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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie's army in disarray - Politico
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrats-2018-599331"...But an extensive review of the Sanders-inspired group depicts an organization in disarray operating primarily as a promotional vehicle for its leader and sometimes even snubbing candidates aligned with Sanders. Our Revolution has shown no ability to tip a major Democratic election in its favor despite possessing Sanders email list, the envy of the Democratic Party and can claim no major wins in 2018 as its own."
There is quite a bit here. Donations are dropping, Lucy Flores quit, process for selecting OR candidates is not transparent and/or fair, Nina Turner is setting herself up for a presidential run if Bernie bows out and people are not having it .
I admit that I do not support the OR org in any way - however I do support progressive candidates running in open races, against Repubs and against very conservative Dems. I appreciate that even though OR did not support Kara Eastman in the NE02 primary, she is more progressive than the Dem who ran, she won and they seemed to have a respectful race based on policies rather than personal attacks and will work together (this is the way you do it!).
Timing on this is interesting as I thought Bernie was announcing his re-election run for Senate today (and possibly making a statement on 2020?)
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)I was shocked by the actions of the local Our Revolution group http://www.indoamerican-news.com/local-democrats-infighting-attempts-to-smear-sri-kulkarni/
But Beaton, who is backing candidate Steve Brown in the primary, is throwing out all sorts of minor issues to sideline Kulkarnis bid. He has challenged Kulkarnis full name, his residency in the district, his voting record and even his registration application saying he wanted to run in Massachusetts.
Inspite of these diversions, the Indian American community as well as the rest of the South And East Asian communities are staunchly behind Kulkarni and they have shown it by the sheer numbers who have come to his events and are donating funds to his campaign, sensing a chance to have an Asian in Congress from the Metroplex. They came together last night, Tuesday, February 20, at Madras Pavlion to rally behind Kulkarni and push back against these charges.
Encouraged, Kulkarni is counting on their support. Were pushing back against this stigmatization and slander, Kulkarni said. The Asian communities need to come out and vote to get us over the top in the primary.
From another article http://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/texas-congressional-candidate-sri-kulkarni-acknowledges-teen-drug-arrest-youthful/article_54a39be6-1e55-11e8-8db1-6f520552146f.html
The letter suggested that Kulkarni, whose full first name is Srinivas, is running under an assumed name and that he had previously registered with the Federal Election Commission to run for a congressional seat in Massachusetts.,,,,
Fort Bend County's past Democratic chair, Don Bankston, a member of the party's state executive committee, said the attack on Kulkarni is off base and potentially slanderous, according to the report.
Again, I am good friends with the Muslim precinct chairs in my district. They are still pissed as this attack.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)political opponents social media and news articles and try to use what they find to attack them.
It's a very Stalinist approach to politics and they don't see that they are doing something wrong. They think this is the right way to behave in politics and Sanders and his folks have not discouraged this behavior even though it has to have come to his attention multiple times.
(This is a repost of my comment under the OP I posted about this)
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)has been dismal. It's almost a total loss so far. This, I think, is due to their endorsing primary candidates who are running against popular Democratic incumbents or challengers of Republicans. What I'm waiting to see is whether Our Revolution, having lost in various districts, will now shift to support for the Democrat who won in those primaries. If they do, that will be fine. If not, then we will see that OR does not really have the good of those districts as a overriding goal.
comradebillyboy
(10,144 posts)that beat her candidate in the primaries. Notice that OR never got around to endorsing Jones or Northam in the general election.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)That's terrible, especially in a year where we need unity if we're going to regain control of legislative houses.
Cha
(297,188 posts)I've read about her make it easy for me to take the article as factual.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)When she became a leader of this group I was sure it would fail. Not just because of her, though, but because dissident groups, regardless of ideals, usually draw fatal numbers of rejects from other groups and/or who just don't play well with others.
The Turners couldn't do nearly as much harm if only more people remembered that disposition to bias (bigotry), and its hostility and aggression, comes from within. Scratch someone displaying hostility and aggression toward one group (and Turner's nothing but),and you will discover bigotry on other bases, color, religion, whatever. Right along with that, of course, is always a whole package of other character and judgement flaws.
So, of course OR isn't doing well. Sanders dissociated himself some time ago, though not as definitively as Howard Dean had to after the similar group he so hopefully started got flooded and taken over by dysfunctional dissidents. The Green Party another example, destroyed almost as soon as founded.
comradebillyboy
(10,144 posts)vanity project. And Bernie's precious mailing list isn't getting Nina's pet candidates elected. Oh well Bernie and his OR group have never been good at cooperation and team work.
Cha
(297,188 posts)Show.
Who could possibly have seen that coming?! I am so shocked.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cha
(297,188 posts)it's all about victimhood.. when they can't debate on the merits or lack there of.. they pull some card out.
Nina is her own worst enemy.
Cha
(297,188 posts)Say What?!
Board members flagged Figaros frequent appearances on Fox News praising Trump. She has said on the network as recently as the end of April that the presidents critics mostly dont like that hes shaking up the system. And last year she said immigrants are coming into the country and getting benefits that Americans do not get, and getting away with crimes while African-Americans go to prison.
From your link..
Both fans and detractors of Sanders pin Our Revolutions problems on Turner, the former Ohio state senator who became the groups president and public face a year ago. Though some sources involved in Our Revolution said shes been an effective spokesperson, several others told POLITICO they think shes seeking to increase her profile and collect chits to run for president herself as the leader of the Sanders movement if the 76-year-old senator ultimately sits out 2020.
