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Demovictory9

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Sat May 26, 2018, 05:09 PM May 2018

Jim Carrey tears in to dems

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A word to the castrato Adam Schiff and other Democrats: If you can’t win a PR war against this mobbed up, dirty, rotten Cheeto, then you need to get out of politics. Get mad, Goddamnit! Show some passion! We’ve had it with your calm, reasonable manner! MAKE SOME F'ING NOISE!!!


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Jim Carrey tears in to dems (Original Post) Demovictory9 May 2018 OP
Jim, I hear ya and thank you. saidsimplesimon May 2018 #1
Thanks for nothing...he should join the Republican party. Demsrule86 May 2018 #284
So your stance is the Dems are tough enough on trump??? nt USALiberal May 2018 #322
Yes. Who else is fighting him? shenmue May 2018 #403
Ya know, he could be on to something.... TheCowsCameHome May 2018 #2
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #3
Simple answer................ quartz007 May 2018 #34
I get it. But I think it can change. smirkymonkey May 2018 #73
On what to you base that broad, sweeping proclamation? That's about as offensive as the OP cartoon. George II May 2018 #128
Not hard, Google donor lists! quartz007 May 2018 #150
Better yet, google "FEC Regulations", you may be surprised. George II May 2018 #153
Even easier - just go to OpenSecrets ehrnst May 2018 #382
Even better!!! quartz007 May 2018 #383
I agree that it's better, lapucelle May 2018 #393
"Oh, the humanity!" George II May 2018 #394
Yeah, you're dissing our Democratic Party saying they're Cha May 2018 #147
Never said that! quartz007 May 2018 #152
But you're wrong..."big" donors can't contribute to so-called "career politicians", and..... George II May 2018 #156
10,000,000.? sunRISEnow May 2018 #157
Shhhhh.... George II May 2018 #160
What are the donation limits on "Pacs"? quartz007 May 2018 #162
Same as individuals, $2700. George II May 2018 #166
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst May 2018 #294
Nice try. former9thward May 2018 #395
That's "almost" true. PACs don't make "independent" contributions, SUPER PACs do. PACs... George II May 2018 #396
This says different???? quartz007 May 2018 #410
I read my original chart wrong, PACs can contribute up to $5000. George II May 2018 #411
I want a unicorn... with United which was inflicted on us by Nader and his Green slime, we can't Demsrule86 May 2018 #282
Good! Because they are for the Cha May 2018 #176
He needs the financial support and backing of the Democratic establishment to run. ehrnst May 2018 #278
I use "donors" loosely, not in strictest legal terms quartz007 May 2018 #369
Corporate contributions are prohibited. No ifs, ands, or buts. George II May 2018 #384
What? I thought court said corporations are people?? quartz007 May 2018 #388
Read the FEC Regulations, Federal Campaign Finance Laws, and the Citizens United Decision. George II May 2018 #392
Too busy playing golf, sorry no time for that! quartz007 May 2018 #409
How can I summarize something that I don't believe happens? Since you're the one.... George II May 2018 #412
Top contributors to Trump 2016 campaign quartz007 May 2018 #415
Read the disclaimers at the bottom of the page. There are similar lists.... George II May 2018 #416
Actually, "donors" is a very specific term, legally speaking, when it ehrnst May 2018 #385
Correct, I don't have to use a "Legal" term quartz007 May 2018 #391
Bernie is a career politician, and has benefitted from SuperPac support. ehrnst May 2018 #297
Yes He Has...Here's A Sample Me. May 2018 #355
That is some big $$$, (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #381
And Didn't Weaver Form Some Kind Of PAC Me. May 2018 #386
Here's What I Was Thinking About Me. May 2018 #390
Yep.(nt) ehrnst May 2018 #397
Amazing ain't it. fleabiscuit May 2018 #238
Yeah, all the RECS for Carrey depicting Adam Schiff as being Cha May 2018 #243
Not dissing Adam, saidsimplesimon May 2018 #254
Rah Rah a drawing of Adam Schiff "castrated" is Cha May 2018 #256
OK, Cha saidsimplesimon May 2018 #259
ITA and I'm stunned this vicious attack on a dedicated Trump-fighting Dem 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #298
I know it's surreal, 50 Shades. Jim Carrey Cha May 2018 #301
It is frustrating. Jim Carrey wants what we want, he may have gone the wrong way Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #377
Hell would freeze over before I would rec this sorry post. Adam has done great work and Jim is Demsrule86 May 2018 #285
Thanks Demsrule... one thing Cha May 2018 #295
Right. Adam Schaffer is a treasure onlyadream May 2018 #304
Mahalo, onlyadream.. yes, Carrey is venting on the Wrong person.. Cha May 2018 #305
Me too...it is surreal. Demsrule86 May 2018 #307
It is so much easier to attack Democrats and you get so much more publicity too. Demsrule86 May 2018 #308
Thank you Cha...I really appreciate the information. Demsrule86 May 2018 #306
You're Cha May 2018 #309
I really love your posts Cha and you! Demsrule86 May 2018 #315
Gee Thanks, Demsrule! Cha May 2018 #316
Thank you also! Demsrule86 May 2018 #402
Large donations - like $1 million in ads from SuperPacs like National Nurses United? ehrnst May 2018 #283
I'm not flaming, smirky .. just saying that I do Not Cha May 2018 #80
Agree TheRealNorth May 2018 #90
Mahalo, TheRealNorth! Yes, it was Adam Schiff who Cha May 2018 #93
No, he is one of the best ones. I agree. smirkymonkey May 2018 #117
Agree, smirky.. Cha May 2018 #159
Schiff is really the only one who is speaking at all. kacekwl May 2018 #144
I miss Harry! Cha May 2018 #161
This is simply not true mcar May 2018 #168
Mahalo, mcar! Cha May 2018 #169
So tired of this, Cha mcar May 2018 #200
Yeah, "applauding" Adam Schiff "Castrated" when Cha May 2018 #207
No he's not, MANY members of the House and Senate have been speaking out. George II May 2018 #172
Al Franken knew how to get loud NickB79 May 2018 #225
I am sick of hearing about Franken. Maybe he should have stayed and fought for his seat. Demsrule86 May 2018 #286
Right. To say he is the one that stands up, yet easily walking away from position suggest otherwise. sunRISEnow May 2018 #335
I expect his feelings were hurt or he just had enough...but there is no reason to continue worrying Demsrule86 May 2018 #401
You're right Pensfan8771 May 2018 #129
You are calling for the Democrats to shut down this government to make a point? sheshe2 May 2018 #220
That works so well for Republicans, doesn't it? ehrnst May 2018 #279
It won't work. If you notice as the midterms approached they made a deal so as not to shut down the Demsrule86 May 2018 #287
Gotta disagree with Jim on this... cynatnite May 2018 #4
one does things because they are right to do, not just for PR reasons. nt msongs May 2018 #9
Agreed and the Dems do speak out... cynatnite May 2018 #12
Yeah, but we have been right and KPN May 2018 #43
Not if they are smart...we have to win or we will lose every bit of progressive policy ....the house Demsrule86 May 2018 #288
we don't win in November unless something changes 0rganism May 2018 #15
It requires major change to impact outcomes,. appalachiablue May 2018 #69
so far there's been one major change that's got everyone talking 0rganism May 2018 #345
"unless something changes" ehrnst May 2018 #280
well, since you asked... 0rganism May 2018 #339
Bullshit. We win in November unless we listen to the shit that some are suggesting... Demsrule86 May 2018 #289
how's that generic ballot poll holding up for you? like what you see? 0rganism May 2018 #341
We are still winning elections across the nation. The wave appears strong thru fact. sunRISEnow May 2018 #351
i certainly hope you're correct 0rganism May 2018 #358
I agree. We are really going to have to stay focused. Learn from 2016. Recognize it quickly and sunRISEnow May 2018 #359
Generic ballots are pretty meaningless but actually, the last few days pretty good. Demsrule86 May 2018 #400
We're going to win big. Still: GOTV! EndGOPPropaganda May 2018 #338
you gotta hand it to tRump, quartz007 May 2018 #38
Media manipulation isn't anything new... cynatnite May 2018 #45
actually 90% of republicans opposed him during primaries quartz007 May 2018 #48
They fell pretty quickly behind his fat ass when he won the nomination. n/t cynatnite May 2018 #49
Because they fall in lockstep behind any republican. smirkymonkey May 2018 #171
Hand it to the freaking M$M.. who gave/gives Cha May 2018 #201
I hand nothing to Trump...and perhaps this isn't the best site to praise Trump...just saying. Demsrule86 May 2018 #290
I think the media is a huge problem here. smirkymonkey May 2018 #170
The other day I was watching PBS Newshour and Democrats' press conference was betsuni May 2018 #175
Mahalo, cynatnite.. Depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated" Cha May 2018 #217
Thanks for your positive posts about Adam Schiff, Cha. R B Garr May 2018 #251
Oh Good to know, RB! Here's a Tweet for you.. Cha May 2018 #255
Great Tweet, Cha. Says it all. Why mess with a good thing. R B Garr May 2018 #265
Or stealing his thunder. Scruffy1 May 2018 #241
Yes, extraordinary times.. but it doesn't Cha May 2018 #269
I have been recently criticized on other DU threads for saying the same. Trust Buster May 2018 #5
Oh, you said Adam Schiff was "castrated"? Cha May 2018 #219
I never posted that Schiff was castrated. You need to delete your post falsely accusing me. Trust Buster May 2018 #231
I asked you a Question! Because you said you Cha May 2018 #237
Sad but true! BlueJac May 2018 #6
No, it's Not true.. No way does Adam Schiff deserve Cha May 2018 #84
Thank you Cha, so agree with you...n/t monmouth4 May 2018 #94
Mahalo, monmouth. Cha May 2018 #97
I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread mcar May 2018 #126
To depict Adam Schiff as "castrated".. of all Dems.. Cha May 2018 #158
It's foul, Cha mcar May 2018 #163
It's Ridiculous! Way stupid. Cha May 2018 #183
Not true. We are not slamming Democrats by asking them to be better, to be more aggressive in smirkymonkey May 2018 #173
Constructive criticism is fine. sheshe2 May 2018 #196
Yes you are. When you blam Democrats for this cancer which is GOP shit...you are doing exactly Demsrule86 May 2018 #310
+1. I guess Carrey belongs to the Hollywood chapter of OR? We're Democrats. No need for us to.... Tarheel_Dem May 2018 #167
It is horribly insulting to Adam Schiff who is our there on Cha May 2018 #185
I saw this yesterday and thought: Whiskey-Tango-Alpha-Foxtrot!! /eom sprinkleeninow May 2018 #271
If it is true...that Democrats are castrated and I resent the implication as a woman...than Demsrule86 May 2018 #291
cool story bro ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #7
WTF are you thinking??? marble falls May 2018 #8
Shsssh can't sound the alarm around here Thrill May 2018 #10
This is a stupid Alarm on Adam Schiff depicted as Cha May 2018 #195
What alarm? That we take a guy who has worked hard for our side and stab him in the back or we let Demsrule86 May 2018 #292
GREAT POST, Demsrule! Cha May 2018 #373
Thank you Cha! Demsrule86 May 2018 #399
it's disgusting . stonecutter357 May 2018 #11
It's heinoulsy disgusting to depict Adam Schiff as Cha May 2018 #56
Completely disgusting wryter2000 May 2018 #63
Awesome! Owl May 2018 #13
Wake the fuck up Jimbo, Schiff doesn't have a bully pulpit to run PR. oasis May 2018 #14
Thank you for your excellent post. (From a fellow Real World resident.) NurseJackie May 2018 #25
Yup. Carrey should be heaping praise on Schiff for his poise and oasis May 2018 #85
Yeah, but wryter2000 May 2018 #62
Jim had better check himself before he ends up being the oasis May 2018 #100
susan sarandon types make me sick .... stonecutter357 May 2018 #16
Thank you comrade for attacking Democrats! TomCADem May 2018 #17
BINGO!!! tonyt53 May 2018 #91
This is vile. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #18
+1 and untrue. Schiff has 1000 times more class than Carey will ever have. He'd be OnDoutside May 2018 #41
Yeah, Carrey is no prince. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #46
99% of his tweets have been anti GOP, strongly anti GOP Demovictory9 May 2018 #52
but sometimes he takes on both GOP and Dems Demovictory9 May 2018 #55
Anyone who trashes Rep. Schiff, someone I 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #101
And, the one in the OP is deplorably Wrong.. 50 Cha May 2018 #376
But we loves some Jim Carrey when he goes after college graduates aikoaiko May 2018 #19
When Jerry Lewis wannabes play political analyst. johnp3907 May 2018 #20
You nailed it wryter2000 May 2018 #67
I usually call Carrey a poor man's Sammy Petrillo. johnp3907 May 2018 #70
I would wryter2000 May 2018 #75
Scihff has been one of our most outspoken Dems. demmiblue May 2018 #21
You're missing the message RandomAccess May 2018 #24
Nope, he has always been passionately outspoken. demmiblue May 2018 #31
He's great -- but not very loud RandomAccess May 2018 #32
"You're free to think everything's just hunky dory" demmiblue May 2018 #33
How much outrage? cynatnite May 2018 #39
How much outrage? RandomAccess May 2018 #54
How do Dems win in Nov without making a little noise? Demovictory9 May 2018 #64
And you thought the best way to alleviate that fear was this nonsense? mythology May 2018 #188
settle down Demovictory9 May 2018 #191
It is not easy. But we are after GOP seats in moderate GOP districts...'noise' can only hurt our Demsrule86 May 2018 #311
"speak softly, and carry a big stick." sheshe2 May 2018 #165
speak softly and RandomAccess May 2018 #186
Exactly. liberalnarb May 2018 #205
So we embrace trumps style? sheshe2 May 2018 #209
Exactly. Thank you. NurseJackie May 2018 #211
No, Schiff does not deserve these attacks. sheshe2 May 2018 #213
Yeah, they're cheering on Adam Schiff as being "castrated" Cha May 2018 #227
Insanity, Cha. sheshe2 May 2018 #233
SURELY, my dear sheshe, RandomAccess May 2018 #340
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2018 #182
It's not "anger" and "passion" that persuades me MrScorpio May 2018 #83
Yeah, mine too.. what you said. Cha May 2018 #87
You're not the one who needs to be reached and persuaded RandomAccess May 2018 #96
That doesn't get fixed by showing anger uponit7771 May 2018 #405
This. sheshe2 May 2018 #235
So you want him to entertain you with shouting and stomping and overwrought hand-wringing? What... NurseJackie May 2018 #105
Nonsense RandomAccess May 2018 #125
No need. It wouldn't change a thing... NurseJackie May 2018 #132
Not if you are sticking to your RandomAccess May 2018 #143
No translation necessary. The meaning was clear. NurseJackie May 2018 #148
Yeah that seems to be working out great so far. liberalnarb May 2018 #206
Aw. NurseJackie May 2018 #208
I agree. I think Adam Schiff is great. But we need more than one voice in our party to smirkymonkey May 2018 #178
An awful lot of people RandomAccess May 2018 #187
Who are you talking about? sheshe2 May 2018 #239
It doesn't involve you. RandomAccess May 2018 #342
So I wonder why is it that Carrey depicted Adam Schiff Cha May 2018 #190
Start blaming Republicans who don't give a rats ass what we think. And I have seen plenty of Demsrule86 May 2018 #313
Useless ... Seriously useless. uponit7771 May 2018 #404
