed with him on many of the things he said, his demeanor made you like him anyway.

He wasn't a 21st Century conservative republican. He wasn't belligerent and abusive, he was respectful.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
216. Posts by RW authors generally get alerted on and removed here
Mon May 7, 2018, 06:28 AM
May 2018

It just seems like there is some inconsistency at times regarding those who will dismiss an OP because the author has conservative leanings but then say the other views of a different author don't matter if they agree with the content.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
222. If previous criticism of a Hillary Clinton was a bar to being cited on DU, this would be a very
Tue May 8, 2018, 09:42 AM
May 2018

different place.

Steven Maurer

(459 posts)
34. Sorry. I don't give credence to the opinions of anti-Democratic activists
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:17 AM
May 2018
The Democratic Party Is Not Our Friend

He's just another extremist kook. Oh, and that "last real Negus" thing he puts as his tag line? If you're an educated black or wander through that community, they'll tell you just how eye-rollingly stupid it is. It's kind of like a guy claiming to be the "last real thane".



 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
40. But of course
Sat May 5, 2018, 01:09 AM
May 2018

This guy isn’t making fun of the Sarah Sanders evangelicals hillbillies or Wall Street Trumps. This is a square shot at “limousine liberals” and “trust fund hippy college kids”. Hence the shit about feeding dogs at the table and signs at Sea World. It’s astounding this sort of “anti-libtard” tripe is allowed here, unless the proponents are generally ignorant at who this is aimed at.....

Never mind it’s inherent problematic tip of the hat to certain “dialect” which is most certainly not a shot at caucasians.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
49. Also the author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton"
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:32 AM
May 2018

Yet somehow posting his crap here is all good.

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
35. I object to the implication that loving animals more than people is wrong.
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:19 AM
May 2018

I love animals way more than people.

I always have, going back to my earliest memories, and I suspect I always will.

Yay animals!!!!

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
96. Same here. I guess that makes us disgusting racists, huh?
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:44 AM
May 2018

I must be a wipopo sigh. And I was completely unaware of it. Silly me.

hlthe2b

(102,239 posts)
123. Ironic. given it is the empathetic person who will act to change things, address injustices AND
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:59 AM
May 2018

care for helpless animals-- as well as the young, the aged, the downtrodden-- are absolute markers for those who would act for meaningful change. Instead, caring for animals is demonized? Good gawd, talk about misguided, missed opportunities.

The author of that piece should show me exactly how being empathetic to animals somehow makes one LESS likely to care or act on human rights and equality issues for POC. It runs counter to even common sense, much less the historical record.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
202. Me too
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:43 PM
May 2018

and seeing this kind of crap re-enforces why I love animals more than people! Here's to animals!

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
45. Clearly, there needs to be a corollary to this discussion that touches on white fragility...Why Whit
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:11 AM
May 2018
Why White People Freak Out When They’re Called Out About Race
March 18, 2015 by AlterNet

‘White fragility’ is a defensive response to real conversations about race.

By Sam Adler-Bell. This article originally appeared on Alternet.

Stop me if you’ve heard this one.

Last year, a white male Princeton undergraduate was asked by a classmate to “check his privilege.” Offended by this suggestion, he shot off a 1,300-word essay to the Tory, a right-wing campus newspaper.In it, he wrote about his grandfather who fled the Nazis to Siberia, his grandmother who survived a concentration camp in Germany, about the humble wicker basket business they started in America. He railed against his classmates for “diminishing everything [he’d] accomplished, all the hard work [he’d] done.”

His missive was reprinted by Time. He was interviewed by the New York Times and appeared on Fox News. He became a darling of white conservatives across the country.

What he did not do, at any point, was consider whether being white and male might have given him — if not his ancestors — some advantage in achieving incredible success in America. He did not, in other words, check his privilege.

To Robin DiAngelo, professor of multicutural education at Westfield State University and author of What Does it Mean to Be White? Developing White Racial Literacy, Tal Fortgang’s essay — indignant, defensive, beside-the-point, somehow both self-pitying and self-aggrandizing — followed a familiar script. As an anti-racist educator for more than two decades, DiAngelo has heard versions of it recited hundreds of times by white men and women in her workshops.

https://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/white-people-freak-theyre-called-race-hesaid/
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
46. From the author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton"
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:25 AM
May 2018

And the writer of: "Fuck Bill Clinton. I never voted for Bill Clinton. I never liked him."