Yeah, trump shaking up the system like a MFr.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Sometimes grassroots efforts take hold.
Sometimes they don't but still influence.
Sometimes they just go away.
That OR still gets political coverage by wonky blogs and at DU shows that that OR is still engaging.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This isn't a grassroots effort, its an attempt to turn a cult of the personality into a political movement. And like all such attempts it is going to fail.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)That is what Democracy looks like.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,370 posts)Im sure you remember being called a cult member by fellow Democrats. I know I do. You can object to Bernie and his supporters without going there.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I am sure you will agree with that logic.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Exotica
(1,461 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)are you corporate media??
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)a black female progressive on a so called progressive site.. "cult" is relative to your intentions, anyone who claims to value democracy shouldn't have a problem with primaries and voters deciding on whom they best believe represents their districts..
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)how many exaggerations and failed attempts at pandering can you post in one message?
Civil rights are not that important to you so I would give that up. I know that because we never see you in the African American forum.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)& I don't pretend to know everyone's life experiences.. unlike yourself apparently
this "writer" has a hard on for hit pieces when it comes to B. Sanders.. not hard to see the trend, but keep on keeping on..
[link:https://www.google.com/search?q=EDWARD-ISAAC+DOVERE+%2B+Bernie+Sanders&oq=EDWARD-ISAAC+DOVERE+%2B+Bernie+Sanders&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8|
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)A veritable gish gallop of logical fallacies.
So lets start off with the fact that we were talking about Nina Turner and how you accused me of not being progressive because I didn't support a progressive african american. To which I said civil rights arent that important to you and now you are saying "But I'm Puerto Rican" and you add an accusation that "you pretend to know everyone's life experiences"
So lets sum this up:
1. You made an accusation against me that I don't support African American rights because I don't support your politician, even though, you never participate in the AA forum here. (I have, and for years, btw).
2. When called on the fact that you don't participate in the AA forum, you couter with "but I'm Puerto Rican". Um, ok. I'm both Latino and have AA heritage. What was that you were saying about pretending to know everyone's life experiences"
3. And then, rather than attempting to address the article for the facts in it, you present a link to a datamine of the authors other articles. Sorry dude, the article stands on its own. Posting links to the author's prior articles is not a defense against the facts in his current one. I realize supporters of OR like to try to do this kind of stuff to discredit people, but its a disgusting tactic.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)"Bernie's army is in disarray" - you can stand by that article if you like, I see you posted it as well.. the reality is quite the contrary, it seems to me lots of folks sphincters are tightening up the closer we get to election season 2018 & 2020..
Oh, & stop distracting with talk of what forum you or I post in.. irrelevant, I look for issues based posts (not that there are many to find anymore) - It's a hit pc plain & simple.. you might not like it being called what it is.. IT'S A POLICIAL HIT PIECE - it's probably related to the NY governors race getting a bit contentious and OR endorsing Nixon.. always look for the angles
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)but Democrats have to 'prove' themselves...I am sorry I ever voted for her in Ohio...disgusted by her rhetoric and her actions.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I don't see anyone arguing against the concept of primaries... that seems to be your own construction allowing you something to argue against.
What I do see is criticism of a candidate; which is both part and parcel of, and falls well within the window of "voters deciding on whom they best believe represents their districts.."
But I get it... criticism against sacred cows are never genuine nor sincere, merely the machinations and hit pieces of corporate interest. Articles, editorials and news pieces illustrating him in a good light however, are "real" and worthy of merit.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)are not meant to organize your entire life around them.
That silly Gandhi quote has been used by that group so often and it's so obviously crap.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)It's the epitome of lazy thinking.
Sid
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Turner is a self serving opportunist...she is not progressive and she hates Democrats...she ran primary challengers for sitting Democrats as a means of revenge against the party. Did she take on Trump or the GOP...no she didn't.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Or when it's merely a cover to avoid critical thought.
But no doubt, you'll allege critical thought without bias, evidences to the contrary.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Gothmog
(145,168 posts)RandySF
(58,797 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)RandySF
(58,797 posts)And another did go on a public anti-immigration rant.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)His strength is advocacy, not implementing what he wants to achieve.
We're seeing the results on a national scale.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)have what it takes to get things done on even a small state scale, let alone a national one.
Quite frankly, he doesn't even talk that good of a game. He has the superficial stuff down, but as soon as you get past that, you realize he doesn't have a good concept of most issues. let alone something like the economy.
He would be a complete disaster as President.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Let them start working for Fox News since all they're good for is pissing on Dems...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Nitram
(22,794 posts)Last edited Tue May 22, 2018, 09:51 AM - Edit history (1)
movement for not being pure enough, for not being true believers, for not being radical enough. If by chance they won, they'd dissolve into a civil war of infighting. I saw a lot of that in the 60s.
Cha
(297,188 posts)so fantastic.
JI7
(89,248 posts)They overlook many things even it comes to those they like.
Their being a so called revolutionary consists in just attacking others for not being good enough.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
wallyworld2
(375 posts)That's it
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)wallyworld2
(375 posts)Gothmog
(145,168 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)on her own. Soon well see Nina vs. Bernie camps and their own purity wars.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)seaglass
(8,171 posts)Did the author think we forgot about OR's endorsement of Heath Mello for Mayor of OMAHA?
"Anchored with this baseless criticism is one that Our Revolution didnt endorse Kara Eastman in Nebraska or John Fetterman in Pennsylvania. As Nebraska Democratic Party Chair Jane Kleeb serves on the Our Revolution Board, the organization would seem unlikely to intervene in one of the states primaries."