adam schiff is certainly not one i would accuse of being apathetic. drray23 May 2018 #22
Exactly, and that Jim Carry is using Adam Schifft as his punching boy makes me wonder where Jim still_one May 2018 #35
attacking Democrats is against the TOS right ? stonecutter357 May 2018 #23
You are reading his remarks as being an ATTACK on Democrats? Judi Lynn May 2018 #26
Calling Schiff a castrato? Beaverhausen May 2018 #27
Exactly, Beaverhausen.. Stupid to depict Cha May 2018 #194
I will never see your larger picture Judi Lynn ! NEVER ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #86
It's an attack on Adam Schiff.. showing him as "castrated" Cha May 2018 #257
It is a shame that some here hate the truth Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #28
Yes he is WRONG.. to depict Adam Schiff as castrated.. Cha May 2018 #58
Sure- start screaming and going crazy-that should be really effective redstateblues May 2018 #29
You can show all the passion and make all the noise you want. defacto7 May 2018 #30
It's about turning out and voting. Cary May 2018 #76
++ raise the hell!! heaven05 May 2018 #36
Schiff is by far the most vocal Dem i see opposing drumpf Takket May 2018 #37
Jesus Christ why does anyone pay attention to this guy. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #40
do you feel the same way after seeing this tweet? Demovictory9 May 2018 #51
Yeah, why? WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #53
Agreed wryter2000 May 2018 #72
Carrey should stick to telling the truth about trump and Cha May 2018 #260
The Dem politicians and the media need to BigmanPigman May 2018 #42
I hear you, and despite the few lone voices in the party that are speaking up, I am afraid on the smirkymonkey May 2018 #184
Anenatti is an excellent example. BigmanPigman May 2018 #192
We've got a deep bench. Each should play to their strengths. Some can make noise. Schiff has a... Gidney N Cloyd May 2018 #44
Thank you. sheshe2 May 2018 #133
Shame on Jim Carrey. And, his fucking Cha May 2018 #47
Well said redstateblues May 2018 #60
Mahalo, redstateblues Cha May 2018 #68
Well said! johnp3907 May 2018 #66
Thank you, johnp! Cha May 2018 #79
K&R ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #92
Mahalo, stonecutter! Cha May 2018 #95
Hi Cha , I hope Pele is treating you well .... stonecutter357 May 2018 #114
Mahalo, stonecutter.. Pele Cha May 2018 #149
+1 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #102
Thanks, 50 Shades Of Blue! Cha May 2018 #151
Quite Agree Me. May 2018 #104
Exactly, Me.. Depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated" Cha May 2018 #154
43 recs and counting. Beaverhausen May 2018 #107
Yes, thoses who REC this are Completely Dissing all the Excellent Cha May 2018 #252
A mix of Bots and supporters of you know who in 2020 BannonsLiver May 2018 #350
"Adam Schiff VS twittler" is now near the top of the page.. Cha May 2018 #370
Horrible...and it says something about those posters... Demsrule86 May 2018 #314
I completely agree. NRaleighLiberal May 2018 #50
Adam Schiff is not the Problem. Wish we had more people like him JI7 May 2018 #57
Exacty, JI7.. It's Wrong and Shameful of Jim Carrey Cha May 2018 #65
Yep. Cary May 2018 #78
Disgusting RandySF May 2018 #59
I agree with the general message only if Schiff represents all Democrats. Schiff has been a good Oneironaut May 2018 #61
Voter apathy was and still is the problem cutroot May 2018 #71
It's all about the timing Dem2 May 2018 #74
good point. Demovictory9 May 2018 #77
He is wrong about Adam Schiff JI7 May 2018 #82
I agree Dem2 May 2018 #88
Yes, he is wrong to depict Adam Schiff as "castrated" Cha May 2018 #89
probably not the best way to make his point, but Jim carry style is to be outrageous. Demovictory9 May 2018 #110
To depict Adam Schiff as "castrated" is Cha May 2018 #155
This is not an attack on Dems blugbox May 2018 #81
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey May 2018 #180
Screaming and yelling when you don't like something. Now who does that remind me of? greatauntoftriplets May 2018 #98
remember all the protests and marches in the street after Trump "won"? Demovictory9 May 2018 #108
Exactly. Look at the ones at the left we all loved to start out with. Graysen, Weiner, Kussinich. sunRISEnow May 2018 #119
I like Jim Carray but he's way off on this. Hasn't he seen how Schiff has been standing up... George II May 2018 #99
People hate Schiff because he's not "showboating" and putting on an act to entertain them. NurseJackie May 2018 #106
Like Obama. sheshe2 May 2018 #113
That is what it is. The thirst to be entertained. Yea fox. Interesting. sunRISEnow May 2018 #121
Yeah, baby!!! PatrickforO May 2018 #103
I love Jim Carey Clarity2 May 2018 #109
The Republican's control the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches of our Government so jalan48 May 2018 #111
Jim Carrey can kiss my butt Progressive dog May 2018 #112
Jim who? N/T lapucelle May 2018 #115
Castrating the donkey, as representation of the party in general, I could perhaps understand Freethinker65 May 2018 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author sunRISEnow May 2018 #127
Carrey rso May 2018 #118
I agree nt Sunsky May 2018 #120
You agree that Adam Schiff is "castrated"? Cha May 2018 #296
I agree with the basic premise Sunsky May 2018 #300
Yeah, I don't agree that Adam Schiff is "castrated". Cha May 2018 #302
This is revolting mcar May 2018 #122
Adam Schiff is fantastic. DemoHack May 2018 #123
Exactly, DemoHack! It's like Carrey isn't Cha May 2018 #199
His paintings are pretty funny. DemoHack May 2018 #273
He needs to stick to Cha May 2018 #274
Great list! DemoHack May 2018 #275
Yes.. that sounds Cha May 2018 #276
Agree totally. I fear zentrum May 2018 #124
I really wish Democrats would fight trump harder. Lunabell May 2018 #130
This Thread Is A Great Example of a RW/ Russian Campaign TomCADem May 2018 #134
Very good point. We always have to look at who gets the pay off. Thank you. sunRISEnow May 2018 #135
So, just because my opinion is different than yours Lunabell May 2018 #361
So, Do Russian Trolls Attacking Dems... TomCADem May 2018 #371
That isn't what the poster is saying and you know it. Lunabell May 2018 #378
Welp, Jim ain't wrong JackInGreen May 2018 #131
Actually in this particular case Jim is quite wrong. BannonsLiver May 2018 #349
"That he picked Schiff says he's uninformed. Just another Surandon type." sunRISEnow May 2018 #352
Shame On You Carrey Me. May 2018 #136
Every single reply is right. Chickensoup May 2018 #137
+1000 Demovictory9 May 2018 #203
Please explain how we get the media to give air time our side nini May 2018 #319
Adam Schiff is tough as hell and he sure isn't the 'enemy' you all are trying to make him out to be emulatorloo May 2018 #138
Oh go fuck yourself, Jim BannonsLiver May 2018 #139
An excellent reply to Carrey's tweet emulatorloo May 2018 #140
Mahalo, emulatorloo! Cha May 2018 #245
Hear, hear, Jim! MariaCSR May 2018 #141
An alert-worthy post that has sadly remained up, and on the front page Tarc May 2018 #142
i guess I don't get it. WHY IS HE BLAMING THE DEMOCRATS??? onecent May 2018 #145
What many people here fail to realize is that the calm demeanor ecstatic May 2018 #146
No, demanding others behave like trump is normalizing him JI7 May 2018 #174
Ya. I was thinking. sunRISEnow May 2018 #181
No one is suggesting Dems should "act like trump". liberalnarb May 2018 #214
Adam Schiff is a badass also. not everyone is the same. many of us find people like Adam Schiff JI7 May 2018 #215
Yes, but we are not the ones we need to draw in. eom liberalnarb May 2018 #216
a Jewish Liberal from Los Angeles isn't going to draw in Trump Supporters JI7 May 2018 #218
True, but I wasn't really talking about trump supporters. liberalnarb May 2018 #222
there is nothing to do show this to be the case. would they support Maxine Waters ? JI7 May 2018 #228
Carrey is Wrong depicting Adam Schiff as "Castrated".. Cha May 2018 #230
You've repeated this thread multiple times in this OP. I get it, Schiff jabbed at trump in response liberalnarb May 2018 #242
You know I wasn't repeating this for you.. I'm posting Cha May 2018 #244
You posted this in response to my thread and I was pointing out that whether or liberalnarb May 2018 #247
I replied to your post.. I would like it if the Cha May 2018 #248
Oh good god! GMAFB! He's doing no such thing and you know it! He's not "normalizing" Trump! NurseJackie May 2018 #177
There is no excuse for Carrey's foul attack on Adam Schiff. None. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #234
The pic was inappropriate, but I agree with the point, ecstatic May 2018 #365
Attacking Trump's opposition instead of Trump himself is worthy of a Russian bot. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #366
So ... everything should be like a reality show, lots of conflict and "showing your passion"? betsuni May 2018 #164
It seems that way, doesn't it? Amazing how some want... NurseJackie May 2018 #179
And it's easier to make mistakes while emotional. betsuni May 2018 #193
Howard? johnp3907 May 2018 #197
Thanks, wrong Dean. betsuni May 2018 #198
You got too emotional and made a mistake. johnp3907 May 2018 #202
Oops! *in Rick Perry's voice* betsuni May 2018 #204
Good point, betsuni. I've never seen those Cha May 2018 #210
I watch cooking competition shows and "show us your passion" is big. betsuni May 2018 #229
From your take on those shows.. American Cha May 2018 #236
Oh, Canada saidsimplesimon May 2018 #189
Carrey is dead Wrong depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated".. Cha May 2018 #223
Thank you. That anyone would start a thread to share with approval 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #232
Excellent Point, 50 Shades! Carrey's portrayal of Schiff.. Cha May 2018 #240
My pleasure! Schiff deserves to be supported! Trump is probably gloating over 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #246
Here's another Tweet supporting Schiff you'll Cha May 2018 #250
That was a great tweet - "statesman" is perfect description of Rep. Schiff. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #258
Obviously true...makes me sick. Demsrule86 May 2018 #293
Having read the comments, saidsimplesimon May 2018 #226
Carrey's absolutely right. Civility is wasted on Republicans. backscatter712 May 2018 #212
Carrey is absolutely Wrong.. depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated" Cha May 2018 #221
But Carrey didn't turn the knob to nasty on Republicans with this piece of shit. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #303
I love Carrey's art. It's been relentless and biting, but mountain grammy May 2018 #224
the guy fighting Trump the hardest is Stormy Daniel's attorney. He is fearless Demovictory9 May 2018 #264
And, so has Adam Schiff! trump tries to denigrate him and Cha May 2018 #272
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #249
That's not true.. Cha May 2018 #261
We sure love to attack the Dems who are working the hardest to take 45 down nini May 2018 #253
Ain't that the truth, nini.. poster above called "Adam Schiff our Trey Gowdy" Cha May 2018 #263
I honestly dont know why i come here anymore nini May 2018 #317
We Dems who support the Cha May 2018 #321
Thanks Cha nini May 2018 #334
Backatcha, nini! Cha May 2018 #336
He's like me. Iliyah May 2018 #262
BS. Schiff is a badass. mahina May 2018 #266
That ain't Schiff's style. I get what he's saying, but calling Schiff out by name ain't flyin. Kirk Lover May 2018 #267
Adam Schiff came up with "Liegate"! Awesome! Cha May 2018 #268
I stand with Rep Adam Schiff! Cha May 2018 #270
I lulz'd KG May 2018 #277
Fuck you Jim...in a midterm year...this is what you got? Demsrule86 May 2018 #281
Carrey just gave Trump himself a piece of handdrawn propaganda to use 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #299
Exactly, I will never forgive Jim nor forget. Demsrule86 May 2018 #312
Neither will I! It's one thing for Carrey to take cheap shots at Repugs because 50 Shades Of Blue May 2018 #318
So everyone who is mad at Carrey thinks the Dems are tough enough on Trump???? Really??? nt USALiberal May 2018 #320
I think Carrey is Wrong to depict Adam Schiff as Cha May 2018 #323
Reverse the party's and they would be kicking our ass on Pruitt, Russia, Defecit, etc. nt USALiberal May 2018 #324
Yeah, and they'd have the M$M with Cha May 2018 #325
MSM is constantly calling out Trump daily. nt USALiberal May 2018 #326
Good. Cha May 2018 #327
No. They treat everything as a debate and normalize him instead of saying JI7 May 2018 #328
Do you see Schiff, Waters, Feinstein, Pelosi on those shows? nini May 2018 #337
No. They would go after Democratsin birth certificates, war records , emails JI7 May 2018 #331
If Obama had a Pruitt they would have hearings on his spending weekly! nt USALiberal May 2018 #332
Democrats don't control congress. Adam schiff is doing what he can JI7 May 2018 #333
the GOP hold the senate, house, supreme court, most of the state houses, the presidency Demovictory9 May 2018 #344
Still, HRC won by three million. How many unprecedented events worked against HRC? sunRISEnow May 2018 #356
I don't see where he/she PDittie May 2018 #362
If the crap is like Carrey's attack Schiff being castrated, then you are right. I bet Schiff or the sunRISEnow May 2018 #363
I can't believe people are reccing this piece of crap. GoCubsGo May 2018 #329
amen! Im tired of them saying out of date sayings like 'Over the Moon'... samnsara May 2018 #330
100%. I do not get this twee "beyond the pale" rhetoric. Talk about not paying attention. RelativelyJones May 2018 #348
Who the eff is Jim Carrey & why is he calling one of our best a castrato? That's disgusting... Hekate May 2018 #343
Until Carrey renounces his antivax bullshit publicly, screw him jmowreader May 2018 #346
Jim is right. Dems always try to win a Mr/Ms Reasonable debate trophy RelativelyJones May 2018 #347
Right Idea Proud Liberal Dem May 2018 #353
This has been a good thread, making it clear what the Democratic Party is up against, from people sunRISEnow May 2018 #354
Right Message, wrong method northremembers May 2018 #357
I do not think they have lost ground. Manipulation had to be in place for Republicans to win. sunRISEnow May 2018 #360
Look around northremembers May 2018 #375
great post! Demovictory9 May 2018 #364
Carrey's way of saying, "On both sides, on both sides." VOX May 2018 #367
Jim Carrey is an anti-vaxx anti-science conspiracy loon not that much different than trump LostOne4Ever May 2018 #368
Unfair and unhelpful. honest.abe May 2018 #372
I think of it not as an attack, but a push... stmac May 2018 #374
+1000 Demovictory9 May 2018 #407
this is terribly insensitive towards everyone who has something other than typical male genitalia samir.g May 2018 #379
Damn right, the only Democrats I see that has the guts to doc03 May 2018 #380
Did you read the tweet? honest.abe May 2018 #387
I know he is one of the few that says anything. It's unbeleiveable doc03 May 2018 #398
When did Carrey start working for Rump? tavernier May 2018 #389
He is very anti Trump Demovictory9 May 2018 #406
Not when he gives him ammunition like this. tavernier May 2018 #408
Spot on budkin May 2018 #413
Carrey needs to take his ass back to the peanut gallery. For keeps. oasis May 2018 #414
Wow. I guess this is what a castrated Dem looks like, huh: ehrnst Jun 2018 #417