Here's what the author of the OP wrote about Hillary during the campaign:

I will simply vote for every other race on the ballot except President if Hillary is the Democratic nominee. I know some people say not casting a vote for Hillary is casting a vote for Trump, but that’s not how math works. I am not taking a principled stance. I simply refuse to become a willing participant in my own oppression. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. When choosing between two wrongs, I make the choice to choose nothing.
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
75. Shapiro is a former Brietfart drone
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:37 AM
May 2018

He likes to rail about organic food, “social justice warriors” and why Clinton was worse than Trump too.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
188. I know someone..
Sat May 5, 2018, 04:31 PM
May 2018

I know someone that called for a sitting President who was adored by many Democrats, to be primaried.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
209. I know some people who wrote in "Bernie Sanders" in the last general election
Sun May 6, 2018, 07:22 AM
May 2018

Still infuriates me.

Anyone who did not vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election against Donald Trump deserves nothing but scorn.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
54. You should NOT have had to post this, sheshe2.
Sat May 5, 2018, 03:05 AM
May 2018

Make the interrogators look it up for themselves.

Nonetheless, as usual, you step up to bat and knock that sucker OUT of the park . 😁💐⚾

pansypoo53219

(20,976 posts)
57. my mom probably would have gone nuts if she knew the places i went for estate sales.
Sat May 5, 2018, 05:32 AM
May 2018

but i grew up on the edge. i miss integration.

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
58. The thing about animals reminds me of what Gordon Gekko says in "Wall Street":
Sat May 5, 2018, 05:39 AM
May 2018

"That's the one thing you have to remember about WASPs: they love animals and hate people." He was talking about wypipo.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
65. Yes, and I just spent some time learning about this person the op quoted.
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:12 AM
May 2018

He hates Hillary specifically, Democrats in general. Ugly to see this posted here.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
275. Did you now.
Tue May 8, 2018, 09:47 PM
May 2018

You researched him? Funny, I have posted many articles from him in the past here on DU. You only just noticed him?

SomethingNew

(279 posts)
60. Sounds an awful lot like another tired old racist creed.
Sat May 5, 2018, 06:28 AM
May 2018

"Not all black people are n******."

One wonders why one version is rightfully considered horrid while the other is, apparently, fine.

Response to SomethingNew (Reply #60)

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
61. The power dynamic displayed in the reaction to "wypipo" is interesting.
Sat May 5, 2018, 06:29 AM
May 2018

Basically, it's a reasonable person's reaction to being unreasonably oppressed. And, while it is a pejorative, unlike pejoratives historically used by Europeans against other races, no threats of violence are intended or implied.

If you see yourself as a "wypipo" and are offended, you might be part of the problem.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
64. I'm offended when any group uses a derogatory label towards
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:06 AM
May 2018

another group. That's my "problem."

If it makes others feel good to use derogatory labels, if it gives them pleasure or a feeling of power, that's THEIR problem.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
69. You might want to take the time to read up on this person you quote with such glee.
Sat May 5, 2018, 07:20 AM
May 2018

I just did. He hates Hillary. He sounds like a nutcase. This is some ugly shit he is pushing.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
92. I just find it ironic. I have no doubts that Hillary can take care of herself.
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:40 AM
May 2018

I doubt she would give a shit what this Herriot wrote.

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
246. He's basically what he pretends to hate
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:40 AM
May 2018

A bigot and a racist with a touch of misogyny for good measure.

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
80. Don't you mean all people are racist to some degree?
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:07 AM
May 2018

We are ALL hard wired genetically to be suspicious of what is different, a survival trait. No human being is exempted, though we range from extremely mild to extremely strong.

I'm remembering a troop of Japanese Boy Scouts who screamed and ran away when they saw my blonde friend approaching on a forest trail. She had become so tired of Japanese racism by then that she wasn't amused telling me two years later.

The word "racist" is far too limited for this reaction of course. Used to be tattoos triggered the same "uh, oh, not from my tribe" reaction, and no doubt they will again some day in future when they've disappeared again from pop culture.

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
84. Racism is cultural, not biological.
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:14 AM
May 2018

Humans don't have instincts. If they had instincts to be suspicious of what is different, they wouldn't have evolved the way they did to have such different cultures, languages, food preferences, etc. Other animals don't.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
86. Half wrong. But wholly wrong about no genetic
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:17 AM
May 2018

predispositions to various behaviors. Fascinating subject to read about, and there's plenty out there, more coming almost literally every day. The age of science continues, which is itself another major trigger for intense bias in those disposed to it, of course.

As for bias against those who are different ( "racism" form of bias) being a universal human characteristic, just take a thoughtful look at this "wypipo" example.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
101. :) New info. Lots of it. Science may be out of style right now
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:53 AM
May 2018

and little talked about, but tell scientists that. That nonsense matters to them as it affects their funding.

