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A word to the castrato Adam Schiff and other Democrats: If you cant win a PR war against this mobbed up, dirty, rotten Cheeto, then you need to get out of politics. Get mad, Goddamnit! Show some passion! Weve had it with your calm, reasonable manner! MAKE SOME F'ING NOISE!!!
https://twitter.com/JimCarrey?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)
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quartz007
(1,216 posts)Most career politicians stay in business due to BIG donors, not small donors. Get my drift?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Call me a hopeless optimist. But that has been the trend lately. There is no limit to what individuals can do when they are committed.
George II
(67,782 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Senator Sanders' "independent expenditure" SuperPac is listed:
www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?cycle=2016&strID=C00490375
www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00490375
www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C00490375&cycle=2016
www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgave2.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00490375
Who are the donors? NNU itself and its affiliate California Nurses Assn.
www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C90013616&cycle=2016
Where did they get the money? They don't say. They are only required to disclose individuals who gave more than $200. There are none listed.
And this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10663156
quartz007
(1,216 posts)lapucelle
(18,231 posts)but there doesn't seem to be anything simple about trying to trace a super pac's millions back to identifiable donors, only to find that ultimately none are actually disclosed.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)not FOR the People.
You're WRONG.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)What I really said is without the BIG donors, career politicians have a difficult time winning elections. There are exceptions of course. Bernie Sanders is a prime example of someone who thrives on small donations.
Also I realize that some politicians genuinely care for the people. But most people do not know who they are unless they follow voting patterns in congress. Even us political junkies do not studiously follow congressional votes on every bill.
George II
(67,782 posts)....you're incorrect about someone "thriving on small donations".
Whereas he'd like you to think his average contribution two years ago was $27, in fact that average was more like $60+, which is in line with many politicians. I could get into more details but......
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)$10M in "small contributions" all in one day. Don't tell anyone!!
quartz007
(1,216 posts)As I keep posting again and again, so long as politicians depend on donations, it encourages influence peddling, lobbyists, and special interests.
I would like to see all private funding made illegal and all campaigns should be publicly funded and shorten the campaign spans. Only then a true democracy can emerge.
George II
(67,782 posts)Response to George II (Reply #166)
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former9thward
(31,963 posts)You are very well aware what PACs do is NOT individual donations. It is "independent" spending on behalf of a candidate or against their opponent. This is where career politicians get their big donors. There are no real limits on what donors can give PACs or what can be done with the money. Remember Citizens United which there has been countless posts about?
George II
(67,782 posts)...are limited to the same maximum as individuals. There is a distinct difference between PACs and SUPER PACs, and the rules governing each are different.
Check out post #382 in this discussion. It is enlightening.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)But $5000 doesn't constitute a "big donor" as it's being portrayed here.
BTW, a married couple can contribute $5400.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)do as you suggest...at least if we elect Democrats, we have shot.I will never get a unicorn sadly, and you have an equally bad chance of winning anything if you kneecap Democrats by holding them to a standard of purity in terms of campaign finance that the other side does not have to adhere to. Jim Carrey is a jerk on this.
Cha
(297,034 posts)People.. and I don't want to see anyone dissing our Hard working Dems on the front lines.
And, please don't give any "prime examples". I don't buy into that. he's no better than anyone else fighting for our Democracy.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)As has been discussed thoroughly on DU when recently announced he would once again run as a Democrat, then decline the nomination, just every time he runs in the primary in VT.
And what "large donors" are you talking about?
You don't seem to be familiar with campaign finance law...
quartz007
(1,216 posts)It could mean starting a new PAC, donating to an existing PAC, or corporate donations.
George II
(67,782 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)why don't you please summarize how corporations pour in so much money into politicians? You seem to have time to read all that stuff.
George II
(67,782 posts)...who claimed it, why don't you give a few details?
quartz007
(1,216 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....(different magnitudes and amounts) for just about every candidate.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)comes to campaigns.
It's not a "loose" term, as we have seen with the Stormy Daniels hush money.
If Michael Cohen paid Stormy to stay quiet for the duration of the campaign, that is considered a campaign donation.
Of course if a SuperPac pays for ads supporting a candidate, that is not considered a donation, even though those ads may cost millions of dollars that a candidate does not have to spend.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10663156
quartz007
(1,216 posts)I am not writing a court document or a congressional bill. Hence I do not have to be legally correct in expressing an opinion.
What I mean by "donations" is the money which flows to political candidates DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY to help them get elected.
As I keep posting again and again, PRIVATE DONATIONS encourage special interests and Lobbyists to influence politicians.
Only way the corruption will end is by financing all campaigns with tax money allocated by the government. Make all private donations ILLEGAL.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Some very generous support from SuperPacs.
Me.
(35,454 posts)This is a guaranteed drink for Debate Night Bingo. Sanderss rejection of super PACs has become such a core part of his campaign that his supporters worked it into their chant: We dont need a Super PAC, Bernie Sanders has our back.Yet there are some important distinctions glossed over in this claim, which obscures the fact that Sanders has benefited from outside groups, including a super PAC that has spent more than $1 million campaigning for him. Lets check it out
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Most presidential candidates have tacitly sanctioned super PACs that support them and act as extensions of their official campaigns. They often are run by the candidates former staffers or top allies, and the candidates help raise money for these super PACs. For example, Jeb Bushs allies run a super PAC and nonprofit called Right to Rise. Hillary Clintons super PACs, Priorities USA Action and Correct the Record, are run by her top allies. Such super PACs have been criticized for blurring the line between coordination and non-coordination. (Check out this helpful graphic by The Washington Post and the Center for Responsive Politics.)
Technically, there is no super PAC sanctioned by Sanders in the same way that other candidates have. There have been three unaffiliated ones. Billionaires for Bernie has not raised any money. Collective Actions PAC raised just $443. Sanders has worked to disassociate himself from these groups, PolitiFact found.
The third has gotten the most attention: a super PAC financed by the nurses union. The National Nurses United for Patient Protection has spent nearly $1.2 million as of February 2016 in support of Sanders, including on mailers and a bus tour through several key early primary states.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/11/sanderss-claim-that-he-does-not-have-a-super-pac/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0000b15da80c
On Thursday, Sanders won the support of Communications Workers of America, another major labor union. At an event announcing the endorsement, a similar tension was on display. Sanders denounced big money in politics, but CWA president Chris Shelton indicated the union is likely to use its super PAC to support his campaign. We will respect Bernies wishes, but we will use all legal and possible resources to get him elected, Candice Johnson, a spokesperson for the union said. We do have a super PAC, but its a super PAC of a union of 700,000 working people, not a couple of billionaires. Thats a big difference.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/bernie-sanders-super-pac/420930/
It is an unusual arrangement: Instead of billionaire donors looking to fund television ads, Sanders campaign staffers have formed a dissenting splinter group in the northernmost state and campaign on the ground for the Alaska caucus. From a drab shopping mall storefront, they want to take on Clintons powerful alliance on the Acela corridor.