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
34. Simple answer................
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:15 PM
May 2018

Most career politicians stay in business due to BIG donors, not small donors. Get my drift?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
73. I get it. But I think it can change.
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:00 PM
May 2018

Call me a hopeless optimist. But that has been the trend lately. There is no limit to what individuals can do when they are committed.

George II

(67,782 posts)
128. On what to you base that broad, sweeping proclamation? That's about as offensive as the OP cartoon.
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:58 PM
May 2018
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
382. Even easier - just go to OpenSecrets
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:22 PM
May 2018

Senator Sanders' "independent expenditure" SuperPac is listed:

www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?cycle=2016&strID=C00490375


www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00490375


www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C00490375&cycle=2016


www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgave2.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00490375


Who are the donors? NNU itself and its affiliate California Nurses Assn.

www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C90013616&cycle=2016

Where did they get the money? They don't say. They are only required to disclose individuals who gave more than $200. There are none listed.


And this:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10663156

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
393. I agree that it's better,
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:25 PM
May 2018

but there doesn't seem to be anything simple about trying to trace a super pac's millions back to identifiable donors, only to find that ultimately none are actually disclosed.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
152. Never said that!
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:35 PM
May 2018

What I really said is without the BIG donors, career politicians have a difficult time winning elections. There are exceptions of course. Bernie Sanders is a prime example of someone who thrives on small donations.

Also I realize that some politicians genuinely care for the people. But most people do not know who they are unless they follow voting patterns in congress. Even us political junkies do not studiously follow congressional votes on every bill.

George II

(67,782 posts)
156. But you're wrong..."big" donors can't contribute to so-called "career politicians", and.....
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:40 PM
May 2018

....you're incorrect about someone "thriving on small donations".

Whereas he'd like you to think his average contribution two years ago was $27, in fact that average was more like $60+, which is in line with many politicians. I could get into more details but......

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
162. What are the donation limits on "Pacs"?
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:51 PM
May 2018

As I keep posting again and again, so long as politicians depend on donations, it encourages influence peddling, lobbyists, and special interests.

I would like to see all private funding made illegal and all campaigns should be publicly funded and shorten the campaign spans. Only then a true democracy can emerge.

Response to George II (Reply #166)

former9thward

(31,963 posts)
395. Nice try.
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:42 PM
May 2018

You are very well aware what PACs do is NOT individual donations. It is "independent" spending on behalf of a candidate or against their opponent. This is where career politicians get their big donors. There are no real limits on what donors can give PACs or what can be done with the money. Remember Citizens United which there has been countless posts about?

George II

(67,782 posts)
396. That's "almost" true. PACs don't make "independent" contributions, SUPER PACs do. PACs...
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:49 PM
May 2018

...are limited to the same maximum as individuals. There is a distinct difference between PACs and SUPER PACs, and the rules governing each are different.

Check out post #382 in this discussion. It is enlightening.

George II

(67,782 posts)
411. I read my original chart wrong, PACs can contribute up to $5000.
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:46 PM
May 2018

But $5000 doesn't constitute a "big donor" as it's being portrayed here.

BTW, a married couple can contribute $5400.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
282. I want a unicorn... with United which was inflicted on us by Nader and his Green slime, we can't
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:34 AM
May 2018

do as you suggest...at least if we elect Democrats, we have shot.I will never get a unicorn sadly, and you have an equally bad chance of winning anything if you kneecap Democrats by holding them to a standard of purity in terms of campaign finance that the other side does not have to adhere to. Jim Carrey is a jerk on this.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
176. Good! Because they are for the
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:27 PM
May 2018

People.. and I don't want to see anyone dissing our Hard working Dems on the front lines.

And, please don't give any "prime examples". I don't buy into that. he's no better than anyone else fighting for our Democracy.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
278. He needs the financial support and backing of the Democratic establishment to run.
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:12 AM
May 2018

As has been discussed thoroughly on DU when recently announced he would once again run as a Democrat, then decline the nomination, just every time he runs in the primary in VT.

And what "large donors" are you talking about?

You don't seem to be familiar with campaign finance law...

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
369. I use "donors" loosely, not in strictest legal terms
Sun May 27, 2018, 06:28 PM
May 2018

It could mean starting a new PAC, donating to an existing PAC, or corporate donations.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
409. Too busy playing golf, sorry no time for that!
Mon May 28, 2018, 02:16 PM
May 2018

why don't you please summarize how corporations pour in so much money into politicians? You seem to have time to read all that stuff.

George II

(67,782 posts)
412. How can I summarize something that I don't believe happens? Since you're the one....
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:51 PM
May 2018

...who claimed it, why don't you give a few details?

George II

(67,782 posts)
416. Read the disclaimers at the bottom of the page. There are similar lists....
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:22 PM
May 2018

....(different magnitudes and amounts) for just about every candidate.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
385. Actually, "donors" is a very specific term, legally speaking, when it
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:38 PM
May 2018

comes to campaigns.

It's not a "loose" term, as we have seen with the Stormy Daniels hush money.

If Michael Cohen paid Stormy to stay quiet for the duration of the campaign, that is considered a campaign donation.

Of course if a SuperPac pays for ads supporting a candidate, that is not considered a donation, even though those ads may cost millions of dollars that a candidate does not have to spend.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10663156

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
391. Correct, I don't have to use a "Legal" term
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:52 PM
May 2018

I am not writing a court document or a congressional bill. Hence I do not have to be legally correct in expressing an opinion.

What I mean by "donations" is the money which flows to political candidates DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY to help them get elected.

As I keep posting again and again, PRIVATE DONATIONS encourage special interests and Lobbyists to influence politicians.

Only way the corruption will end is by financing all campaigns with tax money allocated by the government. Make all private donations ILLEGAL.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
297. Bernie is a career politician, and has benefitted from SuperPac support.
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:06 AM
May 2018

Some very generous support from SuperPacs.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
355. Yes He Has...Here's A Sample
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:46 PM
May 2018

“This is a guaranteed drink for Debate Night Bingo. Sanders’s rejection of super PACs has become such a core part of his campaign that his supporters worked it into their chant: “We don’t need a Super PAC, Bernie Sanders has our back.Yet there are some important distinctions glossed over in this claim, which obscures the fact that Sanders has benefited from outside groups, including a super PAC that has spent more than $1 million campaigning for him. Let’s check it out….

Most presidential candidates have tacitly sanctioned super PACs that support them and act as extensions of their official campaigns. They often are run by the candidates’ former staffers or top allies, and the candidates help raise money for these super PACs. For example, Jeb Bush’s allies run a super PAC and nonprofit called Right to Rise. Hillary Clinton’s super PACs, Priorities USA Action and Correct the Record, are run by her top allies. Such super PACs have been criticized for blurring the line between coordination and non-coordination. (Check out this helpful graphic by The Washington Post and the Center for Responsive Politics.)

Technically, there is no super PAC sanctioned by Sanders in the same way that other candidates have. There have been three unaffiliated ones. Billionaires for Bernie has not raised any money. Collective Actions PAC raised just $443. Sanders has worked to disassociate himself from these groups, PolitiFact found.

The third has gotten the most attention: a super PAC financed by the nurses union. The National Nurses United for Patient Protection has spent nearly $1.2 million as of February 2016 in support of Sanders, including on mailers and a bus tour through several key early primary states.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/11/sanderss-claim-that-he-does-not-have-a-super-pac/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0000b15da80c


“On Thursday, Sanders won the support of Communications Workers of America, another major labor union. At an event announcing the endorsement, a similar tension was on display. Sanders denounced big money in politics, but CWA president Chris Shelton indicated the union is likely to use its super PAC to support his campaign. “We will respect Bernie’s wishes, but we will use all legal and possible resources to get him elected,” Candice Johnson, a spokesperson for the union said. “We do have a super PAC, but it’s a super PAC of a union of 700,000 working people, not a couple of billionaires. That’s a big difference.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/bernie-sanders-super-pac/420930/

“It is an unusual arrangement: Instead of billionaire donors looking to fund television ads, Sanders campaign staffers have formed a dissenting splinter group in the northernmost state and campaign on the ground for the Alaska caucus. From a drab shopping mall storefront, they want to take on Clinton’s powerful alliance on the Acela corridor.

The group also exists in murky legal territory, as federal election law requires a “cooling-off period” that prevents a candidate’s staff from leaving the campaign and doing certain kinds of work for a supporting super PAC within 120 days. America’s Youth PAC disputes it is doing anything illegal, but several independent campaign finance experts said it was pressing the boundaries of election law.”

http://time.com/4261350/bernie-sanders-super-pac-alaska-millenials/

Me.

