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riversedge

(70,204 posts)
Sun May 13, 2018, 08:22 PM May 2018

Vegtables/crops rotting in the fields because of #Trumps crackdown on migrant workers!... pics...







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Barry Sensa @nadiepetah

Crops rotting in fields across this country. Georgia other states learning a hard lesson , immigrant workers kept us fed.










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Vegtables/crops rotting in the fields because of #Trumps crackdown on migrant workers!... pics... (Original Post) riversedge May 2018 OP
My give-a-shit's broken. He said he was gonna. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #1
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 May 2018 #2
Even here in Virginia the Eastern Shore is seldom discussed underpants May 2018 #3
Make tomatoes rot again malaise May 2018 #4
:D C Moon May 2018 #29
Pity. NurseJackie May 2018 #5
Where are the plants? Igel May 2018 #10
Good point. I missed that. pangaia May 2018 #32
MAGA. Making Agriculture Go Away TheCowsCameHome May 2018 #6
Everybody suffers, nobody wins. yardwork May 2018 #7
As if food prices aren't high enough RandomAccess May 2018 #8
+100 Duppers May 2018 #24
I realize all our food prices will go up but I have no sympathy for any of these people. blueinredohio May 2018 #9
Numerical limits on this visas are ridiculous treestar May 2018 #11
Gas prices up. Food prices up. S.E. TN Liberal May 2018 #12
Great post! Duppers May 2018 #25
I live in Santa Maria CA and the strawberries wasupaloopa May 2018 #13
Cry me a river, if they pay market wages, the jobs would be filled. tritsofme May 2018 #14
You nailed it! BigmanPigman May 2018 #20
No, they actually would not fill those jobs. SeattleVet May 2018 #36
If the American agriculture industry can't exist without sub-minimum wage labor... tritsofme May 2018 #37
Nobody said anything about exploiting sub-minimum wage labor, or undocumented people. SeattleVet May 2018 #41
I agree Raine May 2018 #43
And if you paid True Prices for food grown by workers paid fair wages Achilleaze May 2018 #44
Donald has thousands of coal miners wanting work... put them to work in the fields. keithbvadu2 May 2018 #15
Well, I'm heartbroken Sam McGee May 2018 #16
I recall vast peanut fields on a drive westward going home... KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #38
I don't know what caused the shortage, but about a year and a half ago, BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #17
Let's also not forget freethought May 2018 #18
Brazil lunasun May 2018 #28
I stand corrected freethought May 2018 #33
China should have aligned themselves earlier but they were so star struck with the U$A $$power lunasun May 2018 #34
We live in the midst of Ohio soybrean and corn land, In the last two weeks we have airmid May 2018 #42
The only thing that should be rotting in the field is drumpf et al. democratisphere May 2018 #19
Doubt it . Who ever runs will have emails or some manufactured bullshit they want to believe lunasun May 2018 #30
"Georgia other states learning a hard lesson, immigrant workers kept us fed." Grokenstein May 2018 #21
Deportee struggle4progress May 2018 #22
as long as he has his KFC, all is good /nt BigBearJohn May 2018 #23
Maybe ...isn't a lot of chicken coming from china now lunasun May 2018 #31
Best part? They'll vote for him again. Crash2Parties May 2018 #26
First tweet ..in Trump country lunasun May 2018 #27
We live in interesting times burrowowl May 2018 #35
Getcher Buyers Remores to Cha May 2018 #39
Everything Trump touches dies....including food crops. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #40
Putin is laughing JustAnotherGen May 2018 #45
Listening to Sirius Progress 127 last summer and a guest on one of the programs pointed this out. scarletlib May 2018 #46
Georgia Republicans have been hurting our farmers bad Hortensis May 2018 #47
And now, ladies and gentlemen, let's all focus on Chinese jobs, too. calimary May 2018 #48

underpants

(182,788 posts)
3. Even here in Virginia the Eastern Shore is seldom discussed
Sun May 13, 2018, 08:33 PM
May 2018

and what it contributes except that Gov Northam is from the Eastern Shore.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
10. Where are the plants?
Sun May 13, 2018, 09:00 PM
May 2018

That's what my garden used to look like after a sudden freeze. Plants dark and mushy, tomatoes just lying there.

Can't find any independent reporting on a current labor shortage, at least not one worse than a decade back.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. Numerical limits on this visas are ridiculous
Sun May 13, 2018, 09:07 PM
May 2018

Prove there are US workers or issue visas in a number required for each year. That would put an end to the "illegal" nonsense.

S.E. TN Liberal

(508 posts)
12. Gas prices up. Food prices up.
Sun May 13, 2018, 09:26 PM
May 2018

Corporate profits up.