The group also exists in murky legal territory, as federal election law requires a cooling-off period that prevents a candidates staff from leaving the campaign and doing certain kinds of work for a supporting super PAC within 120 days. Americas Youth PAC disputes it is doing anything illegal, but several independent campaign finance experts said it was pressing the boundaries of election law.
http://time.com/4261350/bernie-sanders-super-pac-alaska-millenials/
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)or something which allows them to accept money but not reveal the donor?
Me.
(35,454 posts)It's Not A Pac....
Nonprofit Structure Backfires on 'Our Revolution'
Tonight I want to introduce you to a new, independent nonprofit organization that is called Our Revolution, which is inspired by the historic Bernie 2016 presidential campaign, said Sanders at the event, which was livestreamed to some 300,000 supporters. The group, Sanders declared, will be fighting at the grassroots level for changes in their local school boards, in their city councils, in their state legislatures and in their representation in Washington.
But the enthusiastic applause that greeted Sanders in Burlington contrasted sharply with the messy controversies and bad press dogging Our Revolution even before its official launch. On the same day that Sanders introduced the group, The New York Times reported that Our Revolution had been met by a staff revolt in the form of eight staff resignations. The malcontents blasted Sanderss selection of his campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, to head the new organization, and complained that Our Revolutions structure as a nonprofit 501(c)(4) social welfare group creates organizational and ethics problems.
http://prospect.org/article/nonprofit-structure-backfires-our-revolution
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)"castrated"..
Liegate: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on Spygate claim
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
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"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of executive time to watch television."
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They're dissing all the excellent work Adam has done for us as if it were nothing. Unreal, flea
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)just supporting a fellow traveler's frustration with the bi-partisan approach.
Cha
(297,034 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I apologize to you and the members of this site. My bad
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)like Schiff is not only allowed to stand here, of all places, but is actually being huzzahed. What has Carrey done to fight Trump aside from posting cartoons? Meanwhile Schiff works tirelessly against Trump where it actually matters. Here's what Carrey's done: he's given Trump a great big present, in this piece of utterly twisted ammunition, to use against one of Trump's most tireless foes.
Cha
(297,034 posts)has done nothing to fight trump except cartoons.. while Adam Schiff has been out there on the Front Lines Fighting for our Democracy tirelessly as you noted.
trump better Not display Carrey's depiction of Adam Schiff as a Gotcha.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)to do it, but Jim suffers from the same misconception many do as to HOW democrats can get on TV to show their anger.
They cant just call reporters from major networks to come to their office, doesnt work like that.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)wrong and behaving like an asshole. I suppose we can expect more of this as the midterms loom...well clear to see on this thread who supports Democrats and who doesn't.
Cha
(297,034 posts)Last edited Sun May 27, 2018, 09:48 AM - Edit history (1)
about this flagrant lie from Carrey is.. I found out more about Adam Schiff than I knew.
Just a few examples from him and about him..
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ETA~
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onlyadream
(2,165 posts)Jim Carey is venting his frustration on the wrong person. Go after the GOP Congress who are enabling Trump, or the religious right, who are the biggest hypocrites ever.
Cha
(297,034 posts)I can't wait until we get out of this living nightmare.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)You too
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)think Adam Schiff, who is out there all the time on the Front Lines, trying to save our Democracy, deserves to be depicted as "Castrated".
I was very happy that Adam Schiff beat the Republicans to the punch Thursday and getting in front of the cameras and saying there was no FBI spying.
Cha
(297,034 posts)got out there Thursday and said there was NO FBI spying.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I just wish more of them would get some backbone and attack these bastards because there is so much to attack them on. They are destroying this country. I want to see more Democrats out there FIGHTING! I'm sorry, I just wish they would be a bit more aggressive against this assault on our nation.
Mahalo, Cha!
Cha
(297,034 posts)kacekwl
(7,016 posts)It's not his nature to be loud and harsh. I be there is someone they could find in the Democratic party who could. Come on guys and gals, someone step up loudly.
Cha
(297,034 posts)mcar
(42,294 posts)Many Democrats are speaking out, on TV, on social media, in print media.
I see them and I hear them on a daily basis.
Cha
(297,034 posts)mcar
(42,294 posts)People are applauding this filthy lie while 1500 children have gotten "lost" by ICE.
Cha
(297,034 posts)he is one of the hardest working Dems out there.
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Fucking asshole trump calls him "little" and Adam Schiff keeps his cool.
George II
(67,782 posts)NickB79
(19,233 posts)Sadly, he is no longer in Washington.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)And I was unhappy with the entire thing.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)Without a fight, without explanation, without a word.
Interesting.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)about it. What is done is done.
Pensfan8771
(1 post)I believe Democrats should do everything in their power to grind government business to a halt until the investigations are concluded. Do you know how much damage the GOP are doing on a daily basis and we aren't even trying any parliamentary tricks to gum up the works? Did you also know that a recent poll found that 59% of the respondents didn't know of any of the charges stemming from the Mueller investigation? We are losing the PR war and our country in the process, i fear
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)government. Those who want to shut down the government risk the midterm for nothing. We won't win as the GOP loves a shutdown they can blame on us.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)As long as tRump opens his trap, sucks the oxygen out of the room and corporate media trips over their own feet to report it, the Dems are out in the cold.
The only way any of this changes is beating the repubs in November.
msongs
(67,381 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)But with tRump, whose turned the WH into a racist and traitorous reality show, corporate media is going to go at it 24/7 when he opens his mouth.
The Dems aren't heard because no one's paying attention to them.
Of course, we get our nightly outrage with folks like Ari, Rachel, Joy and others, but it's still almost always about tRump.
KPN
(15,641 posts)doing the right thing to do all along. You would think if they were effective strategies we'd be much further along. On some fronts, we've been backsliding significantly. The high road has always been my preferred approach, but at some point you have to question its efficacy.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)is on fire and it is not 'smart' to do thing which will cost us the midterms.
0rganism
(23,934 posts)something's got to change or we wake up after another tragic night wondering what happened to our lovely Blue Wave.
appalachiablue
(41,113 posts)Cowards die a thousand deaths, my father always said.
0rganism
(23,934 posts)and that's Agent Orange's unlikely ascent to incredible power
thanks to that major change, the electoral problems we faced in 2016 are not only still present in 2018, they get reinforced every damn day. now when Trump holds one of his Nuremberg rallies he can call it "Presidential" and campaign all over the country (on the taxpayer's dime) for "Keeping America Great". what have we got going up against that? he's the POTUS, so networks treat every stupid turd that drops from his shit eating mouth like it came from a responsible public servant. and that is the bare minimum of the forces arrayed against us. this is a difficult position for Democrats, and one that is unlikely to change between now and November 2020, so something else has to give or we'll be in even deeper shit than we are now.
how's your father doing? healthy and unfoxified i hope. ALS took my father in 2011 and now i'm glad he died while Obama was still in office because this federal-level bullshit would have driven him 100% insane, no question.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What specifically?
We stop efforts on social justice?
We stop calling DT out when he is harming our country?
Someone waves a magic wand and state voter suppression laws suddenly disappear?
What?