(35,454 posts)
386. And Didn't Weaver Form Some Kind Of PAC
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:43 PM
May 2018

or something which allows them to accept money but not reveal the donor?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
390. Here's What I Was Thinking About
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:49 PM
May 2018

It's Not A Pac....

Nonprofit Structure Backfires on 'Our Revolution'

“Tonight I want to introduce you to a new, independent nonprofit organization that is called Our Revolution, which is inspired by the historic Bernie 2016 presidential campaign,” said Sanders at the event, which was livestreamed to some 300,000 supporters. The group, Sanders declared, “will be fighting at the grassroots level for changes in their local school boards, in their city councils, in their state legislatures and in their representation in Washington.”

But the enthusiastic applause that greeted Sanders in Burlington contrasted sharply with the messy controversies and bad press dogging Our Revolution even before its official launch. On the same day that Sanders introduced the group, The New York Times reported that Our Revolution had been “met by a staff revolt” in the form of eight staff resignations. The malcontents blasted Sanders’s selection of his campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, to head the new organization, and complained that Our Revolution’s structure as a nonprofit 501(c)(4) social welfare group creates organizational and ethics problems.”

http://prospect.org/article/nonprofit-structure-backfires-our-revolution

Cha

(297,034 posts)
243. Yeah, all the RECS for Carrey depicting Adam Schiff as being
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:53 AM
May 2018

"castrated"..

‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/





"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of “executive time” to watch television."






They're dissing all the excellent work Adam has done for us as if it were nothing. Unreal, flea

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,958 posts)
298. ITA and I'm stunned this vicious attack on a dedicated Trump-fighting Dem
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:17 AM
May 2018

like Schiff is not only allowed to stand here, of all places, but is actually being huzzahed. What has Carrey done to fight Trump aside from posting cartoons? Meanwhile Schiff works tirelessly against Trump where it actually matters. Here's what Carrey's done: he's given Trump a great big present, in this piece of utterly twisted ammunition, to use against one of Trump's most tireless foes.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
301. I know it's surreal, 50 Shades. Jim Carrey
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:30 AM
May 2018

has done nothing to fight trump except cartoons.. while Adam Schiff has been out there on the Front Lines Fighting for our Democracy tirelessly as you noted.

trump better Not display Carrey's depiction of Adam Schiff as a Gotcha.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
377. It is frustrating. Jim Carrey wants what we want, he may have gone the wrong way
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:05 PM
May 2018

to do it, but Jim suffers from the same misconception many do as to HOW democrats can get on TV to show their anger.

They cant just call reporters from major networks to come to their office, doesnt work like that.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
285. Hell would freeze over before I would rec this sorry post. Adam has done great work and Jim is
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:38 AM
May 2018

wrong and behaving like an asshole. I suppose we can expect more of this as the midterms loom...well clear to see on this thread who supports Democrats and who doesn't.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
295. Thanks Demsrule... one thing
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:52 AM
May 2018

Last edited Sun May 27, 2018, 09:48 AM - Edit history (1)

about this flagrant lie from Carrey is.. I found out more about Adam Schiff than I knew.

Just a few examples from him and about him..









ETA~

onlyadream

(2,165 posts)
304. Right. Adam Schaffer is a treasure
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:46 AM
May 2018

Jim Carey is venting his frustration on the wrong person. Go after the GOP Congress who are enabling Trump, or the religious right, who are the biggest hypocrites ever.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
305. Mahalo, onlyadream.. yes, Carrey is venting on the Wrong person..
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:50 AM
May 2018

I can't wait until we get out of this living nightmare.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
80. I'm not flaming, smirky .. just saying that I do Not
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:06 PM
May 2018

think Adam Schiff, who is out there all the time on the Front Lines, trying to save our Democracy, deserves to be depicted as "Castrated".

TheRealNorth

(9,474 posts)
90. Agree
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:14 PM
May 2018

I was very happy that Adam Schiff beat the Republicans to the punch Thursday and getting in front of the cameras and saying there was no FBI spying.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
93. Mahalo, TheRealNorth! Yes, it was Adam Schiff who
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:16 PM
May 2018

got out there Thursday and said there was NO FBI spying.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
117. No, he is one of the best ones. I agree.
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:50 PM
May 2018

I just wish more of them would get some backbone and attack these bastards because there is so much to attack them on. They are destroying this country. I want to see more Democrats out there FIGHTING! I'm sorry, I just wish they would be a bit more aggressive against this assault on our nation.

Mahalo, Cha!

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
144. Schiff is really the only one who is speaking at all.
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:40 PM
May 2018

It's not his nature to be loud and harsh. I be there is someone they could find in the Democratic party who could. Come on guys and gals, someone step up loudly.

mcar

(42,294 posts)
168. This is simply not true
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:05 PM
May 2018

Many Democrats are speaking out, on TV, on social media, in print media.

I see them and I hear them on a daily basis.

mcar

(42,294 posts)
200. So tired of this, Cha
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:24 PM
May 2018

People are applauding this filthy lie while 1500 children have gotten "lost" by ICE.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
207. Yeah, "applauding" Adam Schiff "Castrated" when
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:36 PM
May 2018

he is one of the hardest working Dems out there.



Fucking asshole trump calls him "little" and Adam Schiff keeps his cool.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
286. I am sick of hearing about Franken. Maybe he should have stayed and fought for his seat.
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:39 AM
May 2018

And I was unhappy with the entire thing.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
335. Right. To say he is the one that stands up, yet easily walking away from position suggest otherwise.
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:55 AM
May 2018

Without a fight, without explanation, without a word.

Interesting.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
401. I expect his feelings were hurt or he just had enough...but there is no reason to continue worrying
Mon May 28, 2018, 09:24 AM
May 2018

about it. What is done is done.

Pensfan8771

(1 post)
129. You're right
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:59 PM
May 2018

I believe Democrats should do everything in their power to grind government business to a halt until the investigations are concluded. Do you know how much damage the GOP are doing on a daily basis and we aren't even trying any parliamentary tricks to gum up the works? Did you also know that a recent poll found that 59% of the respondents didn't know of any of the charges stemming from the Mueller investigation? We are losing the PR war and our country in the process, i fear

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
287. It won't work. If you notice as the midterms approached they made a deal so as not to shut down the
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:41 AM
May 2018

government. Those who want to shut down the government risk the midterm for nothing. We won't win as the GOP loves a shutdown they can blame on us.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
4. Gotta disagree with Jim on this...
Sat May 26, 2018, 05:18 PM
May 2018

As long as tRump opens his trap, sucks the oxygen out of the room and corporate media trips over their own feet to report it, the Dems are out in the cold.

The only way any of this changes is beating the repubs in November.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
12. Agreed and the Dems do speak out...
Sat May 26, 2018, 05:24 PM
May 2018

But with tRump, whose turned the WH into a racist and traitorous reality show, corporate media is going to go at it 24/7 when he opens his mouth.

The Dems aren't heard because no one's paying attention to them.

Of course, we get our nightly outrage with folks like Ari, Rachel, Joy and others, but it's still almost always about tRump.

KPN

(15,641 posts)
43. Yeah, but we have been right and
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:24 PM
May 2018

doing the right thing to do all along. You would think if they were effective strategies we'd be much further along. On some fronts, we've been backsliding significantly. The high road has always been my preferred approach, but at some point you have to question its efficacy.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
288. Not if they are smart...we have to win or we will lose every bit of progressive policy ....the house
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:42 AM
May 2018

is on fire and it is not 'smart' to do thing which will cost us the midterms.

0rganism

(23,934 posts)
15. we don't win in November unless something changes
Sat May 26, 2018, 05:36 PM
May 2018

something's got to change or we wake up after another tragic night wondering what happened to our lovely Blue Wave.

0rganism

(23,934 posts)
345. so far there's been one major change that's got everyone talking
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:58 PM
May 2018

and that's Agent Orange's unlikely ascent to incredible power
thanks to that major change, the electoral problems we faced in 2016 are not only still present in 2018, they get reinforced every damn day. now when Trump holds one of his Nuremberg rallies he can call it "Presidential" and campaign all over the country (on the taxpayer's dime) for "Keeping America Great". what have we got going up against that? he's the POTUS, so networks treat every stupid turd that drops from his shit eating mouth like it came from a responsible public servant. and that is the bare minimum of the forces arrayed against us. this is a difficult position for Democrats, and one that is unlikely to change between now and November 2020, so something else has to give or we'll be in even deeper shit than we are now.

how's your father doing? healthy and unfoxified i hope. ALS took my father in 2011 and now i'm glad he died while Obama was still in office because this federal-level bullshit would have driven him 100% insane, no question.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
280. "unless something changes"
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:21 AM
May 2018

What specifically?

We stop efforts on social justice?

We stop calling DT out when he is harming our country?

Someone waves a magic wand and state voter suppression laws suddenly disappear?


What?

0rganism

(23,934 posts)
339. well, since you asked...
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:26 PM
May 2018

how about
1. the media ends their Herculean efforts at normalizing Agent Orange
2. Mueller drops a whole mess of indictments on the inner circle
3. someone waves a magic wand and Americans vote for rational government over base impulses
just for starters

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
289. Bullshit. We win in November unless we listen to the shit that some are suggesting...
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:45 AM
May 2018

We have no power so the idea that we try and do stuff that play right into the GOP hands like shutting down the government is foolish and the specials indicate a real opportunity in the house despite the gerrymander and maybe even the senate...however, the some of the most important elections are governors and legislators so we stop the gerrymander.

0rganism

(23,934 posts)
341. how's that generic ballot poll holding up for you? like what you see?
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:35 PM
May 2018

i sincerely hope November 7 is everything you figure it will be, no changes needed.

it's not enough to win some house seats, we have to win well over 20, which seems less and less likely every passing week. we'll be very lucky indeed to hold ground in the senate. as you observed, state legislatures and governorships are very important too -- we need that to go extremely well, people are suffering under the state GOP yoke.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
351. We are still winning elections across the nation. The wave appears strong thru fact.
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:38 PM
May 2018

I cannot place the poll as the indicator, over fact. How about if we continue to pay attention instead of deciding behavior up against a poll the might have value but likely has no value?

0rganism

(23,934 posts)
358. i certainly hope you're correct
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:55 PM
May 2018

the special elections so far point to a satisfying November. but i thought Hillary was going to be our next president, too.

and now Trump is in an even stronger position to distract and disrupt.

i'll just say i have serious concerns about the rising levels of obviously false propaganda being circulated in this country at this time. i expect the gaslighting to intensify throughout the summer. if/when Trump lands his much-ballyhoo'd summit with Kim, his presence will become even more ubiquitous than it is now.

and when the media focuses on Trump rather than the effects of his disastrous policies, he "wins".

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
359. I agree. We are really going to have to stay focused. Learn from 2016. Recognize it quickly and
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:58 PM
May 2018

address. Then move on to the next one. It makes it challenging when having to address all the many lies. But we see, people are willing to believe the most ridiculous ones, like Pizza gate.

It is a tough climate and Carrey only fed into it.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
38. you gotta hand it to tRump,
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:19 PM
May 2018

he is experienced in how to exploit his megaphone, from years and years of selling his brand based on "name". Ever seen any of his properties without a big "TRUMP" sign?

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
45. Media manipulation isn't anything new...
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:25 PM
May 2018

What's kept him where he is are the complicit repubs who prop him and his message up.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
48. actually 90% of republicans opposed him during primaries
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:36 PM
May 2018

The Bush brothers notably did not even vote for tRump in the general. Now it seems 90% have fallen in line behind his big fat ass.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
201. Hand it to the freaking M$M.. who gave/gives
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:26 PM
May 2018

him the MegaPhone all the time.. they fucking helped normalize him.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
170. I think the media is a huge problem here.
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:12 PM
May 2018

When we do speak up, we aren't given a platform or a voice media wise, or if we are it is rare. I am sick of seeing clips of Trump and his stupid ass declarations and they are allowed to stand with no rebuttal or challenge because the media is pushing a certain agenda. This has to stop. He must be allowed to be challenged publicly on everything he says.

betsuni

(25,447 posts)
175. The other day I was watching PBS Newshour and Democrats' press conference was
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:21 PM
May 2018

mentioned only for a few seconds, no story, just a written statement that they held a press conference. Maybe they did a story later, but if they did, I didn't see it. Evidently not worthy of "News"hour.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
217. Mahalo, cynatnite.. Depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated"
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:56 PM
May 2018

shows he hasn't been paying attention to him at all.

‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/





"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of “executive time” to watch television."


R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
251. Thanks for your positive posts about Adam Schiff, Cha.
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:19 AM
May 2018

Carrey obviously doesn’t know much about how effective Schiff is. He handed James Rogan of the Clinton impeachment posse a huge loss by being his incisive, intelligent self. He is devastatingly effective. I would not want to be up against him.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
269. Yes, extraordinary times.. but it doesn't
Sun May 27, 2018, 02:36 AM
May 2018

call for Carrey to LIE his damn ass off about Adam Schiff. I'm sure he's got trump smiling like he just ate shite.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
219. Oh, you said Adam Schiff was "castrated"?
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:58 PM
May 2018
‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/





"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of “executive time” to watch television."


