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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI can't seem to find a list of Our Revolution-endorsed candidates
in yesterday's election and how they did in those four primaries.
I Googled it, but couldn't find a single source that gave me that information. If anyone has the info, please share it or provide a link. Thanks.
ETA: THEY ALL LOST! See my #3 in this thread!
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)https://ourrevolution.com/results/
And there was a press release trying to put Kucinich's loss into 'perspective'
https://ourrevolution.com/press/our-revolution-statement-ohio-gubernatorial-primary-results/
I can't imagine that they are touting any numbers right now.
sheshe2
(83,721 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)MineralMan
(146,284 posts)They show all of their endorsed candidates for the May 8, primaries. Every last one of them lost! Not a single candidate endorsed by Our Revolution won in those four states' elections yesterday. All but two lost in the previous ones, too:
Sue Spicer
Indiana
Election: May 8, 2018
U.S. House of Representatives, 7th District
LOST
Dennis Kucinich
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
Governor
LOST
Kyle Earley
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
State Representative, District 10
LOST
Yvonka Hall
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
State Representative District 12
LOST
Steve Holecko
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
State Representative, District 14
LOST
Mary Ann Claytor
West Virginia
Election: May 8, 2018
State Senate, District 17
LOST
Lizette Escobedo
California
Election: April 10, 2018
Whittier City Council
LOST
Steve Dunwoody
California
Election: April 3, 2018
Assembly District 54
LOST
Daniel Biss
Illinois
Election: March 20, 2018
Governor
LOST
Marie Newman
Illinois
Election: March 20, 2018
US Representative, 3rd District
LOST
Derrick Crowe
Texas
Election: March 6, 2018
US Representative, 21st District
LOST
Carina Driscoll
Vermont
Election: March 6, 2018
Mayor of Burlington
LOST
Brianna Westbrook
Arizona
Election: Feb. 27, 2018
U.S. House of Representatives, District 8
LOST
Tim Burns
Wisconsin
Election: Feb. 20, 2018
State Supreme Court
LOST
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)MineralMan
(146,284 posts)The contrast is striking. We should be paying attention to that, I believe.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)PatrickforO
(14,569 posts)OK, MineralMan, excuse the rant below - it is a respectful one, and this gleeful post by Leser kind of rubbed me the wrong way. So take it with a grain of salt...but...
In my state we have some really good Dem candidates at all levels - I guess what it looks like to me on the ground is that we will trust the primary process. In the end, at least most of the time in my state, the more electable candidate makes the general.
A story for all of you to provoke some thought here, though.
We had an incumbent Dem US Senator. He was an establishment Dem, pretty middle of the road. Always careful what he said, and which issues to be lukewarm on (most of Bernie's). Basically, people in the party on the ground called him an 'empty suit.'
Now, he was running in 2014 against a rabid right winger. Nice guy, but horrible policy positions. Basic Republican - not pure TP, but right of establishment.
This is a purple state, too, and our guy, the incumbent Dem, who should EASILY have been reelected, ran such a lame campaign it made many of us sick. Like forehead-palm sick. This fellow's message was so mushy and ultra-careful, most people were at sea as to what the guy actually stood for, if anything. I mean, listening to him was like getting your face pushed through mush.
So the result?
In a purple state that went Obama in 08 and 12, and Clinton in 16? Our guy got 944,203 votes and the RIGHT WINGER got 983,891 votes. AND...to add insult to injury, the right winger was instrumental in making the giant tax cut for billionaires happen.
The moral of my story? People like their candidates to be firm on their positions and to actually stand FOR something. As a voter, I don't need to agree with everything a candidate says, just most of it.
Bottom line, I'm not sure this gleefulness is going to do us much good. And the message that people like 'middle-of-the-road' candidates? Depends on the candidate.
This country is going the wrong direction awful fast. I'm hoping we don't go the wrong direction in our own quaint little Democratic Party way.
One other observation - I consider Warren and Bernie basically in the same policy category - left progressive. Now, Obama is a centrist. Racism didn't allow him to be an 'establishment' Democrat, but he is further toward the center than Warren definitely. Yet, again it depends on the candidate. I liked Obama enough to work on both his 08 and 12 campaigns, and I liked Bernie in 16.
Maybe it's not so much whether a person is a rabid left-winger or not, you know? It's whether you think you can trust the candidate, whether they are willing to compromise, and what kind of person they seem. And, of course, whether they are definite and firm about what they stand for.
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)thank you again. The gleefulness is a bit disturbing.