0rganism
(23,934 posts)how about
1. the media ends their Herculean efforts at normalizing Agent Orange
2. Mueller drops a whole mess of indictments on the inner circle
3. someone waves a magic wand and Americans vote for rational government over base impulses
just for starters
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)We have no power so the idea that we try and do stuff that play right into the GOP hands like shutting down the government is foolish and the specials indicate a real opportunity in the house despite the gerrymander and maybe even the senate...however, the some of the most important elections are governors and legislators so we stop the gerrymander.
0rganism
(23,934 posts)i sincerely hope November 7 is everything you figure it will be, no changes needed.
it's not enough to win some house seats, we have to win well over 20, which seems less and less likely every passing week. we'll be very lucky indeed to hold ground in the senate. as you observed, state legislatures and governorships are very important too -- we need that to go extremely well, people are suffering under the state GOP yoke.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)I cannot place the poll as the indicator, over fact. How about if we continue to pay attention instead of deciding behavior up against a poll the might have value but likely has no value?
0rganism
(23,934 posts)the special elections so far point to a satisfying November. but i thought Hillary was going to be our next president, too.
and now Trump is in an even stronger position to distract and disrupt.
i'll just say i have serious concerns about the rising levels of obviously false propaganda being circulated in this country at this time. i expect the gaslighting to intensify throughout the summer. if/when Trump lands his much-ballyhoo'd summit with Kim, his presence will become even more ubiquitous than it is now.
and when the media focuses on Trump rather than the effects of his disastrous policies, he "wins".
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)address. Then move on to the next one. It makes it challenging when having to address all the many lies. But we see, people are willing to believe the most ridiculous ones, like Pizza gate.
It is a tough climate and Carrey only fed into it.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)he is experienced in how to exploit his megaphone, from years and years of selling his brand based on "name". Ever seen any of his properties without a big "TRUMP" sign?
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)What's kept him where he is are the complicit repubs who prop him and his message up.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)The Bush brothers notably did not even vote for tRump in the general. Now it seems 90% have fallen in line behind his big fat ass.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)They are sheep.
Cha
(297,034 posts)him the MegaPhone all the time.. they fucking helped normalize him.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)When we do speak up, we aren't given a platform or a voice media wise, or if we are it is rare. I am sick of seeing clips of Trump and his stupid ass declarations and they are allowed to stand with no rebuttal or challenge because the media is pushing a certain agenda. This has to stop. He must be allowed to be challenged publicly on everything he says.
betsuni
(25,447 posts)mentioned only for a few seconds, no story, just a written statement that they held a press conference. Maybe they did a story later, but if they did, I didn't see it. Evidently not worthy of "News"hour.
Cha
(297,034 posts)shows he hasn't been paying attention to him at all.
Liegate: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on Spygate claim
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
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"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of executive time to watch television."
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R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Carrey obviously doesnt know much about how effective Schiff is. He handed James Rogan of the Clinton impeachment posse a huge loss by being his incisive, intelligent self. He is devastatingly effective. I would not want to be up against him.
Cha
(297,034 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Scruffy1
(3,254 posts)Extraordinary times call for extraordinary tactics.
Cha
(297,034 posts)call for Carrey to LIE his damn ass off about Adam Schiff. I'm sure he's got trump smiling like he just ate shite.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
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"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of executive time to watch television."
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Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)were saying the same thing as the OP.
Your quote..
5. I have been recently criticized on other DU threads for saying the same.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)It seems like a common problem.
Cha
(297,034 posts)to be depicted as "castrated".
Shame on you all for lapping this up.
monmouth4
(9,691 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)mcar
(42,294 posts)No, scratch that, I can. Seems some "progressives" are happier slamming Democrats with false criticisms than in fighting the Nazis in the White House and Congress.
Cha
(297,034 posts)is horribly Disrespecting all the Excellent work he has done for us.
It is incredible to me that so many who have seen what he has done are jumping on Jim Carry's "Castration" band wagon.
mcar
(42,294 posts)Not to mention stupid.
Cha
(297,034 posts)https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
I like Carrey but that doesn't mean I have to abide by this stupidity.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)fighting this cancer in the White House. We just want to see our side win and we see this as constructive criticism, not "slamming".
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Supporting a thread that shows Schiff castrated is not.
Sorry smirky, this is just not right.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Democrats have no power to 'fight' (thanks to the parties are same fools)and the suggestions on this thread would only help Republicans win yet again.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)become what we claim to despise. This is highly insulting to Adam Schiff, and Democrats alike. In case Jim Carrey hasn't noticed, we don't control Congress or the m$m for that matter.
Cha
(297,034 posts)our front lines, Tarheel. "Castrated"? Really, Carrey?
Liegate: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on Spygate claim
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
Tarheel
sprinkleeninow
(20,235 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)it was the left left (Green slime) who did it so they should shut the fuck up. Now Carrey did support Hillary but I am still pissed at this unfair attack...and those who support it should be ashamed in my opinion.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)marble falls
(57,063 posts)Thrill
(19,178 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)"castrated". There's honest alarms and there's false alarms.
Liegate: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on Spygate claim
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)a celebrity lead us around by the nose?
Cha
(297,034 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)"castrated".. Shame on Carrey and everyone here who agrees with this shite.
wryter2000
(46,027 posts)I'm sorry I had to see it here.
Owl
(3,641 posts)K&R
oasis
(49,365 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)oasis
(49,365 posts)persistence in wrestling with both the Trump Administration and the Ryan/Nunes GOP obfuscation apparatus.
wryter2000
(46,027 posts)Why let reality get in the way of a really good rant?
oasis
(49,365 posts)object of ridicule. His characterization of the congressman revealed his lack of respect in the most classless way.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)TomCADem
(17,387 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)better off taking better care of his girlfriends.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)His picture is a piece of shit. Trump must love it.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)Jim Carrey
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If u believe wrestling is real u may even believe Fox news, Info Wars and the robotic drones on Sinclair Broadcasting. But wrestling doesnt harm viewers. Performers like Sean Hannity and Alex Jones should join the WWE where their hyperbole will do less damage to the culture.
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And lets not kid ourselves... rotting donkeys stink too. @DNC
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Elephants take a long time to decompose... and the stench can be unbearable. @GOP
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50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)Respect and watch take on Republicans on a regular basis, can go fuck himself. I can't believe Carrey, an actor with a shady history with women who just recently started going after Repugs with cartoon illustrations, is now taking precedence over Adam Schiff, a very hardworking Democrat who is trying his best to stop Nunes on the ground and who I see on MSNBC and CNN all the time. Schiff is walking the walk and talking the talk. Carrey is just tweeting cartoons.
Cha
(297,034 posts)Shades is right.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210663400
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Love the monster you helped create.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)wryter2000
(46,027 posts)I've been trying to find a way to describe his "acting." Jerry Lewis was a no-talent, too, AFAIC.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)But I realize most people would have to google that name.
wryter2000
(46,027 posts)Stick with Jerry Lewis.
demmiblue
(36,834 posts)I don't get it.
I think I will ignore Carrey until he comes to his senses (or maybe not).
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Read it again.