Cha

(297,034 posts)
237. I asked you a Question! Because you said you
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:34 AM
May 2018

were saying the same thing as the OP.

Your quote..

Trust Buster (6,330 posts)

5. I have been recently criticized on other DU threads for saying the same.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
84. No, it's Not true.. No way does Adam Schiff deserve
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:09 PM
May 2018

to be depicted as "castrated".

Shame on you all for lapping this up.

mcar

(42,294 posts)
126. I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:55 PM
May 2018

No, scratch that, I can. Seems some "progressives" are happier slamming Democrats with false criticisms than in fighting the Nazis in the White House and Congress.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
158. To depict Adam Schiff as "castrated".. of all Dems..
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:43 PM
May 2018

is horribly Disrespecting all the Excellent work he has done for us.

It is incredible to me that so many who have seen what he has done are jumping on Jim Carry's "Castration" band wagon.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
173. Not true. We are not slamming Democrats by asking them to be better, to be more aggressive in
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:16 PM
May 2018

fighting this cancer in the White House. We just want to see our side win and we see this as constructive criticism, not "slamming".

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
196. Constructive criticism is fine.
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:20 PM
May 2018

Supporting a thread that shows Schiff castrated is not.

Sorry smirky, this is just not right.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
310. Yes you are. When you blam Democrats for this cancer which is GOP shit...you are doing exactly
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:26 AM
May 2018

Democrats have no power to 'fight' (thanks to the parties are same fools)and the suggestions on this thread would only help Republicans win yet again.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
167. +1. I guess Carrey belongs to the Hollywood chapter of OR? We're Democrats. No need for us to....
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:02 PM
May 2018

become what we claim to despise. This is highly insulting to Adam Schiff, and Democrats alike. In case Jim Carrey hasn't noticed, we don't control Congress or the m$m for that matter.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
185. It is horribly insulting to Adam Schiff who is our there on
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:41 PM
May 2018

our front lines, Tarheel. "Castrated"? Really, Carrey?

‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/



Tarheel



Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
291. If it is true...that Democrats are castrated and I resent the implication as a woman...than
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:48 AM
May 2018

it was the left left (Green slime) who did it so they should shut the fuck up. Now Carrey did support Hillary but I am still pissed at this unfair attack...and those who support it should be ashamed in my opinion.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
195. This is a stupid Alarm on Adam Schiff depicted as
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:05 PM
May 2018

"castrated". There's honest alarms and there's false alarms.

‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
292. What alarm? That we take a guy who has worked hard for our side and stab him in the back or we let
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:49 AM
May 2018

a celebrity lead us around by the nose?

Cha

(297,034 posts)
56. It's heinoulsy disgusting to depict Adam Schiff as
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:49 PM
May 2018

"castrated".. Shame on Carrey and everyone here who agrees with this shite.

oasis

(49,365 posts)
85. Yup. Carrey should be heaping praise on Schiff for his poise and
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:10 PM
May 2018

persistence in wrestling with both the Trump Administration and the Ryan/Nunes GOP obfuscation apparatus.

oasis

(49,365 posts)
100. Jim had better check himself before he ends up being the
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:26 PM
May 2018

object of ridicule. His characterization of the congressman revealed his lack of respect in the most classless way.

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
41. +1 and untrue. Schiff has 1000 times more class than Carey will ever have. He'd be
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:21 PM
May 2018

better off taking better care of his girlfriends.

Demovictory9

(32,444 posts)
52. 99% of his tweets have been anti GOP, strongly anti GOP
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:46 PM
May 2018

Jim Carrey

Verified account

@JimCarrey
Apr 3
More
If u believe wrestling is real u may even believe Fox news, Info Wars and the robotic drones on Sinclair Broadcasting. But wrestling doesn’t harm viewers. Performers like Sean Hannity and Alex Jones should join the WWE where their hyperbole will do less damage to the culture.

Demovictory9

(32,444 posts)
55. but sometimes he takes on both GOP and Dems
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:49 PM
May 2018

More
And let’s not kid ourselves... rotting donkeys stink too. @DNC


602 replies 2,740 retweets 15,869 likes
Reply 602 Retweet 2.7K Like 16K Direct message

Jim Carrey

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@JimCarrey
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Elephants take a long time to decompose... and the stench can be unbearable. @GOP


746 replies 5,136 retweets 28,164 likes
Reply 746 Retweet 5.1K Like 28K Direct message

Jim Carrey

Verified account

@JimCarrey
May 3

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,958 posts)
101. Anyone who trashes Rep. Schiff, someone I
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:27 PM
May 2018

Respect and watch take on Republicans on a regular basis, can go fuck himself. I can't believe Carrey, an actor with a shady history with women who just recently started going after Repugs with cartoon illustrations, is now taking precedence over Adam Schiff, a very hardworking Democrat who is trying his best to stop Nunes on the ground and who I see on MSNBC and CNN all the time. Schiff is walking the walk and talking the talk. Carrey is just tweeting cartoons.

wryter2000

(46,027 posts)
67. You nailed it
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:57 PM
May 2018

I've been trying to find a way to describe his "acting." Jerry Lewis was a no-talent, too, AFAIC.

johnp3907

(3,730 posts)
70. I usually call Carrey a poor man's Sammy Petrillo.
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:59 PM
May 2018

But I realize most people would have to google that name.

demmiblue

(36,834 posts)
21. Scihff has been one of our most outspoken Dems.
Sat May 26, 2018, 05:48 PM
May 2018

I don't get it.

I think I will ignore Carrey until he comes to his senses (or maybe not).

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
24. You're missing the message
Sat May 26, 2018, 05:54 PM
May 2018

Read it again.

It's not JUST about speaking up -- it's about speaking up with passion and anger. Our great leaders need to show some passion, and some anger.

demmiblue

(36,834 posts)
31. Nope, he has always been passionately outspoken.
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:04 PM
May 2018

Sure, some could kick it up a notch, but Schiff is working his strengths (intelligence and knowledge). He has consistently done a great job in taking down the GOP.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
32. He's great -- but not very loud
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:11 PM
May 2018

Needs to be a LOT louder; all of them do.

You're free to think everything's just hunky dory, but I know that there's not nearly enough Democratic outrage happening, and it needs to happen a LOT, and LOUD so that the MSM picks it up and we start countering Trump lies a lot more effectively than we're doing at the moment.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
39. How much outrage?
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:20 PM
May 2018

Should Dems go on TV stomp their feet and yell at the camera?

Thing is, that will not work. In fact, that has a tendency to backfire. We do not need a Dem to be in a repub ad with them pointing to it and saying "look at how much they hate our president".

We need reasoned people who will make their case logically and with a level head. Getting all outraged, hot under the collar and all that isn't going to get us far. It might help a little, but the backfire could be a lot worse.

Oh, and keep in mind that tRump still sucks all the oxygen out of the room and the media trips over themselves to cover it.

The only way for any of this to change is that Dems have to win in November. The repubs run it all right now.

Demovictory9

(32,444 posts)
64. How do Dems win in Nov without making a little noise?
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:55 PM
May 2018

I am scared everyone is assuming an easy takeover for Dems in Nov.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
188. And you thought the best way to alleviate that fear was this nonsense?
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:47 PM
May 2018

Seriously? You think saying Democrats suck is going to encourage us to turn out or something?

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
311. It is not easy. But we are after GOP seats in moderate GOP districts...'noise' can only hurt our
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:28 AM
May 2018

chances...we need to run on the ACA and local issues.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
165. "speak softly, and carry a big stick."
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:01 PM
May 2018
Big Stick ideology
Big Stick ideology, Big Stick diplomacy, or Big Stick policy refers to U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt’s foreign policy: "speak softly, and carry a big stick." Roosevelt described his style of foreign policy as "the exercise of intelligent forethought and of decisive action sufficiently far in advance of any likely crisis".

Big Stick ideology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
209. So we embrace trumps style?
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:39 PM
May 2018

Rant. Rave. Tweet. Champaign 24/7. Scream. Ridicule. All with spittle flying and tearing the opposing party to pieces without a shred of evidence. Alrighty then.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
211. Exactly. Thank you.
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:43 PM
May 2018

High emotions = less thinking. (As we see so often.)

Schiff doesn't deserve this kind of bullshit attack and smearing.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
213. No, Schiff does not deserve these attacks.
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:47 PM
May 2018

Same thing was said about Obama. He did not deserve them either.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
227. Yeah, they're cheering on Adam Schiff as being "castrated"
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:10 AM
May 2018

like they don't have a gd clue what he's done for us.. out on the front lines.

‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/





"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of “executive time” to watch television."




Excellent point, she!
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
340. SURELY, my dear sheshe,
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:34 PM
May 2018

you can think of some options between the two extremes. If not, I'm sure I can't help you.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
182. +1000
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:35 PM
May 2018

I agree, we need to be louder, meaner and more aggressive. There are a number of Democratic politicians who are speaking up, but not nearly enough and not nearly with the outrage that our current situation requires. I support all of them, I just want them to be more fierce because this is really a matter of life and death for some people.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
83. It's not "anger" and "passion" that persuades me
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:08 PM
May 2018

Last edited Sat May 26, 2018, 10:00 PM - Edit history (1)

It’s facts and logic.

My cerebellum and prefrontal cortex have more of a sway on me than my medulla oblongata.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
96. You're not the one who needs to be reached and persuaded
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:19 PM
May 2018

What I'm talking about is this:

59% of Americans don't think the Mueller team has found any crimes.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/389039-poll-majority-of-americans-dont-know-that-mueller-probe-has

Trump lies daily, hourly and there's not enough pushback on his lies. They include lies about Democrats (such as Dems are responsible for the whole Mueller thing).

Trump is literally eviscerating our government, and few people know. Few people HERE know the extent to which it's being hollowed out.

And so much more.

The Democrats MUST find a way to communicate much more of this to the public, and it'll have to be done via the media. That means they have to get media attention. I don't have any CRITICISM of what Dems have done so far, except that they need to do MORE and LOUDER. They HAVE to get more media attention, so they can educate the public more. They have to. It's not an option if we're to save our democracy.

What I'd like to see is something like a weekly NOISY standard press conference in which Schumer and Pelosi (and any others they may appoint) get before before the microphone, and make enough noise that they get COVERED so it appears in print headlines, online news outlet headlines and especially broadcast media coverage too.

Think of this: how many things does Trump do every damned day that if Obama had done it, the Repubs would be screaming bloody murder, relentlessly and endlessly, to get massive press coverage. I'd like to see just a little of that from our side. It's far more justified than ever on the GOP side, but we do none. It's time to do some.

I'm telling you, it's absolutely necessary that we get more coverage on what's going wrong with this administration. Absolutely necessary.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
235. This.
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:26 AM
May 2018
MrScorpio
83. It's not "anger" and "passion" that persuades me

It’s facts and logic.

My cerebellum and prefrontal cortex have more of a sway on me than my medulla oblongata.


Thanks

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
105. So you want him to entertain you with shouting and stomping and overwrought hand-wringing? What...
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:33 PM
May 2018
Our great leaders need to show some passion, and some anger.
So you want him to entertain you with shouting and stomping and overwrought hand-wringing? What exactly would that accomplish?

Personally, I prefer my politicians to be calm and steady... without unnecessary drama and showboating.

I trust our politicians who offer a smart, planned and calculated approach MUCH more than fist pumping hyper-emotional "anger".

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
132. No need. It wouldn't change a thing...
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:07 PM
May 2018

... the meaning is already clear. I'm smarter than many give me credit for.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
178. I agree. I think Adam Schiff is great. But we need more than one voice in our party to
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:29 PM
May 2018

go on the attack against this outrage that is happening in this country. I am not bashing Democrats, I just want them to wake up and fight with more FIRE because the republicans right now are controlling the message and we need to be out there in force fighting against them. It does us no good to think that we can't improve on our message. We can and we need to.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
187. An awful lot of people
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:46 PM
May 2018

just don't get it -- some of them, I truly believe -- simply refuse. Some prefer to be oppositional "just because." And at least one person I know of is simply so hysterical about our current situation (I can identify!) that he's afraid that saying anything bad will somehow doom us all. Or cause Dems not to get elected in November.

Shrug.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
239. Who are you talking about?
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:39 AM
May 2018
And at least one person I know of is simply so hysterical about our current situation (I can identify!) that he's afraid that saying anything bad will somehow doom us all. Or cause Dems not to get elected in November.


I am truly mystified at your meaning and your reference.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
190. So I wonder why is it that Carrey depicted Adam Schiff
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:50 PM
May 2018

as "castrated"?

Just a sample..

‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/



I like Carrey but this is totally wrong.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
313. Start blaming Republicans who don't give a rats ass what we think. And I have seen plenty of
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:33 AM
May 2018

Democrats pushing back...no amount of our words can stop Trump we were kneecapped by 'the party are the same asshats" like it seems Jim Carrey as well as the usual suspects... and we don't have enough power to stop much...our people have done well and the specials are going well...so I say people like Jim Carrey should just stop. Elections have consequences and when you lose as we did in 16, you get nothing.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
22. adam schiff is certainly not one i would accuse of being apathetic.
Sat May 26, 2018, 05:51 PM
May 2018

He is one of the most vocals. Not only that, he probably saved our democracy several times over already. If it was not for him, Nunes and his goons would already have derailed the Mueller investigation.

still_one

(92,115 posts)
35. Exactly, and that Jim Carry is using Adam Schifft as his punching boy makes me wonder where Jim
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:15 PM
May 2018

Carry is coming from

Not only that, does Mr. Carry realize that the republicans control both houses in Congress?

Except for maybe a few Democrats who I can count on a single hand, the vast majority of Democrats in Congress DO speak out against trump, and the draconian poliicies they are pushing


Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
26. You are reading his remarks as being an ATTACK on Democrats?
Sat May 26, 2018, 05:59 PM
May 2018

Maybe you could step back again and refocus, try to see the larger picture.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
194. Exactly, Beaverhausen.. Stupid to depict
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:02 PM
May 2018

Adam Schiff "castrated". Like he's not really paying attention to what his going on. Just trying for fake shock value.

‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/


Cha

(297,034 posts)
257. It's an attack on Adam Schiff.. showing him as "castrated"
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:32 AM
May 2018

is deplorably dissing all the Excellent work he has done for us.


Ferrets are Cool

(21,105 posts)
28. It is a shame that some here hate the truth
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:01 PM
May 2018

He is NOT wrong. MAKE SOME FUCKING NOISE. OUR COUNTRY IS AT STAKE.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
30. You can show all the passion and make all the noise you want.
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:01 PM
May 2018

But if it's all noise it's just fodder for the rw. It's about content and consistency and perseverance, that's what counts. Ok, we do need PR but not just political noise. It's the public that needs to make the noise, our leaders need to make the point.

Takket

(21,550 posts)
37. Schiff is by far the most vocal Dem i see opposing drumpf
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:18 PM
May 2018

This post by Carrey is just silly. Schiff is the last person to be criticizing. He should be criticizing the media that gives drumpf a never-ending platform and almost no rebuttal time to the left.

Demovictory9

(32,444 posts)
51. do you feel the same way after seeing this tweet?
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:45 PM
May 2018

Jim Carrey

Verified account

@JimCarrey
May 22
More
Every morning Trump makes special breakfast sandwiches for House Republicans. Devin Nunes eagerly finishes first and always asks for seconds!

wryter2000

(46,027 posts)
72. Agreed
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:00 PM
May 2018

I won't be looking at any more of his "art" here if I can avoid it, and I feel like I need to take a shower after seeing this.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
260. Carrey should stick to telling the truth about trump and
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:35 AM
May 2018

his doormats.

And, stip Lying about Adam Schiff..


BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
42. The Dem politicians and the media need to
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:22 PM
May 2018

get their asses in gear and SHOW people that we still exist and are not taking this shit lying down. The "liberal media" is still doing the same high ratings "distraction" BS and they jump from one story/scandal to another. Ask follow up questions, put some fight into it! Dems look like they have been beaten down and it is really depressing. No wonder the moron's poll numbers are rising. So is my blood pressure (not really).

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
184. I hear you, and despite the few lone voices in the party that are speaking up, I am afraid on the
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:40 PM
May 2018

whole it looks like Democrats are taking this shit lying down. We need to beat Trump at his own game. We need to take a page from Michael Avanatti's playbook. Sure, he's not a politician, but he's getting noticed and getting under their skin. He is looking like someone who is determined to win.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
192. Anenatti is an excellent example.
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:51 PM
May 2018

That Parkland High School student David Hogg and Anenatti need to teach the Dems a thing or two about PR!

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,831 posts)
44. We've got a deep bench. Each should play to their strengths. Some can make noise. Schiff has a...
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:24 PM
May 2018

...different approach. He speaks up, consistently, authoritatively, and bravely, but he always looks like the adult in the room.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
47. Shame on Jim Carrey. And, his fucking
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:30 PM
May 2018

picture of Adam Schiff can fuck the fuck off.

No way does Adam Schiff deserve to depicted as castrated. Shame on everyone who agrees with him.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
149. Mahalo, stonecutter.. Pele
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:27 PM
May 2018

is on the Big Island and we're on Kauai.

I hope Pele starts simmering down so the Big Islanders can get some Peace and Quiet.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
104. Quite Agree
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:32 PM
May 2018

What a strain it must be, him in his air-conditioned studio, dabbing paint on a canvas, then there's Rep. Schiff, calling out Nunes and his cohorts every which way he can. But hey, what does Schiff know, big man, movie star Carey, thinks he's not doing enough. How about putting your money and feet where your mouth is Big Jim.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
154. Exactly, Me.. Depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated"
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:36 PM
May 2018

is deplorably Disrespecting all the excellent work on the front lines that he has done for us.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
252. Yes, thoses who REC this are Completely Dissing all the Excellent
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:21 AM
May 2018

work that Adam Schiff has done for us.




Thank you

Cha

(297,034 posts)
370. "Adam Schiff VS twittler" is now near the top of the page..
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:26 PM
May 2018


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210663400

As someone posted.. imagine if he weren't "castrated". I was posting this tweet of Adam's last night on this thread.. really appreciate seeing this today.

Oneironaut

(5,491 posts)
61. I agree with the general message only if Schiff represents all Democrats. Schiff has been a good
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:52 PM
May 2018

voice against Trump, but where is the rest of the party? It seems like they're all hiding.

cutroot

(875 posts)
71. Voter apathy was and still is the problem
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:59 PM
May 2018

90 million eligible voters did not bother to vote. Adam Schiff does not hold the reins. The problem stems from the unknown non voters. If Jim Carrey manages to piss them off enough to vote, then I will abide his methodology.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
74. It's all about the timing
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:00 PM
May 2018

He's not wrong, but it's really tough for a minority party to feel their oats.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
155. To depict Adam Schiff as "castrated" is
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:40 PM
May 2018

deplorably disrespecting all the excellent work Adam Schiff as done for us.

It's like Carrey's not paying any attention to what he's doing.

blugbox

(951 posts)
81. This is not an attack on Dems
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:07 PM
May 2018

Carey clearly hates trump and everything he stands for. This is supposed to be taken as a harsh call to action...

Is he saying Dems should give up? Hell no!

Is the picture obscene? Does it make you angry? That's the point! He says himself get mad! Make some fucking noise! Direct that passion at trump!

If prominent Democrats start making noise like Carey is suggesting, the media would be all over it, because that in and of itself is news!

Just because you may not agree with his approach, for the love of the country DON'T turn your back on an ally

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
180. Thank YOU!
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:32 PM
May 2018

I wish more people could understand that. Constructive criticism is not meant to be an attack, the point of it is to make us better and we all know we can be better at fighting the republican narrative.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,729 posts)
98. Screaming and yelling when you don't like something. Now who does that remind me of?
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:23 PM
May 2018

herr drumpf likes to do that, even if it's via Twitter. The last thing that Schiff needs to do is adopt any Trumpian behavior. herr drumpf and cohorts are all about their big swinging dicks. We shouldn't be emulating their arrogance.

Demovictory9

(32,444 posts)
108. remember all the protests and marches in the street after Trump "won"?
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:39 PM
May 2018

Nothing wrong with speaking up. The opposition wants us quiet. When Bush "won" we quietly folded under the "sore loserman" onslaught. We barely said a peep when the GOP denied Obama the supreme court pick. OMG!!! How much more will be take? The orange man is dismantling the country.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
119. Exactly. Look at the ones at the left we all loved to start out with. Graysen, Weiner, Kussinich.
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:51 PM
May 2018

It really does not film well.

George II

(67,782 posts)
99. I like Jim Carray but he's way off on this. Hasn't he seen how Schiff has been standing up...
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:26 PM
May 2018

...against the republicans for the last year or more?

Knowing what Schiff has been doing, that "cartoon" is offensive.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
106. People hate Schiff because he's not "showboating" and putting on an act to entertain them.
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:36 PM
May 2018

Clearly, all they want is for him to be entertaining with shouting and stomping and overwrought hand-wringing.

But I wonder: What exactly would that accomplish?

Personally, I prefer my politicians to be calm and steady... without unnecessary drama and showboating.

I trust our politicians who offer a smart, planned and calculated approach MUCH more than fist pumping hyper-emotional "anger".

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
113. Like Obama.
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:48 PM
May 2018
Personally, I prefer my politicians to be calm and steady... without unnecessary drama and showboating.

I trust our politicians who offer a smart, planned and calculated approach MUCH more than fist pumping hyper-emotional "anger".


Next thing you know they will ask Mueller to do the same.

Fact is, slow and steady wins the race.
 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
121. That is what it is. The thirst to be entertained. Yea fox. Interesting.
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:52 PM
May 2018

One can look at Sanders rallies in the past that did not show up in the vote.

PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
103. Yeah, baby!!!
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:30 PM
May 2018

I'm with you 1000'%.

Treason every other word.

Massive civil disobedience.

Massive contacts with US Congresspeople.

Let's make some fucking noise!!!

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
109. I love Jim Carey
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:39 PM
May 2018

to bits. And Ive thought about printing out his art many times and plastering it on my walls. But hes wrong here. The reason I love Adam Schiff is because he’s even keeled, calm as a cucumber...grace under fire. This is also how I like my presidents to be. And my dem politicians. Last think we want are people in our party on the level of wingnuts like Nunes, and his band of freedom caucus brothers.

You dont have to get angry to get your point across. Level headed people prevail.

jalan48

(13,853 posts)
111. The Republican's control the Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches of our Government so
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:44 PM
May 2018

yeah-it's time to make some noise.

Freethinker65

(10,008 posts)
116. Castrating the donkey, as representation of the party in general, I could perhaps understand
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:49 PM
May 2018

Not necessarily agree with, but understand the frustration.

Castrating Schiff, one of few vocal Democrats making headlines in the media fighting for this country and its constitution, is off target and not especially helpful. We need more Democrats willing to speak out and go on record and camera like Schiff.

Also, the same satirical cartoon could be made of any GOP male unwilling to stand up to Trump.

It is also nothing new, and in fact kind of lazy, to attack men's perceived lack of strengths and abilities by attacking their sexual prowess.

Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #116)

rso

(2,271 posts)
118. Carrey
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:50 PM
May 2018

I agree that the drawing of Schiff is over the top, but I also agree with Jim’s point. Prominent democrats need to start tweeting nicknames for Trump, Don the Con is a good one for starters. The media will definitely pay attention to that, which will cause 45 to react. It is in democrats’ advantage to keep a back and forth with 45, as it will distract him to no end and his anger is likely to cause him to obsess on the nicknames. This way, he is far more likely to disregard areas where he can do real damage, cause him to probably overreact, and most importantly, get media attention for democrats.

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
300. I agree with the basic premise
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:29 AM
May 2018

That Democrats need to be stronger. We are in unprecedented times, the same ole same ole, won't work. Everyone I talk to ask- why aren't the Democrats tougher? Why aren't we hearing anything from the our elected officials? My mom called the office of our Senator Nelson, because she is afraid that our machines may be compromised. She received a very dismissive response. She will vote for him but is she enthused, NO.
I believe we are in the gutter/ swamp/ trenches and we have to fight our way out. I like the Avenatti way. I love Maxine Waters, I wish more of our elected officials were like her. Look at what happened to Sen. Franken. Our party needs to wake up and realize we have the mob in the Whitehouse, we have a Russian agent in the Whitehouse. Our democracy is under siege. Nice speeches won't work.
The words are Jim's not mine, so no I don't agree with every single word but I get his frustration. We all have our opinions and this is mine.

mcar

(42,294 posts)
122. This is revolting
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:52 PM
May 2018

I cannot believe the positive responses to this on this thread.

Adam Schiff is out there fighting every day. WTF is Carrey even talking about?

This is why Democrats lose - all this misplaced hate and purity politics.

 

DemoHack

(90 posts)
123. Adam Schiff is fantastic.
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:55 PM
May 2018

He's one of the last Democrats that should be criticized for not going after Trump aggressively enough.

My $.02.

 

DemoHack

(90 posts)
275. Great list!
Sun May 27, 2018, 04:49 AM
May 2018

Yeah, Schiff has been a consistent fighter. I don't know what more he could do. We have to win back the House, so he can be CHAIR of the House Intelligence Committee!

And ideally, Nunes gets Blue Wave'd...

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
124. Agree totally. I fear
Sat May 26, 2018, 07:55 PM
May 2018

...the Dems don't have it in them.

In fact, I'm shocked this thread is not blocked.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
134. This Thread Is A Great Example of a RW/ Russian Campaign
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:15 PM
May 2018

Does any true progressive or Democrat think that Adam Schiff is a problem for Democrats? No.

When folks are pushing the same attacks as Trump, then you better take a close look. It happened in 2016.

Notice all the one line attacks on Democrats on DU in this thread. This is how it works.