A book I have on this and recommend is "Our Political Nature: The Evolutionary Origins of What Divides Us." A number of good ones apparently came out around the same (2013) and of course others after, and this is neither the first or last word. But it offers a survey of what had been learned on this topic from various scientific disciplines, including neuroscience and genetics, and from a global viewpoint while addressing American politics.

Publishing on this topic for lay readers has been somewhat quashed since then as conservatives tend not to like what they're reading, but any search on it (personality, genetics, political, etc.) will turn up some things. Including such quirky findings as a study that MRI scanning of the brain could predict political orientation 83% of the time. "Scans show that liberals and conservatives use different parts of the brain when they take risks, helping to pinpoint the political party a person prefers." https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/study-predicts-political-beliefs-with-83-percent-accuracy-17536124/ According to something else I read, a quick glance at the MRI scans of a fair number of people can be as accurate, like looking at a pitcher's arms and knowing if he's a right or left thrower. It's because we tend to process information in different orders and exercise different parts of the brain a bit more.

Have fun. And for all the general conservative reaction to it, learning how and why we naturally hold the beliefs we do helps generate respect and empathy also.

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
103. Nope.
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:03 AM
May 2018

Human brains are extremely flexible. Otherwise, a baby born in China adopted by an American couldn't grown up to speak English and be a capitalist who loves cheeseburgers.

Bradshaw3

(7,517 posts)
135. So your answer to science is a simple "no"?
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:25 AM
May 2018


Just like the creationists and people who yell "fake news". Sorry I'll take credible science over people who think their opinions are more valuable than fact and reason.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
95. The emergence of different cultures and languages is the evidence of the instinct to be suspicious
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:44 AM
May 2018

of other groups. They show how partial isolation, which can end up with diverging cultures, wasn't easily erased by mixing and recombining when the groups re-met - because they were suspicious of the other groups.

Other animals don't have culture of language in the same way we do.

Of course humans have instincts. And these can shape our social behaviour.

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
122. If humans had no instincts, then babies couldn't suckle, there would be no such thing as
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:53 AM
May 2018

sexual preference at all, fear would not exist, I could go on and on.

Yes, humans have instincts. We are animals, just like the rest of the tree of life on earth.

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
134. That's not science
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:25 AM
May 2018

Humans learn almost everything from their culture, from how they raise babies to what they think is sexy to how they bury their dead. duh.

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
137. Yes, it absolutely is. Why do people raise their babies? Why do we fear things?
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:30 AM
May 2018

But I guess my question to you would be: why do you think we're magically different from other animals?

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
140. Evolution.
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:36 AM
May 2018

This is why we're communicating on a computer and dogs are still barking. Opposable thumbs.

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
142. Evolution builds on what is already there. It doesn't erase the past.
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:43 AM
May 2018

The only reason we survive as a species is because of our instincts.

Otherwise we would abandon our babies, be disinterested in sex, and would never have invented the computer.

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
144. No, babies are abandoned, people are disinterested in sex, and computers were invented by
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:56 AM
May 2018

non-instinct-driven brains. Hello, anthropology. Read some.

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
148. Yes, and as a reader, please give me the source of a reputable anthropologist
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:13 PM
May 2018

who says that humans do not have instincts.

I am anxious to read that.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
138. Anthropology is not "the denial of any instincts in humans"
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:31 AM
May 2018

so I've no idea why you think its existence would show anything. Of course we have instincts, just like other animals. Why would you think that humans would be the exception?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
118. Yes, and more positively, we're drawn TO our "own,"
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:41 AM
May 2018

which helps create the kind of strong connections that helped communities survive in the all the tens of thousands of years many failed to.

Interestingly, science has discovered that animals will protect first-degree blood relatives at the expense of even second-degree, and second-degree at the expense of third-degree, and these patterns of protecting the genetic codes we pass down are discovered in human families as well.

And now I understand better why our friend Karen, married for 50 years into a large, very cohesive family around which their lives revolve, is right when she said, theoretically, that if she divorced she would immediately be cast out. She has a lot of old, old friends in that family, and children, but it's so cohesive because they feel that blood connection more strongly than most. Obviously there are very strong environmental factors here, but now we know genetic dispositions and reinforcements will be involved to varying degrees as well.

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
114. By the way, I live in Japan and
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:17 AM
May 2018

that sort of thing doesn't happen much anymore since schools stopped teaching children to be afraid of foreigners. Look up "Nihonjinron."

What are you even talking about?

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
82. Thanks for introducing this derogatory term, so we can emphasize our differences and fuel up racism!
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:09 AM
May 2018

We really needed a word to describe those who let their dogs lick their faces, but only white people. Really how despicable.