It's not JUST about speaking up -- it's about speaking up with passion and anger. Our great leaders need to show some passion, and some anger.
demmiblue
(36,834 posts)Sure, some could kick it up a notch, but Schiff is working his strengths (intelligence and knowledge). He has consistently done a great job in taking down the GOP.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Needs to be a LOT louder; all of them do.
You're free to think everything's just hunky dory, but I know that there's not nearly enough Democratic outrage happening, and it needs to happen a LOT, and LOUD so that the MSM picks it up and we start countering Trump lies a lot more effectively than we're doing at the moment.
demmiblue
(36,834 posts)WTF, dude... did I say that?!
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Should Dems go on TV stomp their feet and yell at the camera?
Thing is, that will not work. In fact, that has a tendency to backfire. We do not need a Dem to be in a repub ad with them pointing to it and saying "look at how much they hate our president".
We need reasoned people who will make their case logically and with a level head. Getting all outraged, hot under the collar and all that isn't going to get us far. It might help a little, but the backfire could be a lot worse.
Oh, and keep in mind that tRump still sucks all the oxygen out of the room and the media trips over themselves to cover it.
The only way for any of this to change is that Dems have to win in November. The repubs run it all right now.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Enough to suck a little of that oxygen.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)I am scared everyone is assuming an easy takeover for Dems in Nov.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Seriously? You think saying Democrats suck is going to encourage us to turn out or something?
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)chances...we need to run on the ACA and local issues.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Big Stick ideology, Big Stick diplomacy, or Big Stick policy refers to U.S. President Theodore Roosevelts foreign policy: "speak softly, and carry a big stick." Roosevelt described his style of foreign policy as "the exercise of intelligent forethought and of decisive action sufficiently far in advance of any likely crisis".
Big Stick ideology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)get ignored by the media
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Rant. Rave. Tweet. Champaign 24/7. Scream. Ridicule. All with spittle flying and tearing the opposing party to pieces without a shred of evidence. Alrighty then.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)High emotions = less thinking. (As we see so often.)
Schiff doesn't deserve this kind of bullshit attack and smearing.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Same thing was said about Obama. He did not deserve them either.
Cha
(297,034 posts)like they don't have a gd clue what he's done for us.. out on the front lines.
Liegate: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on Spygate claim
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
Link to tweet
"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of executive time to watch television."
Link to tweet
Excellent point, she!
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)you can think of some options between the two extremes. If not, I'm sure I can't help you.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I agree, we need to be louder, meaner and more aggressive. There are a number of Democratic politicians who are speaking up, but not nearly enough and not nearly with the outrage that our current situation requires. I support all of them, I just want them to be more fierce because this is really a matter of life and death for some people.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)Last edited Sat May 26, 2018, 10:00 PM - Edit history (1)
Its facts and logic.
My cerebellum and prefrontal cortex have more of a sway on me than my medulla oblongata.
Cha
(297,034 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)What I'm talking about is this:
59% of Americans don't think the Mueller team has found any crimes.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/389039-poll-majority-of-americans-dont-know-that-mueller-probe-has
Trump lies daily, hourly and there's not enough pushback on his lies. They include lies about Democrats (such as Dems are responsible for the whole Mueller thing).
Trump is literally eviscerating our government, and few people know. Few people HERE know the extent to which it's being hollowed out.
And so much more.
The Democrats MUST find a way to communicate much more of this to the public, and it'll have to be done via the media. That means they have to get media attention. I don't have any CRITICISM of what Dems have done so far, except that they need to do MORE and LOUDER. They HAVE to get more media attention, so they can educate the public more. They have to. It's not an option if we're to save our democracy.
What I'd like to see is something like a weekly NOISY standard press conference in which Schumer and Pelosi (and any others they may appoint) get before before the microphone, and make enough noise that they get COVERED so it appears in print headlines, online news outlet headlines and especially broadcast media coverage too.
Think of this: how many things does Trump do every damned day that if Obama had done it, the Repubs would be screaming bloody murder, relentlessly and endlessly, to get massive press coverage. I'd like to see just a little of that from our side. It's far more justified than ever on the GOP side, but we do none. It's time to do some.
I'm telling you, it's absolutely necessary that we get more coverage on what's going wrong with this administration. Absolutely necessary.
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)83. It's not "anger" and "passion" that persuades me
Its facts and logic.
My cerebellum and prefrontal cortex have more of a sway on me than my medulla oblongata.
Thanks
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Personally, I prefer my politicians to be calm and steady... without unnecessary drama and showboating.
I trust our politicians who offer a smart, planned and calculated approach MUCH more than fist pumping hyper-emotional "anger".
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Read my other replies. I'm not going to repeat myself.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the meaning is already clear. I'm smarter than many give me credit for.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)mischaracterization of what I said.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)go on the attack against this outrage that is happening in this country. I am not bashing Democrats, I just want them to wake up and fight with more FIRE because the republicans right now are controlling the message and we need to be out there in force fighting against them. It does us no good to think that we can't improve on our message. We can and we need to.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)just don't get it -- some of them, I truly believe -- simply refuse. Some prefer to be oppositional "just because." And at least one person I know of is simply so hysterical about our current situation (I can identify!) that he's afraid that saying anything bad will somehow doom us all. Or cause Dems not to get elected in November.
Shrug.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)I am truly mystified at your meaning and your reference.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)as "castrated"?
Just a sample..
Liegate: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on Spygate claim
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
I like Carrey but this is totally wrong.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Democrats pushing back...no amount of our words can stop Trump we were kneecapped by 'the party are the same asshats" like it seems Jim Carrey as well as the usual suspects... and we don't have enough power to stop much...our people have done well and the specials are going well...so I say people like Jim Carrey should just stop. Elections have consequences and when you lose as we did in 16, you get nothing.
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)drray23
(7,627 posts)He is one of the most vocals. Not only that, he probably saved our democracy several times over already. If it was not for him, Nunes and his goons would already have derailed the Mueller investigation.
still_one
(92,115 posts)Carry is coming from
Not only that, does Mr. Carry realize that the republicans control both houses in Congress?
Except for maybe a few Democrats who I can count on a single hand, the vast majority of Democrats in Congress DO speak out against trump, and the draconian poliicies they are pushing
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,515 posts)Maybe you could step back again and refocus, try to see the larger picture.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Thats a sick attack on our most hardworking Dem. WTF!
Cha
(297,034 posts)Adam Schiff "castrated". Like he's not really paying attention to what his going on. Just trying for fake shock value.
Liegate: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on Spygate claim
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)He is NOT wrong. MAKE SOME FUCKING NOISE. OUR COUNTRY IS AT STAKE.
Cha
(297,034 posts)he's fucking sickeningly WRONG.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)But if it's all noise it's just fodder for the rw. It's about content and consistency and perseverance, that's what counts. Ok, we do need PR but not just political noise. It's the public that needs to make the noise, our leaders need to make the point.