Lunabell

(6,068 posts)
361. So, just because my opinion is different than yours
Sun May 27, 2018, 03:11 PM
May 2018

Im falling for Russian propaganda? Smh Get a grip. We don't all fall in lock step. We're all unique here.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
371. So, Do Russian Trolls Attacking Dems...
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:34 PM
May 2018

...admit that they are part of a propaganda campaign to undercut Democrats or do they insist that they are honest to goodness Amerikanskis?

Frankly, if a poster is repeating the same talking points as Trumps should they even be on this Board?

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
131. Welp, Jim ain't wrong
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:06 PM
May 2018

But we cant hold any feet to the fire, can we? Gotta hold that polite, even, political line. Milquetoasts abound, and their defenders even more so. Easier to preach to the choir I suppose than light a fire in the belly.

BannonsLiver

(16,351 posts)
349. Actually in this particular case Jim is quite wrong.
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:32 PM
May 2018

That he picked Schiff says he’s uninformed. Just another Surandon type.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
352. "That he picked Schiff says he's uninformed. Just another Surandon type."
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:41 PM
May 2018

Exactly. They yell the loudest taking all the air in a room. Reason, fact, reality is not a part of the conversation. Yet, this is what he, and Sanders and the far left are demanding we participate in. How is that different from the right?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
136. Shame On You Carrey
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:17 PM
May 2018

I guess all the grief Rep. Schiff gets from Comrade Trump isn't enough for you and you have to take your cheap shot.

Chickensoup

(650 posts)
137. Every single reply is right.
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:21 PM
May 2018

It shows how seriously in trouble
we are. This is not about democrats or
Republicans. This is about saving
Our country from barbaric attack from within and aided by a super power who has been our enemy for the last 70 yrs and continues to be. Many conflicting interests share one goal which is dislodging Americas from its position as the leader of democracy, freedom and the leading economic power in the world.
so they Pursue an unbelievable campaign of lies, fake news and personal attacks against those who stand in their way. This is a war no less vicious than a military conflict and far more dangerous as it touches and threatens to dismantle the very institutions our country is built on. All of that coupled with unprecedented and unchecked corruption by those in power makes for a perfect storm.
We need leadership strong enough to stand and pound the table with fierce political conviction. Leadership that does not bend in the wind of attacks, that does not shy away from doing what is right no mater how difficult in order to save our country for future generations.

nini

(16,672 posts)
319. Please explain how we get the media to give air time our side
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:16 AM
May 2018

Beyond what they do now. It's not that we dont have leaders who speak out as much as the right wing media is too busy carrying the water for the fascist repubs.

emulatorloo

(44,101 posts)
138. Adam Schiff is tough as hell and he sure isn't the 'enemy' you all are trying to make him out to be
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:21 PM
May 2018

Looks like this is Carrey’s bullshit attempt at being “fair and balanced” so the Trumpys won’t get so offended. Fine.

Doesn’t mean DU’ers need to cheerlead this nonsense and smear Schiff.

emulatorloo

(44,101 posts)
140. An excellent reply to Carrey's tweet
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:28 PM
May 2018



“Schiff has been balls out confronting since Day 1. We don't need another circus clown beating the drum or tv personality causing drama. @RepAdamSchiff is a statesman with grace which it seems people have long fucking forgotten. Make no mistake-he's fucking on top of this shitshow”

Of course fucking DU has to be fucking DU and attack Schiff baselessly

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
142. An alert-worthy post that has sadly remained up, and on the front page
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:36 PM
May 2018

This divisiveness help no one but the GOP. We don't need an anti-vaxxer lunatic like Carrey on our side.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
145. i guess I don't get it. WHY IS HE BLAMING THE DEMOCRATS???
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:51 PM
May 2018

The Dotard always blames us democrats anyway.

ecstatic

(32,677 posts)
146. What many people here fail to realize is that the calm demeanor
Sat May 26, 2018, 08:55 PM
May 2018

helps to normalize trump. If someone is calm and smiling when talking about the investigations, etc., then the viewer will feel relaxed and think nothing too bad is going on.

I fully understand the reflex defensiveness in response to sentiments like this-- I'm a staunch democrat, loyal, defensive, and do NOT like airing dirty laundry on public forums... But on this, I have to speak out because I'd rather we change course now than find ourselves at the losing end of another election.

The same people who are shouting down people like me and Jim Carrey for speaking about this are probably the same people who said trump would never be the GOP nominee, and then said that trump would never win the election. Now that the worst has happened, twice, maybe it's time to STFU and listen for a change?

Here's the problem, we have excellent, smart, hard working democrats working on our behalf. But it seems like our side is lacking when it comes to the POLITICAL aspect of the job. I know there's a balance and tradeoff with regard to brains/competence and political instincts. Very few can do both, and those who can are pretty much rockstars in our party.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
174. No, demanding others behave like trump is normalizing him
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:17 PM
May 2018

He went after THE person who has most been going after trump and calling out the shit.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
214. No one is suggesting Dems should "act like trump".
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:50 PM
May 2018

Pushing Democrats to show some passion when they're fighting these monsters is not the same wanting them to act like trump. Elizabeth Warren, for example, is passionate fighter for our cause. She's a total badass. She acts nothing like trump, shes just strong.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
215. Adam Schiff is a badass also. not everyone is the same. many of us find people like Adam Schiff
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:51 PM
May 2018

appealing.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
222. True, but I wasn't really talking about trump supporters.
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:04 AM
May 2018

There are still a lot of potential Democratic Voters who still aren't voting, but would be motivated by a strong, passionate, clear progressive message. The robotic, calculated manner many Dems exude is not appealing to those unmotivated. Again, I am in no way saying that Democrats should act like the shitheads on the right. I'm saying they should deliver a clear, thought out message with passion. They should act as though they really care. Talk about these issues with the sense of urgency that should accompany them, lives depend on us!

Cha

(297,034 posts)
230. Carrey is Wrong depicting Adam Schiff as "Castrated"..
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:15 AM
May 2018
‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/





"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of “executive time” to watch television."




It's just fucking WRONG.
 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
242. You've repeated this thread multiple times in this OP. I get it, Schiff jabbed at trump in response
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:50 AM
May 2018

to one of his babbling tweets. And sure, it may have been tasteless to suggest that the Congressman's genitals had been removed, but thats not the point.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
244. You know I wasn't repeating this for you.. I'm posting
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:56 AM
May 2018

this to other members. I posted this once to you. Feel free not to read my posts to others.

And, yes depicting Adam Schiff as "Castrated" is exactly the point.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
247. You posted this in response to my thread and I was pointing out that whether or
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:03 AM
May 2018

not Schiff's testicles are still attached to his body is not relevant to my point that Democrats should be more vocally passionate in their fight. Lives depend on them. As Keith Ellison so eloquently put it "We don't have the right to lose a damn election!"

Cha

(297,034 posts)
248. I replied to your post.. I would like it if the
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:09 AM
May 2018

fucking M$M gave the Dems more of a chance to speak.. but Carrey depicting Schiff like this is just Wrong.. and trump like.. using fucking hyperbolic LIES to describe Adam Schiff.


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
177. Oh good god! GMAFB! He's doing no such thing and you know it! He's not "normalizing" Trump!
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:28 PM
May 2018
...calm demeanor helps to normalize trump.
Oh good god! GMAFB! He's doing no such thing and you know it! He's not "normalizing" Trump!

Schiff isn't here to entertain anyone with fits of rage, stomping, shouting, wagging his finger, flailing his arms, gesticulating wildly, having a temper tantrum and foaming at the mouth. We don't need our Democratic leaders to become some caricatured personification of someone's wild rage and uncontrolled anger fantasies.

But it seems like our side is lacking when it comes to the POLITICAL aspect of the job.
Jesus! Stop it! It really serves no good purpose to smear good Democrats and the Democratic party this way. It's divisive and it's the cause of distrust. It weakens the party. Weakening the party only benefits the GOP.

Now that the worst has happened, twice, maybe it's time to STFU and listen for a change?
Oh brother!


ecstatic

(32,677 posts)
365. The pic was inappropriate, but I agree with the point,
Sun May 27, 2018, 03:50 PM
May 2018

and not specifically in regard to Schiff. Schiff is who he is, and obviously it's unrealistic to ask someone to change personalities. But members who have aggressive, more dramatic personalities need to be out front right now. We need our own Avenatti. Americans are not aware of everything that's been uncovered as we head into the midterms. That's unacceptable.

Big segment about our push back against trump on AM Joy today, with Congresswoman Maxine Waters appearing to agree that we need to do more.

?t=1m38s

betsuni

(25,447 posts)
164. So ... everything should be like a reality show, lots of conflict and "showing your passion"?
Sat May 26, 2018, 09:57 PM
May 2018

Are we incapable of listening unless someone's yelling?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
179. It seems that way, doesn't it? Amazing how some want...
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:32 PM
May 2018

It seems that way, doesn't it? Amazing how some want Schiff to entertain them with fits of rage, stomping, shouting, wagging his finger, flailing his arms, gesticulating wildly, having a temper tantrum and foaming at the mouth.

Personally, I trust intellect over raw emotion. We don't need our Democratic leaders to become some caricatured personification of someone's wild rage and uncontrolled anger fantasies.

I fail to understand why this type of bullshit is so gleefully celebrated. It really serves no good purpose to smear good Democrats and the Democratic party this way. It's divisive and it's the cause of distrust. It weakens the party. Weakening the party only benefits the GOP.

betsuni

(25,447 posts)
193. And it's easier to make mistakes while emotional.
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:58 PM
May 2018

Democrats would only get mocked, like the Howard Dean scream.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
210. Good point, betsuni. I've never seen those
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:39 PM
May 2018

shows but now I can imagine from your description.



"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of “executive time” to watch television."




Would love to see a David and Goliath story here.

betsuni

(25,447 posts)
229. I watch cooking competition shows and "show us your passion" is big.
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:12 AM
May 2018

Compared to shows from the UK, Australia/NZ, and Canada, that are actually about the food and people are nice, the American ones are obnoxiously centered on conflict and too much sexism.

Americans come off as big selfish angry babies who think they deserve anything they want just because they want it badly. It's all "I deserve to win this because I want it the most, I have the most passion," and "I didn't come here to make friends, I came to win." And they all have sob stories, even if the only sob story is that their elderly grandmother in Italy that they haven't seen for twenty years is dying -- they have to win in order to pay for the ticket over there to say goodbye! Or their mother died, they say, weeping. When did she die? Oh, fifteen yeas ago, but it's been hard for me! My cat died four years ago, I'm still devastated! And yet I watch this crap sometimes... Purely for anthropological reasons don't you know.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
236. From your take on those shows.. American
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:30 AM
May 2018

and the other countries.. I prefer it to be about Cooking and who has the best presentation.. and not about who can show how angry they are or how badly they want it.

Adam Schiff is brilliant and is getting the job done.. you can't change someone because Loud And Angry isn't their style.

Depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated" is Deplorably Dissing all the Excellent work he's done for us.. I cannot believe how many have REC this thread that think it's okay to say Adam Schiff is essentially "castrated".

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
189. Oh, Canada
Sat May 26, 2018, 10:48 PM
May 2018

Thank you to all our neighbors.

Mr. Carrey, wish you were my son. I agree.

Stand UP America or shut the "F" up worthless politicians and let US show you the way.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
223. Carrey is dead Wrong depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated"..
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:04 AM
May 2018
‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/





"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of “executive time” to watch television."


50 Shades Of Blue

(9,958 posts)
232. Thank you. That anyone would start a thread to share with approval
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:22 AM
May 2018

Carrey's own unbelievably childish, Trump-like, and vindictive attack on Adam Schiff, a man who totally doesn't deserve it, pisses me off so much when I've watched so many of his interviews, followed his efforts to try to get between Nunes and his latest target, and read so many of his Tweets. The last place is would expect to see an attack on a Trump-fighting Democrat like Rep. Schiff just because he uses his intelligence, experience, and reason instead of counter-productively emulating Trump is DU. But I was wrong. I guess there are more Trump admirers here than I thought.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
240. Excellent Point, 50 Shades! Carrey's portrayal of Schiff..
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:45 AM
May 2018

is trumpian in it's nasty hyperbolic stupidity. trump is the one who is "castrated" by those who rigged him into office.

Mahalo for relating all the experiences you've had watching Adam Schiff in Action!

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,958 posts)
246. My pleasure! Schiff deserves to be supported! Trump is probably gloating over
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:02 AM
May 2018

Carrey's cartoon. Btw, he and Carrey have more than attacking Rep. Schiff in common; they're both anti-vaxxers.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
250. Here's another Tweet supporting Schiff you'll
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:16 AM
May 2018

be interested in..



Yes, I'm sure trump is gloating over Carrey's depiction of Adam Schiff.

Didn't know trump was an anti-vaxer.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,958 posts)
258. That was a great tweet - "statesman" is perfect description of Rep. Schiff.
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:34 AM
May 2018

I guess it's more accurate to say Trump believes vaccinations cause autism.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
226. Having read the comments,
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:07 AM
May 2018

I have not changed my position. Congress should work for US, not in the interests of party, themselves or for profit. I am not saying the Honorable Mr. Schiff is in this category, just firing a warning shot.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
212. Carrey's absolutely right. Civility is wasted on Republicans.
Sat May 26, 2018, 11:46 PM
May 2018

Time to turn our nasty knob to 11.