Of course we already have words for people who don't care about black issues or equality, who have zero empathy for the killings of unarmed blacks. Racist, bigoted, prejudiced. And they are fair words; they apply to any person who harbors such animosity toward others. Still, they are most often attributed to whites in a white-dominated culture, such as in the U.S.

But now we just MUST have a word that describes those white people who are racist AND kiss their kitties. How could our vocabulary ever be complete without it?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
93. You're totally missing the point.
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:41 AM
May 2018

"Of course we already have words for people who don't care about black issues or equality, who have zero empathy for the killings of unarmed blacks. Racist, bigoted, prejudiced. And they are fair words; they apply to any person who harbors such animosity toward others."

There are plenty of white folk who think they're liberal, open-minded, fair people who don't care about black issues or equality, who have zero empathy for the killings of unarmed blacks. And they scream bloody murder - and so do their apologists - at the very suggestion they may be racist, bigoted or prejudiced. And the minute they think anyone is calling them that, they throw a fit and try to shut down the conversation.

And in fact, one doesn't have to be a racist or a bigot to turn a deaf ear to equality or brutality. It happens all the time - we see it right here on DU every day:

"I'm not racist! I know that racism exists and is a problem. But racism isn't occurring THIS time and it's wrong for people to say it is. It's not fair to the person being accused and it only makes it harder to fight racism when it REALLY happens!"

"You can't say this was racist. You don't know all the facts."

"You can't say this was racist because you don't know what's in her heart."

"I know the video looks bad, but we don't know what happened before so you can't really say it was racist."

"It's a shame the cop shot him, but he should have obeyed instructions ... or shouldn't have run away ... or shouldn't have mouthed off ... or shouldn't have been holding that cellphone (or wallet or Skittles) ... or shouldn't have been acting so suspiciously in his own backyard ..."

"We don't know the whole story so we shouldn't jump to conclusions and accuse her of being a racist."

And so on and so on and so on...

Oh, and talking about race, racism and racial dynamics doesn't "fuel up racism."

betsuni

(25,486 posts)
104. The "you don't know what's in her/his heart" is my favorite.
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:10 AM
May 2018

I don't even know what the hell it means.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
147. I see your point.
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:12 PM
May 2018

There are plenty of people who are white who are not actively racist, but don't seem to care about the injustices done to POCs. It's helpful to illuminate that.

My problem is that by calling people out as racist, or even with a special new insulting term, does indeed 'fuel up racism.' It makes people angry and defensive and can lead to polarization, which is the last thing we need.

I think most white people here on DU (including myself) are not racist in any intentional way, but we have different realities. The police killings of unarmed black men and boys over the past 5 or 8 years or so really stunned me. And yet it quickly became clear to me that it's always been that way - and worse - I just didn't know about it. I suspect there is a whole lot more that I don't understand - yet.

It's difficult to step out of one's own viewpoint, which is mostly a result of all the experiences you've had in life, to see another way of looking at things, which was the result of an entirely different set of experiences. I think most of the comments you see as racist here on DU are a result of this.

We need illumination, not condemnation.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
157. This doesn't "fuel up racism"
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:53 PM
May 2018

If someone claims they have become racist because someone referred to white people as "wypipo," they're lying to you. People are racist because they're racists, not because of something someone wrote on DU.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
193. Thank you.
Sat May 5, 2018, 04:41 PM
May 2018

This silly word about which certain DUers felt the need to illuminate us - is beyond stupid, seemingly semi-literate, and yes, obviously posted to divide.

Never heard of Herriot until today. Wonder if he works for Putin.

He’s doing a splendid job, you know, encouraging everyone not to vote and all.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
107. Discomfort vs Danger
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:21 AM
May 2018

Last edited Sat May 5, 2018, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)

This thread, like many on DU, express the discomfort of so many white people.

They compare their discomfort to the legit danger POC experience every single day.

Referring to a certain group of white people as wypipo isn't REMOTELY similar to racial slurs. I don't see it as much different from hipsters (who pretty much tend to be white) or other labels, which can have a snarky intent behind them...yet, interestingly, the people who identify with that label usually aren't offended by it.

The same can't be said of the targets of racial slurs.

White people feel discomfort (like that white woman at the Colorado university who called the cops on two Native American young men); POC are often put in grave danger due to white people's discomfort.

Huge difference and I wish white people at DU -- the ones who are genuine and not here simply to stir shit -- would step back to recognize that difference and put these discussions into perspective.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
254. Bingo!
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:45 PM
May 2018

So many White people go ballistic when they're made uncomfortable about race because it's a new sensation. It seems to overwhelm their sense of perspective, so they don't stop to realize that their discomfort is momentary, has no substantive impact on their lives, and they can walk away from it any time they want.