Gothmog
(145,079 posts)Strve Brown was endorsed by Our Revolution and came in third and is not in the runoff
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)several have been community activists for years.
Here's one story about Marie Newman, who almost won her race.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/22/17148626/2018-illinois-primary-election-marie-newman-dan-lipinski-trump
for the most part, these are average citizens stepping up to run as progressives. Why do I get the feeling from your post and others on this thread that seem to be enjoying and celebrating their loss? Why?
Many of these people put themselves out there publicly to do what they've been working on privately for years; help working people, help poor people. I feel like DU gets pretty close to mocking them for their efforts.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)There's plenty to do close to home.
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)without knowing anything about them. That is the American way, after all.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)by Our Revolution? My explanation is that those candidates were a poor fit for the districts or jurisdictions in which they ran. The endorsement did not help them, because their positions couldn't generate enough votes for them to win.
Candidates who don't suit the place they're running will always lose, regardless of endorsements. That's a political fact. Anyone who works in elections understands that. To win, a candidate must match the political views of a majority in a district, state, or other jurisdiction. A candidate who does not will simply not win.
Failure to understand that is why groups like Our Revolution fail. In each case this past Tuesday, the candidates that organization endorsed were a poor fit for the constituents who would be voting.
I'm not trashing those candidates. I'm explaining why they did not win and why Our Revolution fails.
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)I applaud them for getting out there and advocating for progressive ideals and inclusion. They reached people who might see someone very much like themselves running for office and give it a go. I believe there's untapped talent all over America and we need to inspire and encourage that potential.
Yes, the candidate that reflects the ideals of the majority of the community wins, but we better find people willing to step up to challenge and change some of these ideals, because some of them are just pure evil and hurting citizens in the community. I sure know I will never vote for a candidate that matches the political views of the majority of my district because they're bad, right wing views, in my opinion. I will continue to work for and support candidates who challenge those views and will do so even when they lose, and most often they do lose, but by a smaller margin each time.
These candidates, several from marginalized communities, are rising, and we better hope there's a lot more behind them, because if the political views of the majority of many American communities becomes acceptable, well, we get trump. Any challenge to the right wing political views held by the majority in too many American communities is welcome in my book.....As Ghandi said: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)support them but they would have a hard sell in WV.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)That's important. They are endorsing candidates running against Democratic incumbents in many places, often against people who have served their Democratic constituents very well. And that strategy is failing miserably, to be quite frank.
I'm pointing that out, because running people against Democratic incumbents is a bad idea, in almost any district. It distracts from the main issue, which is defeating Republicans.
An incumbent who is a Democrat has demonstrated the ability to win in a particular local election. We need to re-elect those incumbents and concentrate on finding candidates who can beat Republican incumbents. Regaining control of legislative bodies should be our top priority for 2018.
Our Revolution is working AGAINST that goal.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)This is very true.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)The should lose...many of these candidates were going against incumbent Democrats like Joe Manchin for example....we could lose that seat thanks to their machinations.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)They are not owned by any one group
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)With a hot streak like yesterday's, I'm totally on board with them supporting R candidates!
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)I stopped listening to her at all shortly thereafter.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)---but let's nominate a "Revolution candidate" anyway!!!
Meanwhile a Republican controlled SCOTUS dismantles all progress in last 50 years and future progress is generationally out of reach for 20 years.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Our Revolution is neither "ours" or "revolutionary." It isn't accomplishing anything, except to dilute support for Democrats.
Waste of time.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)MineralMan
(146,284 posts)I pay no attention to them, and will now do the same with Our Revolution. Both are completely ineffectual, politically, at this point.
DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts)They can't hold a candle to the Indivisible movement, which has been instrumental in providing people power for the ground game that many Democratic candidates have used to win elections in November 2017 and thereafter.
Gothmog
(145,079 posts)This makes me smile
Cha
(297,100 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)These were Democratic Party primaries. The Revolution or whatever they call themselves are not supportive of the Democratic Party.
Anyone care to bet about how work hard they now work to get the Democratic candidates elected?
Or bet how many arrows they now sling at the Democratic Candidates?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,316 posts)DFL endorsement crashed and burned spectacularly at the convention a few weeks ago.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)It's not surprising, especially in that district.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)LSFL
(1,109 posts)Did not have the support that Bernie had in the primaries.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Our Revolution isn't responsible for winning out of the gate.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I've already made up my mind (my absentee ballot was requested this week) and won't be voting for their endorsed candidate.
I checked out his Twitter feed and he's got a lot of tweets about 'the establishment' and 'corporate Democrats." I HATE this divisive bullshit that allows the GOP to win.