Wages stagnant.

Pensions stagnant, if we manage to keep them.

Social Security stagnant.

Retirement benefits under pressure, especially once the stock market does its' usual "republican't-in-the-White-House" dive.

Yep. It is easy to tell the republican'ts control the economy.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
13. I live in Santa Maria CA and the strawberries
Sun May 13, 2018, 09:39 PM
May 2018

are ready.

We have want ads in the paper for “harvesters.”

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
36. No, they actually would not fill those jobs.
Mon May 14, 2018, 01:00 AM
May 2018

Two years ago here in Washington they tried paying a decent amount ABOVE the prevailing market wages when they were trying to get apple pickers to keep the crops from rotting on the trees (and this is not nearly as arduous a type of labor as harvesting strawberries, tomatoes, or a lot of other crops).

A lot of people initially signed up to pick, but most of these people lasted one day (or left sometime during the first day), and the vast majority were gone within a week. Apples rotted on the trees, or became groundfall (which you *might* be able to sell for cider, if they weren't too far gone). Apple prices around the country spiked up because the supply was down, even though the crop was huge, since they could not get people to come in and pick them.

Even with a very lucrative salary these jobs were NOT something that even some of the most desperate people would actually work at for more than a day or two.

There are somethings that you cannot get American workers to do for any extended period (crop harvesting, marrying a tRump, etc.) even if you are paying way above the norm for the job.

Multiply that across a vast number of agricultural (and seafood - see the example of the crab packers in Maryland) products that depend on manual labor and get prepared for sticker shock when you see how more you have to pay for many food items over the coming year.

tRump has kicked the bucked out from under the American agriculture industry.

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
37. If the American agriculture industry can't exist without sub-minimum wage labor...
Mon May 14, 2018, 02:16 AM
May 2018

Exploiting vulnerable migrants here illegally, who clearly wouldn't choose this type of work, especially for such low pay, if they had any other choice

Is it an industry that really should exist? At least in it's present form? Not sure why I should be shedding any tears for these big farm owners.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
41. Nobody said anything about exploiting sub-minimum wage labor, or undocumented people.
Mon May 14, 2018, 03:16 AM
May 2018

They can't get enough LEGAL visa holders to do the work, because turd-boy has cut the number of people allowed in under the H2B program.

Of course, Merde-a-Loco got their entire allotment of via holders, but there are places (like the crab processors mentioned in the original article) that can't get the labor to stay in business. The wage doesn't matter - American workers will NOT do the dull, repetitive hard work involved, even when paid above-market rates.

Many of these are definitely NOT 'big farm owners'. The ones being hurt the most are the smaller farms, processing facilities, or other businesses that didn't 'win the lottery' and get the people to do the work, while the other guy down the road did manage to get lucky and get a labor force.

Unfortunately, the entire country will be paying the price for the Orange Horror's misguided attempt at immigration reform. A lot of migrant workers that USED to come to work the fields (with or without benefit of a work visa) and support their families are also getting hit hard by the crap he's pulling.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
43. I agree
Mon May 14, 2018, 04:17 AM
May 2018

they need to take less profit and pay people more, then they can get people willing to do the work instead of having to exploit them.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
44. And if you paid True Prices for food grown by workers paid fair wages
Mon May 14, 2018, 06:07 AM
May 2018

you would indeed cry a river. The system keeps prices artificially low by paying poverty wages to workers, and a host of other mercenary policies.

keithbvadu2

(36,788 posts)
15. Donald has thousands of coal miners wanting work... put them to work in the fields.
Sun May 13, 2018, 09:54 PM
May 2018

And it will cut back on the unemployment.

Get busy, Donald.

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
16. Well, I'm heartbroken
Sun May 13, 2018, 09:55 PM
May 2018

I live in rural Virginia on the Chesapeake Bay. I'm fortunate to be retired with a decent pension, Medicare, a little money in the bank, good health and no debts. Not so with my struggling neighbors. The crabbers are in a hurt and slipping deeper every day -- Hispanics came in every year to pick crab meat from crabs -- not so this year. Only about 25% as many pickers showed up this year. So, the guys who catch the crabs can't sell them to the processors, instead, they must sell whole crabs to the restaurants and that's a limited market.

Friends on the Eastern Shore are telling me about the crops rotting in the fields for lack of pickers, thanks to Trump's limitations on seasonal work visas.

