A seriously fucked up ideology is fucking us up seriously

[Cary]

A corporation is a person, and using its money to bribe politicians is free speech protected under The First Amendment.

But a black football player taking a knee to speak out against black children being murdered, that is not protected under The First Amendment.

Seig Heil!

[marble falls]

1. If people do not vote blue in mass droves in November they will deserve what they get.

[Cary]

2. Your lips to God's ear

[msongs]

3. ball players trade their rights for the big bucks. maybe a player strike is needed. nt

[Cary]

4. Perhaps but that's hardly the only fucked up part of their ideology

[beachbum bob]

5. Up to us to change the system...it takes us to get off our asses to do so

Handwringing and complaining doesn't achieve anything...

[Cary]

6. Highlighting their atrociousness is not handwringing and complaining

I just finished Amanda Carpenter's Gaslighting America. She leaves some things to be desired but she sets out the gaslighting tactic as well as I have seen it set out. She cites four stages and concludes that the way to combat it is to insist on facts and not move off that insistence.

If you have a better way please let me know.

Of course we have to vote. What have I been saying here for the past year and a half?

[byronius]

7. They think this is the way it's going to be, that we'll all just lie down for it.

It doesn't look much like America right now.

But this is not the way it's going to be. And no one is going to lie down for this.

I insist we exact our eventual revenge by educating their children about civics and social responsibility.

[Cary]

8. Fascism never ends well

The Third Reich lasted a grand total of 12 years, with Germany a bombed out wreck.

[byronius]

12. I know, right? They don't read history. To their detriment.

They've stepped across a terrible line. It cannot be undone or forgiven.

[Cary]

20. Well said

They stepped across a terrible line.

[pazzyanne]

17. "I insist we exact our eventual revenge by educating their children about civics...

and social responsibility."

What a great idea! There are children of the evangelical conservatives in my family who do not embrace their parents political views. I have hope that this will continue as our kids promote taking a larger part in putting political pressure on Congress to do their job. We all need to do/ continue to do this.

[byronius]

19. Education is the core of this nation. Cures all ills.

But especially superstititous primitivism and tribal hatred.

[Initech]

9. Imagine Fox News being around during WWII.

We'd seriously all be living under Nazi rule by now.

[thegoose]

10. They're all insanley fucked up

A failed businessman, a ridiculous hustler, is driving all these pigs to the trough, and they're oink-oink-oinking it all up.

[dlk]

11. Corporations are Tax and Liability Shelters Created on Paper by People

It insults anyone's intelligence to claim they are human, let alone legislate such a scam.

[pazzyanne]

18. Absolutely!!!

I have never accepted the "fact" that corporations are people. Corporations are made up of individual people who have human rights. The rest is what you saidl

[ancianita]

13. Constitutional rights don't stop on the job. A strike is a start, but this needs to get into court.

[stuffmatters]

14. I think a national boycott/protest ag the NFL is in order

March now, turn NFL off teevees in the Fall, vote all Dems into state & local offices in Nov..

[Ilsa]

23. And this won't hurt the players financially?

What if the boycott is construed to be for "taking a knee" vs supporting their right to protest?

[stuffmatters]

28. This was a unilateral Owners" edict.The Players Assoc/Union excluded. A boycott supports Players'

right to both collective bargaining and free speech. They are protesting police violence and institutional injustice against people of color. This is a protest against racism by "taking a knee"; a public boycott supports this action. However Fox News, Trump et alios want to misrepresent this by spewing "fake patriotism" (as Steve Kerr called it) should not deter a public boycott that supports both the players and our Constitution. We live in a world where national boycott against abuse by the powerful appears to be one of our few avenues left to confront that abuse.
I think NFL Players have salary contracts. Their salary not determined by temporary attendance or tv ratings drop.(i.e. a boycott) However the Owners' bottom line would be very much effected from attendance, viewership to selling food & branded sales. That's my bead on it.

[LittleGirl]

15. I know the perfect solution!

Stop playing the damn anthem in the first place. Just play your damn game already.

Stop the Nationalism.

[Cary]

21. That's true.

The national anthem is relatively recent anyway.

[pansypoo53219]

16. hope its the last gasp of reaganism. when will the teabags finally realize they picked

the wrong answer.

[sheshe2]

22. Vote them all to hell.

GOTV 2018

[Cary]

25. I could do that!

I could cast that ballot. It's where they belong.

[sheshe2]

27. I could too, Cary.

No wonder all these stink holes / sink holes are opening up...their maker is calling them home. The sooner the better.

GOTV 2018!

[CrispyQ]

24. Using the 14th amendment to give personhood rights to corporations was the beginning of the end of

our republic. It's just escalated from there to where we are today.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-personhood/

Somewhere in that site is this quote:

Slavery is the fiction that people are property;
corporate personhood is the fiction that corporations are people.

Anyway, lots of good stuff at that site.

[Cary]

26. Thank you.

I will check it out.

[Uncle Joe]

29. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Cary