Cary
(11,746 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)Takket
(21,550 posts)This post by Carrey is just silly. Schiff is the last person to be criticizing. He should be criticizing the media that gives drumpf a never-ending platform and almost no rebuttal time to the left.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,315 posts)Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)Jim Carrey
Verified account
@JimCarrey
May 22
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Every morning Trump makes special breakfast sandwiches for House Republicans. Devin Nunes eagerly finishes first and always asks for seconds!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,315 posts)wryter2000
(46,027 posts)I won't be looking at any more of his "art" here if I can avoid it, and I feel like I need to take a shower after seeing this.
Cha
(297,034 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)get their asses in gear and SHOW people that we still exist and are not taking this shit lying down. The "liberal media" is still doing the same high ratings "distraction" BS and they jump from one story/scandal to another. Ask follow up questions, put some fight into it! Dems look like they have been beaten down and it is really depressing. No wonder the moron's poll numbers are rising. So is my blood pressure (not really).
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)whole it looks like Democrats are taking this shit lying down. We need to beat Trump at his own game. We need to take a page from Michael Avanatti's playbook. Sure, he's not a politician, but he's getting noticed and getting under their skin. He is looking like someone who is determined to win.
BigmanPigman
(51,582 posts)That Parkland High School student David Hogg and Anenatti need to teach the Dems a thing or two about PR!
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,831 posts)...different approach. He speaks up, consistently, authoritatively, and bravely, but he always looks like the adult in the room.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)picture of Adam Schiff can fuck the fuck off.
No way does Adam Schiff deserve to depicted as castrated. Shame on everyone who agrees with him.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)is on the Big Island and we're on Kauai.
I hope Pele starts simmering down so the Big Islanders can get some Peace and Quiet.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)What a strain it must be, him in his air-conditioned studio, dabbing paint on a canvas, then there's Rep. Schiff, calling out Nunes and his cohorts every which way he can. But hey, what does Schiff know, big man, movie star Carey, thinks he's not doing enough. How about putting your money and feet where your mouth is Big Jim.
Cha
(297,034 posts)is deplorably Disrespecting all the excellent work on the front lines that he has done for us.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Disgusting.
Cha
(297,034 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,351 posts)Great fodder for my ignore list either way.
Cha
(297,034 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210663400
As someone posted.. imagine if he weren't "castrated". I was posting this tweet of Adam's last night on this thread.. really appreciate seeing this today.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,013 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)to depict him as "castrated".
He is fighting the good fight.
RandySF
(58,693 posts)Oneironaut
(5,491 posts)voice against Trump, but where is the rest of the party? It seems like they're all hiding.
cutroot
(875 posts)90 million eligible voters did not bother to vote. Adam Schiff does not hold the reins. The problem stems from the unknown non voters. If Jim Carrey manages to piss them off enough to vote, then I will abide his methodology.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)He's not wrong, but it's really tough for a minority party to feel their oats.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)Chosen since he's been the main voice for the Democrats I'm assuming?
Cha
(297,034 posts)he couldn't be more wrong.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)deplorably disrespecting all the excellent work Adam Schiff as done for us.
It's like Carrey's not paying any attention to what he's doing.
blugbox
(951 posts)Carey clearly hates trump and everything he stands for. This is supposed to be taken as a harsh call to action...
Is he saying Dems should give up? Hell no!
Is the picture obscene? Does it make you angry? That's the point! He says himself get mad! Make some fucking noise! Direct that passion at trump!
If prominent Democrats start making noise like Carey is suggesting, the media would be all over it, because that in and of itself is news!
Just because you may not agree with his approach, for the love of the country DON'T turn your back on an ally
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I wish more people could understand that. Constructive criticism is not meant to be an attack, the point of it is to make us better and we all know we can be better at fighting the republican narrative.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)herr drumpf likes to do that, even if it's via Twitter. The last thing that Schiff needs to do is adopt any Trumpian behavior. herr drumpf and cohorts are all about their big swinging dicks. We shouldn't be emulating their arrogance.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)Nothing wrong with speaking up. The opposition wants us quiet. When Bush "won" we quietly folded under the "sore loserman" onslaught. We barely said a peep when the GOP denied Obama the supreme court pick. OMG!!! How much more will be take? The orange man is dismantling the country.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)It really does not film well.
George II
(67,782 posts)...against the republicans for the last year or more?
Knowing what Schiff has been doing, that "cartoon" is offensive.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Clearly, all they want is for him to be entertaining with shouting and stomping and overwrought hand-wringing.
But I wonder: What exactly would that accomplish?
Personally, I prefer my politicians to be calm and steady... without unnecessary drama and showboating.
I trust our politicians who offer a smart, planned and calculated approach MUCH more than fist pumping hyper-emotional "anger".
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)I trust our politicians who offer a smart, planned and calculated approach MUCH more than fist pumping hyper-emotional "anger".
Next thing you know they will ask Mueller to do the same.
Fact is, slow and steady wins the race.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)One can look at Sanders rallies in the past that did not show up in the vote.
PatrickforO
(14,569 posts)I'm with you 1000'%.
Treason every other word.
Massive civil disobedience.
Massive contacts with US Congresspeople.
Let's make some fucking noise!!!
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)to bits. And Ive thought about printing out his art many times and plastering it on my walls. But hes wrong here. The reason I love Adam Schiff is because hes even keeled, calm as a cucumber...grace under fire. This is also how I like my presidents to be. And my dem politicians. Last think we want are people in our party on the level of wingnuts like Nunes, and his band of freedom caucus brothers.
You dont have to get angry to get your point across. Level headed people prevail.
jalan48
(13,853 posts)yeah-it's time to make some noise.
Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)What a disgusting tweet.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Freethinker65
(10,008 posts)Not necessarily agree with, but understand the frustration.
Castrating Schiff, one of few vocal Democrats making headlines in the media fighting for this country and its constitution, is off target and not especially helpful. We need more Democrats willing to speak out and go on record and camera like Schiff.
Also, the same satirical cartoon could be made of any GOP male unwilling to stand up to Trump.
It is also nothing new, and in fact kind of lazy, to attack men's perceived lack of strengths and abilities by attacking their sexual prowess.
Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #116)
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rso
(2,271 posts)I agree that the drawing of Schiff is over the top, but I also agree with Jims point. Prominent democrats need to start tweeting nicknames for Trump, Don the Con is a good one for starters. The media will definitely pay attention to that, which will cause 45 to react. It is in democrats advantage to keep a back and forth with 45, as it will distract him to no end and his anger is likely to cause him to obsess on the nicknames. This way, he is far more likely to disregard areas where he can do real damage, cause him to probably overreact, and most importantly, get media attention for democrats.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)Sunsky
(1,737 posts)That Democrats need to be stronger. We are in unprecedented times, the same ole same ole, won't work. Everyone I talk to ask- why aren't the Democrats tougher? Why aren't we hearing anything from the our elected officials? My mom called the office of our Senator Nelson, because she is afraid that our machines may be compromised. She received a very dismissive response. She will vote for him but is she enthused, NO.
I believe we are in the gutter/ swamp/ trenches and we have to fight our way out. I like the Avenatti way. I love Maxine Waters, I wish more of our elected officials were like her. Look at what happened to Sen. Franken. Our party needs to wake up and realize we have the mob in the Whitehouse, we have a Russian agent in the Whitehouse. Our democracy is under siege. Nice speeches won't work.
