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undeterred

(34,658 posts)
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:43 AM Aug 2012

Freedom From Religion group ramps up national fight against religion in government

Madison-based Freedom From Religion Foundation has been busy of late shoring up the wall between church and state. The group, whose mission to squelch religion in the public sphere was once prone to ridicule, is now a national force to be reckoned with.

"Business is flourishing," says Annie Laurie Gaylor, who co-founded the foundation in 1976 with her mother, Anne Nicol Gaylor. "We're busy all over the country."

Gaylor says the foundation, the nation's largest advocate for the separation of church and state as mandated in the First Amendment, is involved in an unprecedented number of cases of what Gaylor says are unconstitutional encroachments of religion into government. Funded through dues from its 19,000 members and two annual fundraising drives, the foundation has upped its staff attorneys from two to four in the past year to handle the number of complaints coming in. As of June, the foundation had received a record 1,200 complaints on its online reporting system, plus a number of letters and phone calls. The group currently has about 10 active lawsuits. In past years, she says, that number was three or four. The group also has three legal interns who sift through the complaints, prioritizing the ones that need immediate attention.

Gaylor doesn't have a clear answer as to why there has been such an increase in complaints. But she suspects that it stems from a number of factors, including push-back against tea party politics and the increasing secularization of America. But one thing's clear: The foundation is getting far more complaints than it can follow up on.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/crime_and_courts/blog/crime-and-courts-madison-group-ramps-up-national-fight-against/article_795c5fd8-dbec-11e1-b406-001a4bcf887a.html

Their website: http://ffrf.org/

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Freedom From Religion group ramps up national fight against religion in government (Original Post) undeterred Aug 2012 OP
Oh good...maybe we can find some fried chicken tor them to attack. zeemike Aug 2012 #1
If yesterday proved nothing else.. 99Forever Aug 2012 #2
+1 nt raouldukelives Aug 2012 #4
That Will Show Them Lacipyt Aug 2012 #8
10 posts and already a critic. 99Forever Aug 2012 #9
Just Trying To Help Lacipyt Aug 2012 #10
Sounds like advice the religious would do well to follow. eShirl Aug 2012 #11
You'll Note Lacipyt Aug 2012 #20
Typically speaking folks that believe in magic invisible cloud-daddies are "slightly skewed" already truebrit71 Aug 2012 #13
Ah, No Better Way To Talk To People Lacipyt Aug 2012 #21
Do you believe in "god"? truebrit71 Aug 2012 #27
Yes, I Do Lacipyt Aug 2012 #28
So I'm "prejudiced" because I don't "believe" in your magical stories... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #29
No Lacipyt Aug 2012 #30
Read the words of my friends replies above carefully. 99Forever Aug 2012 #15
Keep On Truckin' Lacipyt Aug 2012 #22
Can I get ... 99Forever Aug 2012 #26
You cannot convert a true believer who has a god on their side. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #18
Almost Lacipyt Aug 2012 #24
Agreed 100% nt hifiguy Aug 2012 #16
You can contribute or become a member here: pscot Aug 2012 #3
Thanks. Was about to google it. ellie_belly Aug 2012 #5
Thanks Xyzse Aug 2012 #6
Joined/donated. ellie_belly Aug 2012 #7
I've been a member of this organization, for a couple of years now.... BeachBaby Aug 2012 #12
I think that as their visibility grows undeterred Aug 2012 #25
I think I love that Foundation... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #14
Good DavidDvorkin Aug 2012 #17
They also have a radio show which you can listen to on the internet. undeterred Aug 2012 #19
how dare they.....????! fascisthunter Aug 2012 #23

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
1. Oh good...maybe we can find some fried chicken tor them to attack.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 09:25 AM
Aug 2012

The right wing fundies need a conformation of their belief that the evil government and the godless communist Obama is conspiring to attack Christians.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
2. If yesterday proved nothing else..
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 09:39 AM
Aug 2012

... it showed that the American Taliban has no problem showing the world what a bunch of hateful assholes they are.

I will no longer remain silent when religious bigots run their crap in front of me, including my own family. If they don't like it, too bad.

Lacipyt

(58 posts)
8. That Will Show Them
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:02 AM
Aug 2012

Try to be as obnoxious and crude as they are! That always has worked in the past to resolve conflicts. Make sure you emphasize that based on what they did for lunch yesterday, they're clearly "hateful assholes."

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
9. 10 posts and already a critic.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 11:51 AM
Aug 2012

Enjoy your stay. Do you like pizza? I smell one in the oven with your name on it.

Lacipyt

(58 posts)
10. Just Trying To Help
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:07 PM
Aug 2012

Sometimes a mirror shows imperfections best when slightly skewed.

Thomas Aquinas suggested that to convert somebody, go and take them by the hand and guide them to where you are rather than demand they move from their location.

