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S.E. TN Liberal

(508 posts)
1. It means they were elected running as an Independent.
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:25 AM
May 2018

Then, they sit, vote and work with the Democrats.

In return the Democrats give then certain favors such as; letting them sit on certain committees the Independent wants to sit on, or maybe even letting them be head of a committee.

Bernie Sanders has been a great example of someone who runs Independent, but caucuses with the Democrats.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
2. Bernie always has received the democratic nomination when he ran as independent
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:38 AM
May 2018

Effectively running as a democrat.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. Your wording is off to the point your comment is false.
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:43 AM
May 2018

Each time Sanders has gotten the democratic nomination he has ran in the primary as a Democrat. He then turns down the nomination and runs in the general as an independent.

This is one of the least well known moves of his over his long career as a politician.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
4. No. For example 2012 he received the democratic nomination and accepted it.
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:47 AM
May 2018

Every major democrat campaigned for him because of it and the dscc paid for his campaign ads. Im sorry but your statement there is completely wrong.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. In most instances he has turned down the nomination after running in the primary as a democrat.
Wed May 9, 2018, 11:58 AM
May 2018

He has done it numerous times.

"Sanders entered into an agreement with the Democratic Party, much as he had as a congressman, to be listed in their primary but to decline the nomination should he win, which he did.[111][112]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

It's a fact.

He also ran as an Independent in the year you are claiming he ran as a Democrat in the general. He declined the nomination. Why are you trying to claim otherwise?

"Sanders has also received the nomination of the Vermont Progressive Party, but declined both the Democratic and Progressive nominations after the primary.[3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Vermont,_2012

Again, one of the least known things about him. Seems you are in that boat.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
6. Actually he had the democratic nomination in the year i am claiming while he ran as an independent.
Wed May 9, 2018, 12:06 PM
May 2018

Same as what the Alaska governor this year is vying to do.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. And he turned it down. That is clear.
Wed May 9, 2018, 12:09 PM
May 2018

I am correct on all counts. I backed it up.

This is what it looks like when a great Democrat accepts his parties nomination in Vermont.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Vermont,_2016

S.E. TN Liberal

(508 posts)
8. Since Bernie caucuses with the Dems, they don't run anyone against him.
Thu May 10, 2018, 12:41 AM
May 2018

Bernie winds up running against some token republican't and Bernie wins with around 60-70% of the vote.

Bernie is more reliable a vote for the Democrats than several of the "blue-dog" Democrats are.

Here is a link to Bernie's last senate race in Vermont;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Vermont,_2012

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. I don't disagree with any points you make.
Thu May 10, 2018, 05:04 AM
May 2018

They also don’t touch on the inaccuracy of the other posters claim.

Many people aren’t aware of it. Even those who think they are, like the poster above, make a clear attempt to act like it doesn’t happen.

S.E. TN Liberal

(508 posts)
13. NCTraveler,
Thu May 10, 2018, 09:54 AM
May 2018

The thread isn't suppose to be about Bernie or his campaigns

It is suppose to be about Independents who caucus with one party or the other.

I just mentioned Bernie as an example of someone who runs as an Independent, then caucuses with the Democrats.

I wasn't intending that to become a distraction from the point of the thread.

A lot of arguing/debating can be eliminated on DU if people make more of an effort to stick with the topic of the thread.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. I responded directly to post number two.
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:29 AM
May 2018

Directly to its content. I see no reason to let inaccurate commentary stand. See post #4. Not sure why anyone would want inaccurate information to stand unchallenged.

“A lot of arguing/debating can be eliminated on DU if people make more of an effort to stick with the topic of the thread.”

It could also be eliminated if people didn’t opine on that to which they are uneducated.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Caucusing with Democrats can be a means getting elected
Thu May 10, 2018, 10:32 AM
May 2018

and reelected to office if most voters are Democrats. Independent can mean keeping oneself free to criticize Democrats for caucusing with Democrats from the outside without looking like a hypocrite. (It'd seem a very questionable thing to do if one were a Democrat.)

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