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The evidence has been extremely strong that the Russian government was actively involved in our 2016 elections. They sought to damage Hillary Clinton and assist Trump. Their accomplishments were remarkable and probably beyond their expectations. It would be naive to think that it won't happen again.
As this interference has become public knowledge, there is an understandable outrage from many Americans. How can we let the Russians mess with our elections?! So, we have the Mueller investigation, Congressional investigations and many journalists reporting what can be discovered about this intrusion into our democratic system.
And yet...
The United States has interfered in other countries' political and economic systems for more than a hundred years. Consider our government's actions in Chile, Iran, Iraq, Venezuela and other sovereign nations. In our names, the government has skewed elections, assassinated political foes and installed authoritarian rulers in order to dominate those countries' regions and resources.
I'm a life-long Democrat and a proud American. I vote and I pay my taxes. I volunteer and give to charities. I try to contribute to my community.
And yet, I find it pretty rich that we're outraged that another nation would interfere with our elections. It's just another of the many lessons we've taught the rest of the world.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Hang around a little bit. Methinks shits about to get real..real fast. What evidence have you that we've interfered? And precisely, why would that be any shade of justification for what happened to us?
PJMcK
(22,035 posts)Importantly, I was asking why would we be exempt from foreign interference?
If our government took similar actions in other countries, our outrage is a bit hypocritical.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)you sounded like dt on the campaign trail. Touched a nerve. You take care.
ck4829
(35,069 posts)"Every country does it now."
No it doesn't have to be OK - Pinochet was a pedophile abetting monster. I didn't vote for him to be dictator of Chile in any way.
The Putinist regime has murdered their own people and skewed elections in their own country - It's not Sweden or Denmark interfering in our country's politics. If every country does why is it the country that has a government-by-mob doing it today and not the countries with universal healthcare that actually gives a hoot about their own populace?
How many Ryazan situations do we have?
How many should we have?
How many Alexander Litvinenko people do we have?
How many should we have?
How many Beslan school crises do we have?
How many should we have?
How many Sergei Magnitsky people do we have?
How many should we have?
If Trump were as smart as Putin, we'd be in even deeper trouble than we are now. Additionally, and thankfully, some of our fundamental government institutions are holding our Republic together inspire of Trump's chaos.
I can see a possible future where the breath of the corruption that is within our governments is exposed and eradicated. I'm an optimist.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)malaise
(268,968 posts)Believe me
PJMcK
(22,035 posts)She shared the idea that Americans have a sense of exceptionalism that most of the rest of the world doesn't recognize; they simply tolerate our self-important posture.
Americans don't realize that much of what the RWs are doing at home these days was practiced and perfected overseas by both parties.
PJMcK
(22,035 posts)But I always vote for Democratic candidates.
OneBro
(1,159 posts)True, the US has a long history of putting dictators in power in foreign lands, but our outrage comes from the traitorous ratfucking Republicans and Trump who worked with Russia to undermine the integrity of our elections and to ultimately alienate us from our allies.