The words are Jim's not mine, so no I don't agree with every single word but I get his frustration. We all have our opinions and this is mine.
Cha
(297,034 posts)mcar
(42,294 posts)I cannot believe the positive responses to this on this thread.
Adam Schiff is out there fighting every day. WTF is Carrey even talking about?
This is why Democrats lose - all this misplaced hate and purity politics.
DemoHack
(90 posts)He's one of the last Democrats that should be criticized for not going after Trump aggressively enough.
My $.02.
Cha
(297,034 posts)really paying attention.
DemoHack
(90 posts)Not a huge fan of this one though.
Well, I guess that's art.
Cha
(297,034 posts)telling the truth about trump and his doormats and stop flagrantly lying about Adam Schiff.
Excuse my long list.. want to make sure you saw it..
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Yeah, Schiff has been a consistent fighter. I don't know what more he could do. We have to win back the House, so he can be CHAIR of the House Intelligence Committee!
And ideally, Nunes gets Blue Wave'd...
Cha
(297,034 posts)Awesomely Epic.. nunes and other traitors getting "Blue Wave'd.."
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...the Dems don't have it in them.
In fact, I'm shocked this thread is not blocked.
Lunabell
(6,068 posts)Every last one needs to fight the fascist.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)Does any true progressive or Democrat think that Adam Schiff is a problem for Democrats? No.
When folks are pushing the same attacks as Trump, then you better take a close look. It happened in 2016.
Notice all the one line attacks on Democrats on DU in this thread. This is how it works.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)Lunabell
(6,068 posts)Im falling for Russian propaganda? Smh Get a grip. We don't all fall in lock step. We're all unique here.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)...admit that they are part of a propaganda campaign to undercut Democrats or do they insist that they are honest to goodness Amerikanskis?
Frankly, if a poster is repeating the same talking points as Trumps should they even be on this Board?
Lunabell
(6,068 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)But we cant hold any feet to the fire, can we? Gotta hold that polite, even, political line. Milquetoasts abound, and their defenders even more so. Easier to preach to the choir I suppose than light a fire in the belly.
BannonsLiver
(16,351 posts)That he picked Schiff says hes uninformed. Just another Surandon type.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)Exactly. They yell the loudest taking all the air in a room. Reason, fact, reality is not a part of the conversation. Yet, this is what he, and Sanders and the far left are demanding we participate in. How is that different from the right?
Me.
(35,454 posts)I guess all the grief Rep. Schiff gets from Comrade Trump isn't enough for you and you have to take your cheap shot.
Chickensoup
(650 posts)It shows how seriously in trouble
we are. This is not about democrats or
Republicans. This is about saving
Our country from barbaric attack from within and aided by a super power who has been our enemy for the last 70 yrs and continues to be. Many conflicting interests share one goal which is dislodging Americas from its position as the leader of democracy, freedom and the leading economic power in the world.
so they Pursue an unbelievable campaign of lies, fake news and personal attacks against those who stand in their way. This is a war no less vicious than a military conflict and far more dangerous as it touches and threatens to dismantle the very institutions our country is built on. All of that coupled with unprecedented and unchecked corruption by those in power makes for a perfect storm.
We need leadership strong enough to stand and pound the table with fierce political conviction. Leadership that does not bend in the wind of attacks, that does not shy away from doing what is right no mater how difficult in order to save our country for future generations.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)Beyond what they do now. It's not that we dont have leaders who speak out as much as the right wing media is too busy carrying the water for the fascist repubs.
emulatorloo
(44,101 posts)Looks like this is Carreys bullshit attempt at being fair and balanced so the Trumpys wont get so offended. Fine.
Doesnt mean DUers need to cheerlead this nonsense and smear Schiff.
BannonsLiver
(16,351 posts)emulatorloo
(44,101 posts)Link to tweet
Schiff has been balls out confronting since Day 1. We don't need another circus clown beating the drum or tv personality causing drama. @RepAdamSchiff is a statesman with grace which it seems people have long fucking forgotten. Make no mistake-he's fucking on top of this shitshow
Of course fucking DU has to be fucking DU and attack Schiff baselessly
Cha
(297,034 posts)MariaCSR
(642 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)This divisiveness help no one but the GOP. We don't need an anti-vaxxer lunatic like Carrey on our side.
onecent
(6,096 posts)The Dotard always blames us democrats anyway.
ecstatic
(32,677 posts)helps to normalize trump. If someone is calm and smiling when talking about the investigations, etc., then the viewer will feel relaxed and think nothing too bad is going on.
I fully understand the reflex defensiveness in response to sentiments like this-- I'm a staunch democrat, loyal, defensive, and do NOT like airing dirty laundry on public forums... But on this, I have to speak out because I'd rather we change course now than find ourselves at the losing end of another election.
The same people who are shouting down people like me and Jim Carrey for speaking about this are probably the same people who said trump would never be the GOP nominee, and then said that trump would never win the election. Now that the worst has happened, twice, maybe it's time to STFU and listen for a change?
Here's the problem, we have excellent, smart, hard working democrats working on our behalf. But it seems like our side is lacking when it comes to the POLITICAL aspect of the job. I know there's a balance and tradeoff with regard to brains/competence and political instincts. Very few can do both, and those who can are pretty much rockstars in our party.
JI7
(89,244 posts)He went after THE person who has most been going after trump and calling out the shit.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Pushing Democrats to show some passion when they're fighting these monsters is not the same wanting them to act like trump. Elizabeth Warren, for example, is passionate fighter for our cause. She's a total badass. She acts nothing like trump, shes just strong.
JI7
(89,244 posts)appealing.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)There are still a lot of potential Democratic Voters who still aren't voting, but would be motivated by a strong, passionate, clear progressive message. The robotic, calculated manner many Dems exude is not appealing to those unmotivated. Again, I am in no way saying that Democrats should act like the shitheads on the right. I'm saying they should deliver a clear, thought out message with passion. They should act as though they really care. Talk about these issues with the sense of urgency that should accompany them, lives depend on us!
JI7
(89,244 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
Link to tweet
"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of executive time to watch television."
Link to tweet
It's just fucking WRONG.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)to one of his babbling tweets. And sure, it may have been tasteless to suggest that the Congressman's genitals had been removed, but thats not the point.
Cha
(297,034 posts)this to other members. I posted this once to you. Feel free not to read my posts to others.
And, yes depicting Adam Schiff as "Castrated" is exactly the point.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)not Schiff's testicles are still attached to his body is not relevant to my point that Democrats should be more vocally passionate in their fight. Lives depend on them. As Keith Ellison so eloquently put it "We don't have the right to lose a damn election!"
Cha
(297,034 posts)fucking M$M gave the Dems more of a chance to speak.. but Carrey depicting Schiff like this is just Wrong.. and trump like.. using fucking hyperbolic LIES to describe Adam Schiff.