Black people don't have that choice.

And that's part of the point. Wypipo. Get over yourselves.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
109. Thanks for this
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:27 AM
May 2018

I'd never heard the term before I noticed this and another thread yesterday. The amount of defensiveness over its existence and usage is not surprising given the nature of racial privilege, which of course includes not having one's racial identity come to the fore in daily life.

Can someone bigoted against white people use wypipo in hateful ways? Sure. Does its use play off stereotypes? You bet. It's irreverent and as far as I can see also generally just used in ways that are funny (with an edge, to be sure).

Like it or not (and I hope the answer is "not!" ), we're living in a nation and age where racial animus has become central to our political discourse. This mostly strikes me as a harmless way of dealing with 24/7 racial tension with some edgy humor. I'm sure a lot of us need that opportunity.

And yeah, I'm white.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
113. Wypipo is self-explanatory, really.
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:03 AM
May 2018

In another thread, I told someone who didn't understand to read it out loud. It's a phonetic equivalent that illustrates how poorly we speak our own language. It's equivalent to "presnitedstates," which is a phonetic transcription of how almost everyone says "President of the United States."

In itself, wypipo really carries no particular meaning. It is just how many people pronounce "white people." And, indeed, it is white people who are the ones treating people of color like second-class citizens. Not all white people, of course. But the ones doing that are almost universally wypipo.

Those of us with privilege need to pay closer attention to our privilege. We didn't earn white privilege. We did nothing to deserve it. It's just something we happened to be born with. It entitles us to nothing.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
143. If it "carries no particular meaning", why does it need a article that explains its meaning?
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:46 AM
May 2018

The article is very specific that it's not 'just how many people pronounce "white people."'. And it seems far from 'self-explanatory'.

BumRushDaShow

(128,916 posts)
158. In the author's case
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:56 PM
May 2018

he is invoking the term in the essay to make this point (from the OP article) -

The reason so many white people find the term “wypipo” objectionable is because they aren’t used to being lumped in with others simply because of the color of their skin. That is the privilege they live with every day. 97 percent of school shooters are white. White nationalist extremist have killed twice as any Americans as any other ideological group. Rapists and sexual assaulters are more likely to be white. Yet, a white male in a dark parking lot or unlit alley doesn’t engender nearly as much fear as a black male. That’s the immunity of whiteness.

So when you are unfairly (or even fairly) associated with anything negative, it is offensive because you live with the privilege of existing as an individual. You are not used to being reduced to a stereotype or trope.

It’s as reductive and demeaning as being referred to as “inner city,” “urban” or “underprivileged.” That’s what the term “wypipo” does. It is a tiny, microscopic taste of wypipo’s own medicine, and I understand why they find that little spoonful bitter. It is infuriating to be cataloged into a cliché that paints you with such broad strokes.


So in a way, it is "meaningless" (or perhaps "valueless&quot in terms of it being a "fiat" or "token" term that can be assigned whatever the user chooses within the scope of racial discussion. I noted in another post that it is apparently used more like an adjective or adverb than a noun but it does open up a discussion on why it is used and what might trigger its usage.
 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
116. This whole list is so all over the place and disjointed
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:37 AM
May 2018

that it's hilarious. No wonder it was published under the Humor section. Lol.

◾White people don’t season their food, but wypipo like theirs organic, free range and gluten free.

◾Wypipo are deathly worried about radical Islamic terroristm, but won’t acknowledge that the vast majority of terrorism in America comes from white people.

◾White people can’t dance, but wypipo love to dance and will dance anywhere.

◾Wypipo are pro-life when it comes to abortion, but cool with the death penalty and police brutality. Those wypipo will tell you that “pro-life” is just a term to describe the anti-abortion movement, that it has nothing to do with issues of police violence and capital punishment. But if you mention the movement that focuses on State violence against black bodies, they will quickly say, “but what about black on black crime?”

◾Wypipo have the intestinal fortitude to wear shorts and flip flops all year round. When it is absolutely too cold to wear them, yoga pants will suffice.

◾There are some white people who believe in social justice causes, but wypipo need special names for themselves, like “allies” or “social justice warriors.”

◾There are white people who treat human beings like human beings and don’t need special recognition for it. Wypipo will point out their safety pins and wear Black Lives Matter t-shirts.

◾Wypipo believe kneeling during the national anthem is unpatriotic and disrespectful to the men and women who lost their lives defending this country. Yet they are cool with the Confederate flag, which actually represents an act of treason that killed almost as many Americans as all the other wars combined.