All these people are Trump voters.. I'm betting they will NOT turn on him. Doesn't matter if he kills their livelihood -- just so they can keep their guns, keep the brown-skinned people in their places, keep the gays in the closet and keep women barefoot and pregnant -- that's all that matters.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-03-30/chesapeake-crab-houses-struggle-to-find-retain-american-workers

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
38. I recall vast peanut fields on a drive westward going home...
Mon May 14, 2018, 02:45 AM
May 2018

from a job in Franklin, Virginia. Love Virginia peanuts and boiled peanuts from anywhere. I would guess that could affect that industry as well.

Prices on a lot of American favorites like crab cakes and peanuts could go out the roof.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
17. I don't know what caused the shortage, but about a year and a half ago,
Sun May 13, 2018, 09:58 PM
May 2018

cauliflower was in short supply. A local news show took a clip of a till receipt from a carriage trade sort of grocery store in Vancouver. $12.50

$12.50 for a cauliflower?!??! These are the kinds of prices that could be coming.

freethought

(2,457 posts)
18. Let's also not forget
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:07 PM
May 2018

Crops like soybeans and corn. One does not need migrant labor to harvest them, but when China cancels orders for what would have been $16 billion in soybean exports. That's going to hurt a number of American farmers.

Who will China buy them from? Looks like a good chunk of those orders will be filled by Canada.

Nice goin' Trump voters!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
28. Brazil
Sun May 13, 2018, 11:06 PM
May 2018

The agriculture of Brazil is historically one of the principal bases of Brazil's economy. While its initial focus was on sugarcane, Brazil eventually became the world's largest exporter of coffee, soybeans, beef, and crop-based ethanol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Brazil

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
34. China should have aligned themselves earlier but they were so star struck with the U$A $$power
Sun May 13, 2018, 11:34 PM
May 2018

Expect more US propaganda about evil SA countries as they are supplying more to EU and China now

airmid

(500 posts)
42. We live in the midst of Ohio soybrean and corn land, In the last two weeks we have
Mon May 14, 2018, 03:53 AM
May 2018

noticed a spike in farmland converting to cattle.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
19. The only thing that should be rotting in the field is drumpf et al.
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:10 PM
May 2018

Hopefully the farmers that voted for drumpf got the message for 2020.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
30. Doubt it . Who ever runs will have emails or some manufactured bullshit they want to believe
Sun May 13, 2018, 11:13 PM
May 2018

so they don't have to vote dem

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
21. "Georgia other states learning a hard lesson, immigrant workers kept us fed."
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:30 PM
May 2018

This won't be the first time Georgians were presented with this lesson.
Are they capable of learning it?

https://www.agprofessional.com/article/manual-farm-labor-too-hard-georgia-parolees

(2011) As laws against undocumented laborers are being tightened, farmers in the U.S. are being caught in the middle, forced to switch crops or sell their farms. And the latest state to put farmers in the squeeze is Georgia, which earlier this spring passed legislation copied from portions of the Arizona law restricting the hiring of undocumented laborers.

In a report filed by a Georgia television station, out of work probationers/parolees, from the state's prisons and court system, volunteered to pick cucumbers under a program that the Georgia governor dreamed up. But the first day didn't go too well as 19 probationers started the day and eight quit by noon.


“The invisible hand of the market has moved over 84,000 acres of production and over 22,000 farm jobs to Mexico and shut down over a million acres of US farm land due to lack of available labor. Because apparently, even the invisble hand doesn’t want to pick beans.” -- Stephen Colbert, 2010

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
26. Best part? They'll vote for him again.
Sun May 13, 2018, 11:05 PM
May 2018

Why? Because he & the GOP promises them they can keep being racist / sexist / ableist / imposing their religion on others.

Cha

(297,190 posts)
39. Getcher Buyers Remores to
Mon May 14, 2018, 02:55 AM
May 2018

the Polls in November, trumpers.

"Going out of business" doesn't sound like " so much winning".

scarletlib

(3,411 posts)
46. Listening to Sirius Progress 127 last summer and a guest on one of the programs pointed this out.
Mon May 14, 2018, 08:29 AM
May 2018

He stated that contrary to popular opinion this type of work, while it is manual labor, is actually highly skilled. He stated it takes knowledge and skills to know how to pick the fields quickly and efficiently without damaging the food you are harvesting.People coming in without this knowledge just can not do the job well enough to complete the harvest fully.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Georgia Republicans have been hurting our farmers bad
Mon May 14, 2018, 10:25 AM
May 2018

since 2012, even became famous among red states for it. In 2017, GA applied for and obtained more temporary labor visas than any other state. No doubt that'll lessen the hit, but not eliminate it. It is forcing farmers who can to upgrade their automation.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
48. And now, ladies and gentlemen, let's all focus on Chinese jobs, too.
Tue May 15, 2018, 08:04 PM
May 2018

I think those two words will ensure that Dems take back the House. If only they'll USE THEM!!!

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