Link to tweet
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Schiff isn't here to entertain anyone with fits of rage, stomping, shouting, wagging his finger, flailing his arms, gesticulating wildly, having a temper tantrum and foaming at the mouth. We don't need our Democratic leaders to become some caricatured personification of someone's wild rage and uncontrolled anger fantasies.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)ecstatic
(32,677 posts)and not specifically in regard to Schiff. Schiff is who he is, and obviously it's unrealistic to ask someone to change personalities. But members who have aggressive, more dramatic personalities need to be out front right now. We need our own Avenatti. Americans are not aware of everything that's been uncovered as we head into the midterms. That's unacceptable.
Big segment about our push back against trump on AM Joy today, with Congresswoman Maxine Waters appearing to agree that we need to do more.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)betsuni
(25,447 posts)Are we incapable of listening unless someone's yelling?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It seems that way, doesn't it? Amazing how some want Schiff to entertain them with fits of rage, stomping, shouting, wagging his finger, flailing his arms, gesticulating wildly, having a temper tantrum and foaming at the mouth.
Personally, I trust intellect over raw emotion. We don't need our Democratic leaders to become some caricatured personification of someone's wild rage and uncontrolled anger fantasies.
I fail to understand why this type of bullshit is so gleefully celebrated. It really serves no good purpose to smear good Democrats and the Democratic party this way. It's divisive and it's the cause of distrust. It weakens the party. Weakening the party only benefits the GOP.
betsuni
(25,447 posts)Democrats would only get mocked, like the Howard Dean scream.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)betsuni
(25,447 posts)johnp3907
(3,730 posts)Proves your point!
betsuni
(25,447 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)shows but now I can imagine from your description.
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Would love to see a David and Goliath story here.
betsuni
(25,447 posts)Compared to shows from the UK, Australia/NZ, and Canada, that are actually about the food and people are nice, the American ones are obnoxiously centered on conflict and too much sexism.
Americans come off as big selfish angry babies who think they deserve anything they want just because they want it badly. It's all "I deserve to win this because I want it the most, I have the most passion," and "I didn't come here to make friends, I came to win." And they all have sob stories, even if the only sob story is that their elderly grandmother in Italy that they haven't seen for twenty years is dying -- they have to win in order to pay for the ticket over there to say goodbye! Or their mother died, they say, weeping. When did she die? Oh, fifteen yeas ago, but it's been hard for me! My cat died four years ago, I'm still devastated! And yet I watch this crap sometimes... Purely for anthropological reasons don't you know.
Cha
(297,034 posts)and the other countries.. I prefer it to be about Cooking and who has the best presentation.. and not about who can show how angry they are or how badly they want it.
Adam Schiff is brilliant and is getting the job done.. you can't change someone because Loud And Angry isn't their style.
Depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated" is Deplorably Dissing all the Excellent work he's done for us.. I cannot believe how many have REC this thread that think it's okay to say Adam Schiff is essentially "castrated".
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Thank you to all our neighbors.
Mr. Carrey, wish you were my son. I agree.
Stand UP America or shut the "F" up worthless politicians and let US show you the way.
Cha
(297,034 posts)https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
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50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)Carrey's own unbelievably childish, Trump-like, and vindictive attack on Adam Schiff, a man who totally doesn't deserve it, pisses me off so much when I've watched so many of his interviews, followed his efforts to try to get between Nunes and his latest target, and read so many of his Tweets. The last place is would expect to see an attack on a Trump-fighting Democrat like Rep. Schiff just because he uses his intelligence, experience, and reason instead of counter-productively emulating Trump is DU. But I was wrong. I guess there are more Trump admirers here than I thought.
Cha
(297,034 posts)is trumpian in it's nasty hyperbolic stupidity. trump is the one who is "castrated" by those who rigged him into office.
Mahalo for relating all the experiences you've had watching Adam Schiff in Action!
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)Carrey's cartoon. Btw, he and Carrey have more than attacking Rep. Schiff in common; they're both anti-vaxxers.
Cha
(297,034 posts)be interested in..
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Yes, I'm sure trump is gloating over Carrey's depiction of Adam Schiff.
Didn't know trump was an anti-vaxer.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)I guess it's more accurate to say Trump believes vaccinations cause autism.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I have not changed my position. Congress should work for US, not in the interests of party, themselves or for profit. I am not saying the Honorable Mr. Schiff is in this category, just firing a warning shot.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Time to turn our nasty knob to 11.
Republicans are cockroaches and murderers. Don't anthropomorphize them.
Cha
(297,034 posts)https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/
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"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of executive time to watch television."
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50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)He turned to the knob to nasty on a Trump-fighting Democrat. He gave a gift to Republicans with this unwarranted attack on a relentless Trump foe.
mountain grammy
(26,608 posts)I don't believe Schiff deserves this. He speaks out almost daily, it's just his personality to speak in a quiet and repectful manner. We had a firebrand in Franken, but he's gone, and sorry guys, I'm still a little mad at Dems for that.
I'd love to see a Democrat out there raising hell, but it must be in their nature to do it. Warren is doing it, Booker is too. Schiff is good and unwavering in his criticism of the asshole in chief, but he won't be yelling, Jim, and that's ok too. The man is working his butt off.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)E. Warren has been speaking up longer than just about anyone... about a system rigged for the wealthy.
Cha
(297,034 posts)now some Dems are agreeing that he's been "castrated" which is a flagrant lie.
I hope Adam Schiff never has to see that shit.
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Cha
(297,034 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)I am so sick of this shit on here.
Cha
(297,034 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)When the majority of the posts are anti Democrats, it defeats the purpose of what this place used to be. I prefer bashing the fascist republicans than tearing down the side that actually is on the right side of what is good about this country. I guess i need to keep adding to my ignore list.
Cha
(297,034 posts)Democratic Party and Adam Schiff love you coming here.. a breath of Fresh Air!
Believe me..if it wasn't for people like you I wouldn't come back
Cha
(297,034 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)I think Democrats to the win in 2018.
mahina
(17,637 posts)We should take this opportunity to stand up for campaign finance revolution, true.
Schiff is fighting hard. It's easy to throw mud. Not so easy to do the work.
If Schiff thought throwing a fit would work, I'm sure he'd do it every day.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)The guy is a former prosecutor and a professional with dignity and decorum.
He fucking came up with LIEGATE....which I've been faithfully using. Did Jim help hashtag that around.??????
The paint fumes went to his head on this one.
Cha
(297,034 posts)Mahalo, KL
Cha
(297,034 posts)No wonder Fucking trump tries to denigrate Schiff.. didn't think I would see Dems doing the same.
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KG
(28,751 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)Against Schiff. A classic attack on a Trump fighting Democrat. It's truly a shameful moment. I'm disgusted that I saw it here of all places.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,958 posts)they have it coming! Adam Schiff does NOT!
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)"castrated". REALLY!!!!
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Cha
(297,034 posts)them all the way.. just like now.
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Carrey is Wrong to draw Rep Adam Schiff as castrated.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)He is lying.
They give him airtime to spew his bs.
They ask " was trump being spied on" instead of saying"trump is lying about being spied on".
nini
(16,672 posts)nah.. they don't give our side the time to really say what's going on. Just their light dusting of what is going on. Most Americans have no real idea how bad this is because they don't get to hear the hardcore truth in the MSM.
