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Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:36 AM May 2018

Stand for the Anthem? How about no concession sales during the Anthem?

"First things first: NFL players who protest during the national anthem are not protesting The Anthem anymore than Rosa Parks was protesting public transportation. They are demonstrating against racial injustice in policing and in the criminal justice system."

"One ex-pro, Marvin Washington, followed this logic to ask a very good question: If it's disrespectful for NFL employees to kneel during the anthem, surely it's disrespectful to continue selling beer and chili dogs during the ceremony?"

"Or maybe none of this is about the anthem, but about fans being reminded—for less than two minutes—about how maybe the country isn't all great before they get to watch The Big Game. Maybe it has something to do with the complexion of most of those protesting, and the fact they've made many millions of dollars more than most of those watching will in their lifetimes—and they're still not "grateful." And maybe the owners are worried that embracing the social consciousness of their employees might cost them some money. So, after all, would closing the concession stands. The most important freedom in America is the free flow of dollar bills."

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20915719/nfl-national-anthem-protests-concessions-ex-player/





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Stand for the Anthem? How about no concession sales during the Anthem? (Original Post) Va Lefty May 2018 OP
Just get rid of the anthem at sporting events Meadowoak May 2018 #1
I agree but not going to happen Va Lefty May 2018 #3
Then everyone just ignore the damn thing paleotn May 2018 #26
and the flyovers pstokely May 2018 #34
Kick dalton99a May 2018 #2
All stadium employees. At the gate and everywhere. Shut down and get inside for the anthem. brewens May 2018 #4
+ 1 ChiTownDenny May 2018 #30
There is no way that concession stands will be closed. Some forget that the NFL is a business. Trust Buster May 2018 #5
Of course the concession stands won't be closed - but that is the retort you should Kirk Lover May 2018 #9
That sounds like a good compromise MichMan May 2018 #6
"complexion" EOM pangaia May 2018 #7
You damn skippy. nt ! Kirk Lover May 2018 #8
i have worked those stands at lambeau dembotoz May 2018 #10
K&R smirkymonkey May 2018 #11
They could at least shut down the bathrooms. WiseElder May 2018 #12
Or have the toilet seats stand at attention during the anthem. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2018 #15
Andy Griffith keithbvadu2 May 2018 #33
I remember that movie. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2018 #35
They don't sell concessions during the anthem at Diamondbacks baseball games DesertRat May 2018 #13
Dodger games, either. Iggo May 2018 #20
+1 DesertRat May 2018 #22
This is what gets to me, Scarsdale May 2018 #14
I'd wager that 95% of the shit he spews is meant to turn attention away from what's really happening Arkansas Granny May 2018 #18
So what if fans, as a protest greymattermom May 2018 #16
Keep those beers and hotdogs coming boys! kentuck May 2018 #17
And force drivers near the stadium to stop and stand. Igel May 2018 #19
Well, one person has not missed the point. JayhawkSD May 2018 #25
No liquor sales at the Club Level bar Sophiegirl May 2018 #21
What? And interfere with sales of watery $10 beer? hatrack May 2018 #23
And close down the entry gates so that the attendants and those late arrivals can stand and refect Raven123 May 2018 #24
To the GOP, greed is patriotism. dae May 2018 #27
Need to get ur Trumpster Fat Ass out of the Easy Chair and stand,,, Cryptoad May 2018 #28
What About Closing the Gates During the Anthem? dlk May 2018 #29
Who remembers this? Sancho May 2018 #31
The final sentence of the blurb is what the NFL owners realized, as well. (n/t) Iggo May 2018 #32

brewens

(13,582 posts)
4. All stadium employees. At the gate and everywhere. Shut down and get inside for the anthem.
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:43 AM
May 2018

Late arriving fans would just have to wait to get in.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
9. Of course the concession stands won't be closed - but that is the retort you should
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:29 AM
May 2018

use if you speak with anyone about this. It certainly worked with my alt right co worker.

I also asked him what he thought about RUMP telling the players to leave the country......crickets.

MichMan

(11,915 posts)
6. That sounds like a good compromise
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:52 AM
May 2018

If the NFL instituted closing concessions for the duration of the anthem, is that something that everyone could support (including the players) and end the anthem protest issue?

I thought the negotiations for the NFL to establish the $89 million social injustice fund was something that was designed to get the focus away from the anthem. Doesn't sound like many of the players are in favor of it. Maybe this would be better received ?

I was always told that Rosa Parks was protesting against the segregation policies of the Montgomery bus lines? Am I wrong? That bus is on display at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Mi.

dembotoz

(16,802 posts)
10. i have worked those stands at lambeau
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:32 AM
May 2018

the customers have a real push to get their stuff before kickoff
the anthem is like the 2 minute warning

35. I remember that movie.
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:00 PM
May 2018

God, I'm getting old.

Before he became a star, Griffith was a stand up comedian. Here's my favorite routine:

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
13. They don't sell concessions during the anthem at Diamondbacks baseball games
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:52 AM
May 2018

I'm not sure about at other MLB stadium, but I assume it's the same. I've never been to an NFL game, but this surprises me.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
14. This is what gets to me,
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:57 AM
May 2018

tRump avoided serving his country. Mocked others who did. Sold himself and the country to Russia. NOW he wants to dictate what others do during the anthem? Anything to create chaos and take the focus off his traitorous actions.