◾White people have all kinds of friends and associates. Wypipo know exactly how many black friends they have and can remember that one time in 1998 they spent an entire day with their Dominican co-worker.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
120. So to summarize what a Wypipo is, they are
Sat May 5, 2018, 10:43 AM
May 2018

Gluten free, organic eating, dancing, animal loving, flip flop wearing pro lifers, who get offended when people kneel for the National Anthem and are afraid of Muslims, yet call themselves 'allies' and 'SJWs' who wear Black Lives Matter t-shirts adorned with safety pins.

Did I miss anything?

What the ever-loving fuck?

BumRushDaShow

(128,916 posts)
164. You are trying to lump all of these things into a single person
Sat May 5, 2018, 01:26 PM
May 2018

and that is not what the author is doing.

The descriptions are attempting to establish instances where certain behaviors and practices by certain individuals that are "x", should result in a "y" response to situations that would be analogous or inline with what "x"es normally would do, but don't, and they end up being a contradictory "z" instead, thus highlighting a hypocritical point of view. I.e., they are not "genuine". And in this case, they spend more time advertising how "x" they are ("externally" ) vs just being "x" and moving on.

The examples attempt to literally cut across all political persuasions and even races, and is very much done tongue firmly planted in cheek. And remember, these are sociological "concepts" and different cultures describe/express/label them in different ways.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,322 posts)
128. I think from those participating, most agree it is a race based pejorative.
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:13 AM
May 2018

Those engaged in malicious ridicule and/or rationalization of its use seem to agree it is a racial pejorative. They are not refuting the argument that “wypipo” is a slur.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
141. Back when we used to have threads on feminists topics
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:43 AM
May 2018

Whether it was words or porn or rape culture or gamergate etc..we’d have certain people show up, kind of pro and con folk, on-line “enemies”—although many of the “Cons” were MRAs and are no longer here, being banned for other reasons and some said fuck it went elsewhere and many of the active feminists said fuck it and went elsewhere, with a few being banned for strident arguing.

Particular topics with particular people showing up.

DU has never had a large population of PoC, but it’s even smaller now. Many of threads involving race and words here, are mostly groups of white people navel gazing.

I am seeing the same pattern though. In my opinion, the majority of white people not only don’t understand racism from the perspective of being a victim of a Dominant power paradigm based on the lack of melanin, they far too often actively hide from trying to understand it.

Particular people showing up on particular topics. Interesting.

procon

(15,805 posts)
149. This is just a different flavor of racial stereotyping.
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:19 PM
May 2018

Swap the words 'white' and 'black' and it's still just another weak attempt to hide the fear and hate of 'other' people behind a lot of disingenuous labeling rhetoric. Is 'wypipo' any less insulting than the names that are flung at black people for the same reason?

People are very complex individuals and we cannot be so easily pigeonholed by this divisive word or divided into racial categories by someone who believes all white folks exist as monolithic cartoon villains.

Regardless of what colors we come in, as human beings we empathize with people who are disadvantaged and treated unfairly. There is no color designations in who loves their pets and feels dismayed by both animal cruelty and human savagery, because we are all capable of multitasking skills.

We all support activism to raise awareness, we vote for politicians who will try to find solutions and advance the universal cause celebre of equality and justice. We try, black and white folks, we try. Stop trying to drive the dividing wedge of segregation and discrimination in deeper, we already have enough of that coming from Republicans.


procon

(15,805 posts)
162. Just stop.
Sat May 5, 2018, 01:08 PM
May 2018

We -- most of us, anyway -- work for years to teach our children that it's wrong to call people names, that they should not act like a bully and insult others. We try to make them better people who will grow up to be kind and aware, and not rush to judge others just for whatever colors they come in. We tell our kids not to pigeonhole whole groups of people by race, creed or gender, and to see their shared humanity instead. We train them not to stigmatise anyone with a demeaning label that is based on subjective racial stereotyping because that's hurtful and unnecessary, and it reflects poorly on their own ethical characters.

Clearly something as gone amiss if you aren't there yet.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
154. Thanks for that article.
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:46 PM
May 2018

Disappointing that so many are invested in not recognizing the truth in it and owning the full power of white privilege, which gives control over language and symbols. The author's point that only some have permission to create and use labels strikes at the very heart of racism. Tut-tutting still avoids facing and resolving that bullet list he provided as a map.

lark

(23,097 posts)
156. Well, I have to say I totally disagree on one thing.
Sat May 5, 2018, 12:50 PM
May 2018

Wypipo don't all like animals, that's just untrue. drumpf hates them since he doesn't want to fuck them and they don't make money for him. I also don't see KKKers being kind to any living thing. Also, lots of left wingers love animals and people of other ethnicities. Yes, there are way too many white people who are ok with cops killing innocent brown people, but this has nothing at all to do with how they are with animals. I really don't like that term, why not just use the one that fits - racists? That's the real problem.