Just something to think about. No matter how obnoxious the person, you win few converts by descending to their level.

Lacipyt

(58 posts)
20. You'll Note
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:56 PM
Aug 2012

I wrote, tongue-in-cheek, "Try to be as obnoxious and crude as they are!"

There are many such persons out there willing to tell you exactly what they believe if and especially when you don't ask them.

Just remember how they sound to you, because that is probably how you will sound to them if you repeat their approach.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
13. Typically speaking folks that believe in magic invisible cloud-daddies are "slightly skewed" already
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:27 PM
Aug 2012

....and the more rabid they are about their beliefs the more skewed they become...

Lacipyt

(58 posts)
21. Ah, No Better Way To Talk To People
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:04 PM
Aug 2012

Via sophomoric name calling and insisting that they believe in "magic invisible cloud-daddies" is bound to fix that.

Maybe you're missing my point: When someone calls me a "socialist" for espousing my thoughts on health care, I don't shrink and deny deny deny, I ask them questions about what they believe and demonstrate how I arrived at my thoughts on the matter.

When someone says I believe in "magic invisible cloud-daddies," I just shake my head and wonder if they realize religion isn't just televangelists and suicide bombers. Just as some Republicans seem bent on believing liberals want to take away their guns and turn their children into queers.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
27. Do you believe in "god"?
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:16 PM
Aug 2012

Religion is BASED on a fraud whether it has televangelists or suicide bombers they are ALL screwy because they have ABSOLUTE belief in something that does not exist.

Lacipyt

(58 posts)
28. Yes, I Do
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 10:52 AM
Aug 2012

You might "believe" differently, but I have my beliefs and you have yours.

I don't expect you to go to my church if you don't believe, so I hope you'll understand I have no desire to indulge in your prejudices about what you think others believe.

"Absolute" belief? You need to get out more. Talk to people. Better yet, LISTEN to what they have to say.

Lacipyt

(58 posts)
30. No
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 11:44 AM
Aug 2012

You're prejudiced because you believe, as you stated, that people have "absolute belief," as if no Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc. ever has doubts about their beliefs, or even questions them.

As I advised, go out and LISTEN to people. Better yet, read Kathleen Norris' The Cloister Walk and you'll see that, contrary to what you're created in your mind, religious believers are not of one type and devotion. We're a complex lot.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
15. Read the words of my friends replies above carefully.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:55 PM
Aug 2012

Should I require the advice of the largest group of hypocrites ever to infest this planet, I'll ask for it.

I have no interest in trying to "covert" people that believe in magic to rational thought. I don't waste my time on the impossible. If someone is determined to remain in blissful ignorance, it's not my job to coddle them into reality.

Lacipyt

(58 posts)
22. Keep On Truckin'
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:42 PM
Aug 2012

"I have no interest in trying to 'covert' people that believe in magic to rational thought."

...because stereotypes are much easier and fun to apply than actually talking to people and asking them about their beliefs.

"I don't waste my time on the impossible. If someone is determined to remain in blissful ignorance, it's not my job to coddle them into reality."

I've found it difficult to understand how and why people believe. My friend, a psychologist, offers the same view. People are strange. I only wish I had the nescience to declare those who don't think exactly like I do to be in "blissful ignorance." Life would be so much easier if I didn't have all these damn experiences with people that cast light on how my prejudices were just that and not "the way it is."

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
18. You cannot convert a true believer who has a god on their side.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:09 PM
Aug 2012

They see non-believers as people that must either be converted or destroyed, because they present a threat to their belief system.

Intolerant religious fanatics are all the same, matters not the religion.

Those are the type of people being dealt with here, not those open to discussion.

Lacipyt

(58 posts)
24. Almost
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:45 PM
Aug 2012

In agreement. I don't think one needs to be religious to be an intolerant fanatic.

I also don't think anyone beyond rethinking their position. But I've heard crazy defined as trying the same thing over and over while expecting a different result.

If one keep insulting and demeaning them, I do doubt that anyone will change their mind.

BeachBaby

(8,431 posts)
12. I've been a member of this organization, for a couple of years now....
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 12:24 PM
Aug 2012

and what really sucks is that it seems like the stronger the organization becomes and the more exposure it gets, it draws more religious whackjobs out of the woodwork.

I'm very pleased to see how FFRF is growing. More people need to know about its existence. We need all the help we can get.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
25. I think that as their visibility grows
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 08:59 PM
Aug 2012

they will have more and more opportunities to take on good cases. All they are doing is defending the separation of Church and State. Its not only good government, its actually good for religion to stay in that space.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
19. They also have a radio show which you can listen to on the internet.
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:53 PM
Aug 2012

Its on the Mic 92.1 in the Madison area. Its a smart show with a lot of good guests.

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