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
18. I'd wager that 95% of the shit he spews is meant to turn attention away from what's really happening
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:10 AM
May 2018

with this administration. "Look over here, look over there!"

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
16. So what if fans, as a protest
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:58 AM
May 2018

stood in line at the concession stands, then stood at attention with hands over heart during the anthem?

Igel

(35,300 posts)
19. And force drivers near the stadium to stop and stand.
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:13 AM
May 2018

But the issue isn't just what we think it is. It's also from the other side, however subhuman we think them, says. It's not like we have rights and they only have responsibilities--either's neither a plantation nor the USSR or China nor the 3rd Reich.

Employees work for a fiscal organization and get money from that organization. They have responsibilities to do their jobs and not harm their employer. In fact, many employees get their respect and actual public voice, such as it is, from their jobs.

That's true for me as a teacher. It's true for NFL players. It's true for an orchestra conductor. Take away their job and suddenly they have no voice. That running back who hasn't played for 3 years has 0 yards earned, 0 touchdowns, 0 interceptions. That social studies teacher who likes to talk politics in class because "he's right" but who hasn't worked for 3 years isn't a teacher. The orchestra conductor or series actor who speaks out forcefully but hasn't worked in that field for 5 years ... apart from being famous because they're famous, they get little attention.

Unless speaking out by millionaires on national media with broad public support--the height of "bravery" for many--is user-friendly and customer-supported. Then, since it's *helping* bring in $, that's fine.

We confuse customers and employees. As I teacher, I can't get up and trash Trump any more than I can laud him. Or, when Obama was president, Obama. I also avoid religion in my classroom. Yes, many think it's the moral thing to do to take a strong stance and convince students the error of their ways. I tell them to consider the evidence they have, but that means no more "Repent and be saved through the blood of the Lamb" than "There is no god but Allah and Muhammed is his prophet" than "all that religious shite is stupid and you're just sediment in the gene pool if you believe it." I'm not a preacher. I teach a science class in which, oddly, neither evolution nor religion have pretty any say whatsoever.

In fact, as an employee whose job is mostly interacting with the public for the public, presenting a product, I can be fired for doing things that make our customers, the students' parents, sufficiently pissed off. It's the same at DU. A teacher does something wrong, all we have is the student's word for it, and since we share skin color, language, or social class with the student, the student *must* be right and there's a collective "off with her head!" Based on hearsay from one witness. My district has fired a teacher for going to happy hour on Friday after school still wearing a school t-shirt and getting drunk; some parents saw it, questioned the moral rectitude of the teacher, spread the word, and a month later the teacher was told that she was an embarrassment, a bond referendum was coming up that needed to pass, and hundreds of parents signed a petition to get rid of her or they'd vote no. Welcome to democracy. If you're a teacher, don't get drunk on your birthday in the area your school is zoned for. But as an employee of the district, this should have been something she was aware could happen. Otherwise she was just plain stupid.

It would have been worse if she'd taken a controversial stand *as* a teacher in the district to argue with the voters. If we can't understand this, we're substituted "we're right, scream it until it drowns out the thinking!" for "I want to understand."

If a customer protests, well, they're paying to be there and unless they're too offensive to other patrons that's fine. They're not a group, cohesive and unified *by us* and certainly not by themselves. They define their own categories. We're not so powerful and all-controlling as to define their identity and code of behavior and enforce it on them (yet, I guess). But the NFL players, like teachers, are not patrons. The customers, like the students' parents, are patrons, and the NFL players, like teachers, are their (indirect) subordinates.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
25. Well, one person has not missed the point.
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:28 AM
May 2018

No business anywhere allows employees to engage in political activism while "on the clock" and in the employer's place of business. I think you are the first person I've seen in any discussion who gets that. Thank you.

The employer's position in that activism is irrelevant. He/she/it (we need a gender appropriate pronoun) wants customers to buy their product, and an employee engaging in political activity is, inevitably, going to alienate some of those potential clients/customers.

The football players wearing the uniform and in the venue where they are being paid to perform are "on the clock" and should not be "protesting" anything in any manner.

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
21. No liquor sales at the Club Level bar
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:16 AM
May 2018

I’ve had club level seats for many years and when the National Anthem comes on, the bartenders stop serving, place their hands on their hearts until it is over. Then, they go back to serving. I always stand during the anthem out of respect. It does kind of annoy me when there are a few people sitting and carrying on whatever conversation they were having. I guess I’m too old school and know how to show respect to the flag. It only costs me about two minutes to do that despite the cancer in our government right now.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
28. Need to get ur Trumpster Fat Ass out of the Easy Chair and stand,,,
Sat May 26, 2018, 12:15 PM
May 2018

when watching the game on ur big screen TV

dlk

(11,561 posts)
29. What About Closing the Gates During the Anthem?
Sat May 26, 2018, 12:16 PM
May 2018

If the NFL is truly serious, then not only should concessions cease during the anthem, the gates should be closed for admittance and exit (unless it's a medical or police emergency) also. Somehow, I think making money will trump (no pun intended) patriotism.

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