elocs

(22,571 posts)
180. "Not all white people are wypipo." Yes, but we really need more things to divide us
Sat May 5, 2018, 03:19 PM
May 2018

so we can get all worked up and pissed about. If these people won't wear uniforms then we need labels.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
182. As much as I applaud this (My palms ache)
Sat May 5, 2018, 03:44 PM
May 2018

I feel a little like I am reading this somewhere in an alternate universe.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
185. I can't help but notice that most of the people expressing the most offense about the term "wypipo"
Sat May 5, 2018, 04:12 PM
May 2018

are also the same ones who jump in to threads about racism to tell black people why we're wrong and overreacting when we we object to something we see as racist and whitesplain to us how we are "being divisive" by being so sensitive and accusatory.

Interesting how, for some people, being offended and divisiveness are one way streets. But at least I now know that they actually DO believe that racism exists - it's just that it doesn't seem to be a thing unless they think THEY'RE a victim of it.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
187. +1
Sat May 5, 2018, 04:30 PM
May 2018

We are supposed to let everything slide and sit back and wait. Nobody ever means anything and we shouldn't take anything anybody says because of reasons. Words never hurt anybody is what I always hear and these same people are probably up in here trolling about wypipo.

We have had to live with open code words like "thug" for how long now? Long enough that it is ingrained in the public conscious as almost singularly attached to us. For every person that gets upset about wypipo. There probably isn't one that has any real problems with they fact "thug" has been gifted to us as a "civilized" way of saying the n word in polite company.

I haven't read all through the numerous threads yet but I'm fully expecting the what if I said the n-word how would you feel argument from at least one wypipo, I mean it is a very wypipo thing to do.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
195. I noticed that too, Effie.
Sat May 5, 2018, 05:21 PM
May 2018
I can't help but notice that most of the people expressing the most offense about the term "wypipo"

are also the same ones who jump in to threads about racism to tell black people why we're wrong and overreacting when we we object to something we see as racist and whitesplain to us how we are "being divisive" by being so sensitive and accusatory.


Love all your posts and the patience you show in your detailed explanations and memories of your own past experiences. Thanks for taking the time to help us all to a clearer understanding. Your work is cut out for you, yet you are up for the task.

Teach.

Thank you.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
215. Thank you for sharing this pointed article
Sun May 6, 2018, 12:14 PM
May 2018

The article should be quoted verbatim in every lexicon of slang terms.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
231. Your OP's
Tue May 8, 2018, 10:22 AM
May 2018

are a hoot. Got all the wypipo pissed at being called white people by a black person. Woke? Generations have passed since the end of slavery, 66million+ people are still asleep. The whiners here are still asleep. The tears shed here over that mean black man categorizing white people as wypipo has filled many pools. I'm laughing at the revelations laid out here as to real motivations concerning racism and why it persists. I laugh at the tears shed.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
240. Michael Harriot, author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton"
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:12 AM
May 2018

Along with: "Fuck Bill Clinton. I never voted for Bill Clinton. I never liked him."

And also: "The Democratic Party Is Not Our Friend"

Amazing how well-liked he seems to be at DU.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
242. Liked or not
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:25 AM
May 2018

just like some trumpdumps regretting their vote for the pervertpotus, he may regret some of his words in the heat of an election season. I forgive him. He might be young and be learning about life in a society where white privilege and entitlement is A race card used EVERY DAY to salve the sensibilities of sensitive wypipo. He might not. The point here is wypipo as a term of description used by many to say, white people. Better than what many here and in society MAY use in describing blapipo.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
258. Though my name and post count do not show it, I have been here since 2001. This wypipo thing is the
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:50 PM
May 2018

stupidest thing I have seen here in all that time and I have seen some stupid things here.

The intellectual level of this board has gone down hill. The thought that most of the popular posters here buy into wypipo just blows my mind. And the thought that they have such a campaign on to force wypipo down everyone's throat is unbelievable.

wypipo is growing bigger than circumcision and porn in the ranking of stupid debate topics I think.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
271. Dear God, thank you. Used to be we worked against being divisive. That we worked for a common
Tue May 8, 2018, 07:14 PM
May 2018

goal. Now, it's all about ridiculing people for being butt-hurt and our collective "tears."

get the red out

(13,462 posts)
233. Don't know how to look at this
Tue May 8, 2018, 10:35 AM
May 2018

I am a white person who pretty much stays angry and sick over the horrifically evil attitudes exhibited by huge numbers of people who look like me. I put these people down a lot in conversation and I will not repent any time soon. But I also wonder how much more division this country can take?