JI7
(89,244 posts)Benghazi and other bs .
Other Democrats would not out up with real corruption of pruitt , Russia etc the way republicans do.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)But it's not his fault so many white people are more angry ay black people silently protesting abuse while defending trump trash corruption.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)McConnell is selecting young nutty bigotted judges for lifetime posts at a record pace. Trump is dismantling civil rights.
we aren't tough on crap!! Sorry that people who like Schiff got their feelings hurt. Maybe Carrey went overboard, he probably did it in a moment of frustration.
Let's check back in November...if the GOP still hold everything, it's over for America. Trump will accelerate his dismantling of America.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)And still she won by three million. All the way down to possible flipped votes to win states to get Electoral win.
For two years, the Democratic Party has worked head on to stop the damages they can step in front of.
They are systemically working wins across the nation in a focused manner with one goal to take back the house and possibly senate.
Serious stuff.
And then you state they do nothing.
This does not make sense. You are not paying attention.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)stated "they do nothing". "Aren't tough on crap" is not the same as doing nothing.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)Democratic Leaders will not address this crap. I can pretty much guarantee it. Nor should they. They almost never wade into crap.
GoCubsGo
(32,078 posts)What the hell is this clown talking about??? Adam Schiff has been all over the place making "some f'ing noise." So have Maxine Waters and others. Does he realize that the only way the Trump's ass-kissing media will recognize them is if they actually dropped their pants in public,or committed some other outrageous act? And, what the hell does Carrey think the media whores would do to them if THAT happened??? What universe does he live in?
samnsara
(17,615 posts)and whats with 'beyond the pale'...or is it pail..? what does it mean and why? Cant we just yell at them and use the f bomb once inna while? Ppl yelled at me cuz I liked how Alan Greyson lit into the Repugs and Anthony the weenier man did as well! As did Al Franken.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)Hekate
(90,618 posts)Carrey can go to hell for that.
jmowreader
(50,546 posts)Hes up to his unfunny eyeballs in Jenny McCarthys antivax crap. Lately hes changed to Im not antivax Im antimercury which is strange considering thimerosal isnt bioavailable and its not in single-dose vaccine vials.
So...now hes attacking Democrats who are going after Trump. Cry me a river, Carrey.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)I recently saw Sen. Markey discussing Trump's North Korean diplotainment. It was about as inspiring as a bag of wet kleenex.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,401 posts)Wrong Democrat
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)claiming to be on our side. From within. I really appreciate so much conversation walking thru this message being sent out to gas light the base of the Democratic Party. For the next couple years, we are going to have to constantly address this because it is the weapon of choice, now. We learned from 2016. Right?
northremembers
(63 posts)I'm not even sure where to start. When I look at the other posts in this thread, along with many other threads I hear the same things: "We need more money", "We need to redraw the districts", "We need to get rid of the electoral college". Democrats have been losing ground for decades. Before Russian influence, before Twitter, before even Fox. Democrats started losing ground when we controlled the ability to draw the congressional districts. We don't need to change the rules to win elections and we should be mindful of the message we send to mainstream voters by repeating that message.
We lose because the general public feels disconnected from us on a fundamental ideological level. Most voters don't even know what we stand for, just what we are against. How many posts in this thread, including Jim Carrey's, are about "Beat Trump"? There is coverage of #metoo resulting in a wave of women running for office. Most of the message in that coverage is about women out for revenge for poor treatment in the workplace. It turns out many of these women have great ideas about how to improve their communities and our country, but those ideas are lost in the overall message of anger.
Liberalism and conservatism function on different dynamics. Anger is a conservative dynamic because it is destructive and divisive. Conservatism needs us divided to be successful. Liberalism needs cooperation to be successful. Anger cannot produce cooperation. Our heroes are not anarchists. They are leaders who inspire us.
Inspiration is our dynamic. How are we going to move our communities and country forward? How can we solve problems we have in common together? Negative campaigning helps conservatives, but not liberals. it's not so much that we have to follow a higher standard, but a positive standard.
So, who is running in this election, at any level, that inspires us?
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)2000, 2004, 2016. Losses for the Democratic Party, with the Popular vote, with unprecedented interference from court, local manipulation and suppression of votes, citizens untied.
They are doing this for a reason. They would lose otherwise. We are not losing the nation, the republicans have to be dishonest to win.
I think it needs to be clear as a nation, we go blue.
northremembers
(63 posts)The Republicans have controlled congress for 18 of the last 22 years. Most states have had Republican governors for the same amount of time. Most states have Republican legislatures. Again, all this goes back to before all the media schemes we complain about existed.
You're right about the popular vote. People in cities are less willing to be divided by what Republicans throw at us, but they aren't immune. Trump won in districts and states traditionally considered blue. We (Democrats) play into the divisiveness. Our base is a coalition of different demographics. One of the fundamental ways Democrats fail is by not maintaining a platform and ideology that presents our diversity a common set of objectives.
We are all in this together. Including the white, Christian, males. We can't communicate that with a campaign slogan. We have to say it with our platform and policies. Many Democratic politicians throw out policies on the campaign trail just to attract certain voter demographics. It's very easy for Republicans to take those policies to mainstream voters and say "See, the Democrats are out to get you".
By focusing on how we want to improve our communities for everyone we give mainstream voters something they want to be a part of. It takes more effort, and time, to set up. Without it our country will continue to be divided.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)Yes. what inspires us to vote Democratic... I can say - fear of what republicans and their phony ideals.
VOX
(22,976 posts)As a career-balancing move, he probably figured he should direct some fire at Democrats, so he can say, Hey, Im an equal opportunity satirist see, I drew a nutless Adam Schiff.
However, Schiff is worth a 1,000,000 Jim Carreys.
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)Until he changes his positions he can go f*** himself.
honest.abe
(8,650 posts)stmac
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Im pretty damn sure which side Jim is on and I fully support his cartoon. No amount of bullying or repetition is going to change that. The posts implying hes a Russian operative are laughable.
We are living in unprecedented times, being perilously close to Fascism, Preemptive nuclear war, surrendering our institutions to foreign enemies, turning back civil and racial progress by decades. This will take generations to repair!!!
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)samir.g
(835 posts)Good to know that Carey thinks women and trans people are less important than men with dicks.
doc03
(35,321 posts)say anything is Eric Swalwell and Adam Schiff. Where is lets not talk impeachment Pollsi?
honest.abe
(8,650 posts)He specifically called out Adam Shiff.. which is absurd.
doc03
(35,321 posts)we have the most corrupt Benedict Arnold presidency in history and our side lets them control
the media. Our chances of taking the House have apparently evaporated. They are winning! How can that be possible?
We had what a 12 point or so advantage a couple months ago and now it's down to 2 or 3 points! Where are the other 47 Senators
and the rest of the House? Where the hell is Polosi? One of the few Senators that says anything is Manchin and he backs Trump on most things.
tavernier
(12,374 posts)Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)tavernier
(12,374 posts)Not cool, JC.
budkin
(6,699 posts)What the F is wrong with these people?