I am completely outraged at animal abuse, I also totally lose my shit over these horrific police murders of black people. Our society is becoming a nightmare.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
257. Don't lose perspective
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:50 PM
May 2018

>> Our society is becoming a nightmare. <<

No, it's not. It feels that way because we're becoming more aware of how badly humans treat humans (and animals) and we've learned to disapprove. But bad behavior has been the norm for thousands of years. I wouldn't trade the Trump era for a return to even 100 years ago or anytime before then. Tender, delicate sensibilities is a new luxury.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
261. Totally agree.
Tue May 8, 2018, 02:11 PM
May 2018

Society has become less violent and virulently racist over the centuries. As you said, the reason people feel things are worse now, is because the light is being shown on each individual or group act of racism while it is happening, in the same way that violent crimes are trending downward, but people are more afraid because the local news shows you an armed robbery or crime that was committed 1000 miles away. While that can be disheartening to many people, it does not mean that things are worse than they were when lynching was okay, when Sheriff's, judges, and politicians were proudly in the KKK, or when it was very legal to discriminate against people of color. Things are not changing as fast as we would like, and the privilege and attitudes that exist in people who have not considered themselves racist nor who express any racist acts or attitudes overtly, have been coming to light more recently.

The thing about human beings is that when the problem is "other people" then you can fight it and condemn those bad former Confederates, or Neo Nazis, or hillbillies. The problem is that when our own behavior ad attitudes of questioning the motives of BLM, or not wanting to engage in "identity politics" or be "divisive" then it strikes closer to home and we tend to feel more defensive, especially if we see ourselves as allies.

I think that as a whole, we are not more divided. I think that among those who are divided, the division is deeper and more pronounced because the Rightwing has their own media, and we tend not to view that.

BumRushDaShow

(128,916 posts)
266. I think you are spot on!
Tue May 8, 2018, 05:51 PM
May 2018

Thanks to instant media, people are "seeing" into each others' worlds more than ever before. I.e., there is increased exposure, not just culturally, but economically as well - the "haves" and the "have nots".

Used to be that to see some of the very wealthy (i.e., those willing to be featured) in a publication, you needed to get a copy of "Town and Country" or "Architectural Digest" or maybe see an episode of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" . Now you can just use a search engine and look at photos and videos of all of the trappings of wealth.

Similarly, the advent of cell phone videos have opened up a whole new world to some, where they can see how black people are continually harassed in public places. And what was continually deemed over and over as "isolated incidents", has become a tsunami of "isolated incidents" that basically establish a pattern. And it is frightening for some to see or believe because it is not something that is relatable.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
268. Shock indeed.
Tue May 8, 2018, 06:08 PM
May 2018

There are definitely positives and negatives to the instantaneous transmission of information. The positives are exactly what you describe, people are being awakened from their bubbles where the idea of a "post racial" or egalitarian society was the truth. They see the hundred or so incidents (likely more) that are captured on someone's cell phone and if they choose to, see the pattern that belies their ideas.

The negative aspect is that it is much easier to sell fear for those who choose to sell it. Crime rates may actually drop 20% over a 5 year period, but if coverage of those decreasing crime rates goes up by 400%, it may seem that our society is coming apart at the seems and it serves to isolate us from one another. The reality is the my kids are likely safer than I was growing up, even being out on the street playing with their friends, but it is difficult to convince my family and friends of that because some kid in New York got kidnapped a few weeks ago. So, my kids end up having to stay inside rather than playing on their bicycles with their friends.

BumRushDaShow

(128,916 posts)
269. Exactly right.
Tue May 8, 2018, 06:17 PM
May 2018


The tech actually tends to magnify and we as humans tend to internalize that - particularly if it is something that is negative. And that is what helped to give birth to the stuff that Cambridge Analytica did.

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
255. "Not all blacks are n......, hell there's white n......."
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:47 PM
May 2018

I hear racist people say that a lot.

Pretty fucked up.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
263. Wypipo put raisins in the potato salad
Tue May 8, 2018, 03:58 PM
May 2018


As someone who is white most of the crap wypipo do is garbage. Wypipo are garbage people who only care about what directly affects them and their families. They don't care about poverty in the Appalachians, they don't care about police brutality in the cities. They proudly have Trump is president-get over it bumper stickers, they overlook when Trevor the star high school quarterback rapes Jenna at a party because "alcohol can make things happen and did you see her dress?" Wypipo scream about local animal shelters occasionally putting down very sick animals but turn the channel when they are faced with the very sick children of Flint.

Wypipo are garbage people who have been in power for too long and are resisting the winds of change. And they only use a tiny bit of salt, no paprika and add raisins to their potato salad.
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