Republicans are cockroaches and murderers. Don't anthropomorphize them.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
221. Carrey is absolutely Wrong.. depicting Adam Schiff as "castrated"
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:01 AM
May 2018
‘Liegate’: Rep. Adam Schiff calls out Trump on ‘Spygate’ claim

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2018/05/24/%E2%80%98liegate-rep.-adam-schiff-calls-out-trump-%E2%80%98spygate-claim/35311303/





"For his part, the Democratic congressman fired right back at Trump, mocking his reportedly frequent use of “executive time” to watch television."


50 Shades Of Blue

(9,958 posts)
303. But Carrey didn't turn the knob to nasty on Republicans with this piece of shit.
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:41 AM
May 2018

He turned to the knob to nasty on a Trump-fighting Democrat. He gave a gift to Republicans with this unwarranted attack on a relentless Trump foe.

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
224. I love Carrey's art. It's been relentless and biting, but
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:04 AM
May 2018

I don't believe Schiff deserves this. He speaks out almost daily, it's just his personality to speak in a quiet and repectful manner. We had a firebrand in Franken, but he's gone, and sorry guys, I'm still a little mad at Dems for that.

I'd love to see a Democrat out there raising hell, but it must be in their nature to do it. Warren is doing it, Booker is too. Schiff is good and unwavering in his criticism of the asshole in chief, but he won't be yelling, Jim, and that's ok too. The man is working his butt off.

Demovictory9

(32,444 posts)
264. the guy fighting Trump the hardest is Stormy Daniel's attorney. He is fearless
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:45 AM
May 2018

E. Warren has been speaking up longer than just about anyone... about a system rigged for the wealthy.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
272. And, so has Adam Schiff! trump tries to denigrate him and
Sun May 27, 2018, 03:27 AM
May 2018

now some Dems are agreeing that he's been "castrated" which is a flagrant lie.

I hope Adam Schiff never has to see that shit.






Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

nini

(16,672 posts)
253. We sure love to attack the Dems who are working the hardest to take 45 down
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:22 AM
May 2018

I am so sick of this shit on here.

nini

(16,672 posts)
317. I honestly dont know why i come here anymore
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:09 AM
May 2018

When the majority of the posts are anti Democrats, it defeats the purpose of what this place used to be. I prefer bashing the fascist republicans than tearing down the side that actually is on the right side of what is good about this country. I guess i need to keep adding to my ignore list.

Cha

(297,034 posts)
321. We Dems who support the
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:19 AM
May 2018

Democratic Party and Adam Schiff love you coming here.. a breath of Fresh Air!

mahina

(17,637 posts)
266. BS. Schiff is a badass.
Sun May 27, 2018, 02:15 AM
May 2018

We should take this opportunity to stand up for campaign finance revolution, true.

Schiff is fighting hard. It's easy to throw mud. Not so easy to do the work.

If Schiff thought throwing a fit would work, I'm sure he'd do it every day.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
267. That ain't Schiff's style. I get what he's saying, but calling Schiff out by name ain't flyin.
Sun May 27, 2018, 02:16 AM
May 2018

The guy is a former prosecutor and a professional with dignity and decorum.

He fucking came up with LIEGATE....which I've been faithfully using. Did Jim help hashtag that around.??????
The paint fumes went to his head on this one.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,958 posts)
299. Carrey just gave Trump himself a piece of handdrawn propaganda to use
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:23 AM
May 2018

Against Schiff. A classic attack on a Trump fighting Democrat. It's truly a shameful moment. I'm disgusted that I saw it here of all places.

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,958 posts)
318. Neither will I! It's one thing for Carrey to take cheap shots at Repugs because
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:11 AM
May 2018

they have it coming! Adam Schiff does NOT!

Cha

(297,034 posts)
325. Yeah, and they'd have the M$M with
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:30 AM
May 2018

them all the way.. just like now.



Carrey is Wrong to draw Rep Adam Schiff as castrated.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
328. No. They treat everything as a debate and normalize him instead of saying
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:34 AM
May 2018

He is lying.

They give him airtime to spew his bs.

They ask " was trump being spied on" instead of saying"trump is lying about being spied on".

nini

(16,672 posts)
337. Do you see Schiff, Waters, Feinstein, Pelosi on those shows?
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:16 PM
May 2018

nah.. they don't give our side the time to really say what's going on. Just their light dusting of what is going on. Most Americans have no real idea how bad this is because they don't get to hear the hardcore truth in the MSM.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
331. No. They would go after Democratsin birth certificates, war records , emails
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:37 AM
May 2018

Benghazi and other bs .

Other Democrats would not out up with real corruption of pruitt , Russia etc the way republicans do.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
333. Democrats don't control congress. Adam schiff is doing what he can
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:48 AM
May 2018

But it's not his fault so many white people are more angry ay black people silently protesting abuse while defending trump trash corruption.

Demovictory9

(32,444 posts)
344. the GOP hold the senate, house, supreme court, most of the state houses, the presidency
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:44 PM
May 2018

McConnell is selecting young nutty bigotted judges for lifetime posts at a record pace. Trump is dismantling civil rights.

we aren't tough on crap!! Sorry that people who like Schiff got their feelings hurt. Maybe Carrey went overboard, he probably did it in a moment of frustration.

Let's check back in November...if the GOP still hold everything, it's over for America. Trump will accelerate his dismantling of America.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
356. Still, HRC won by three million. How many unprecedented events worked against HRC?
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:50 PM
May 2018

And still she won by three million. All the way down to possible flipped votes to win states to get Electoral win.

For two years, the Democratic Party has worked head on to stop the damages they can step in front of.

They are systemically working wins across the nation in a focused manner with one goal to take back the house and possibly senate.

Serious stuff.

And then you state they do nothing.

This does not make sense. You are not paying attention.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
362. I don't see where he/she
Sun May 27, 2018, 03:23 PM
May 2018

stated "they do nothing". "Aren't tough on crap" is not the same as doing nothing.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
363. If the crap is like Carrey's attack Schiff being castrated, then you are right. I bet Schiff or the
Sun May 27, 2018, 03:28 PM
May 2018

Democratic Leaders will not address this crap. I can pretty much guarantee it. Nor should they. They almost never wade into crap.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
329. I can't believe people are reccing this piece of crap.
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:35 AM
May 2018

What the hell is this clown talking about??? Adam Schiff has been all over the place making "some f'ing noise." So have Maxine Waters and others. Does he realize that the only way the Trump's ass-kissing media will recognize them is if they actually dropped their pants in public,or committed some other outrageous act? And, what the hell does Carrey think the media whores would do to them if THAT happened??? What universe does he live in?

samnsara

(17,615 posts)
330. amen! Im tired of them saying out of date sayings like 'Over the Moon'...
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:37 AM
May 2018

and whats with 'beyond the pale'...or is it pail..? what does it mean and why? Cant we just yell at them and use the f bomb once inna while? Ppl yelled at me cuz I liked how Alan Greyson lit into the Repugs and Anthony the weenier man did as well! As did Al Franken.

Hekate

(90,618 posts)
343. Who the eff is Jim Carrey & why is he calling one of our best a castrato? That's disgusting...
Sun May 27, 2018, 12:39 PM
May 2018

Carrey can go to hell for that.

jmowreader

(50,546 posts)
346. Until Carrey renounces his antivax bullshit publicly, screw him
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:05 PM
May 2018

He’s up to his unfunny eyeballs in Jenny McCarthy’s antivax crap. Lately he’s changed to “I’m not antivax I’m antimercury” which is strange considering thimerosal isn’t bioavailable and it’s not in single-dose vaccine vials.

So...now he’s attacking Democrats who are going after Trump. Cry me a river, Carrey.

RelativelyJones

(898 posts)
347. Jim is right. Dems always try to win a Mr/Ms Reasonable debate trophy
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:17 PM
May 2018

I recently saw Sen. Markey discussing Trump's North Korean diplotainment. It was about as inspiring as a bag of wet kleenex.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
354. This has been a good thread, making it clear what the Democratic Party is up against, from people
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:44 PM
May 2018

claiming to be on our side. From within. I really appreciate so much conversation walking thru this message being sent out to gas light the base of the Democratic Party. For the next couple years, we are going to have to constantly address this because it is the weapon of choice, now. We learned from 2016. Right?

 

northremembers

(63 posts)
357. Right Message, wrong method
Sun May 27, 2018, 01:55 PM
May 2018

I'm not even sure where to start. When I look at the other posts in this thread, along with many other threads I hear the same things: "We need more money", "We need to redraw the districts", "We need to get rid of the electoral college". Democrats have been losing ground for decades. Before Russian influence, before Twitter, before even Fox. Democrats started losing ground when we controlled the ability to draw the congressional districts. We don't need to change the rules to win elections and we should be mindful of the message we send to mainstream voters by repeating that message.

We lose because the general public feels disconnected from us on a fundamental ideological level. Most voters don't even know what we stand for, just what we are against. How many posts in this thread, including Jim Carrey's, are about "Beat Trump"? There is coverage of #metoo resulting in a wave of women running for office. Most of the message in that coverage is about women out for revenge for poor treatment in the workplace. It turns out many of these women have great ideas about how to improve their communities and our country, but those ideas are lost in the overall message of anger.

Liberalism and conservatism function on different dynamics. Anger is a conservative dynamic because it is destructive and divisive. Conservatism needs us divided to be successful. Liberalism needs cooperation to be successful. Anger cannot produce cooperation. Our heroes are not anarchists. They are leaders who inspire us.

Inspiration is our dynamic. How are we going to move our communities and country forward? How can we solve problems we have in common together? Negative campaigning helps conservatives, but not liberals. it's not so much that we have to follow a higher standard, but a positive standard.

So, who is running in this election, at any level, that inspires us?

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
360. I do not think they have lost ground. Manipulation had to be in place for Republicans to win.
Sun May 27, 2018, 02:04 PM
May 2018

2000, 2004, 2016. Losses for the Democratic Party, with the Popular vote, with unprecedented interference from court, local manipulation and suppression of votes, citizens untied.

They are doing this for a reason. They would lose otherwise. We are not losing the nation, the republicans have to be dishonest to win.

I think it needs to be clear as a nation, we go blue.

 

northremembers

(63 posts)
375. Look around
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:57 PM
May 2018

The Republicans have controlled congress for 18 of the last 22 years. Most states have had Republican governors for the same amount of time. Most states have Republican legislatures. Again, all this goes back to before all the media schemes we complain about existed.

You're right about the popular vote. People in cities are less willing to be divided by what Republicans throw at us, but they aren't immune. Trump won in districts and states traditionally considered blue. We (Democrats) play into the divisiveness. Our base is a coalition of different demographics. One of the fundamental ways Democrats fail is by not maintaining a platform and ideology that presents our diversity a common set of objectives.

We are all in this together. Including the white, Christian, males. We can't communicate that with a campaign slogan. We have to say it with our platform and policies. Many Democratic politicians throw out policies on the campaign trail just to attract certain voter demographics. It's very easy for Republicans to take those policies to mainstream voters and say "See, the Democrats are out to get you".

By focusing on how we want to improve our communities for everyone we give mainstream voters something they want to be a part of. It takes more effort, and time, to set up. Without it our country will continue to be divided.

Demovictory9

(32,444 posts)
364. great post!
Sun May 27, 2018, 03:31 PM
May 2018


Yes. what inspires us to vote Democratic... I can say - fear of what republicans and their phony ideals.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
367. Carrey's way of saying, "On both sides, on both sides."
Sun May 27, 2018, 04:09 PM
May 2018

As a career-balancing move, he probably figured he should direct some fire at Democrats, so he can say, “Hey, I’m an equal opportunity satirist— see, I drew a nutless Adam Schiff.”

However, Schiff is worth a 1,000,000 Jim Carreys.

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
368. Jim Carrey is an anti-vaxx anti-science conspiracy loon not that much different than trump
Sun May 27, 2018, 05:42 PM
May 2018

Until he changes his positions he can go f*** himself.

 

stmac

(22 posts)
374. I think of it not as an attack, but a push...
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:55 PM
May 2018

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I’m pretty damn sure which side Jim is on and I fully support his cartoon. No amount of bullying or repetition is going to change that. The posts implying he’s a Russian operative are laughable.

We are living in unprecedented times, being perilously close to Fascism, Preemptive nuclear war, surrendering our institutions to foreign enemies, turning back civil and racial progress by decades. This will take generations to repair!!!

samir.g

(835 posts)
379. this is terribly insensitive towards everyone who has something other than typical male genitalia
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:11 PM
May 2018

Good to know that Carey thinks women and trans people are less important than men with dicks.

doc03

(35,321 posts)
380. Damn right, the only Democrats I see that has the guts to
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:26 PM
May 2018

say anything is Eric Swalwell and Adam Schiff. Where is lets not talk impeachment Pollsi?

doc03

(35,321 posts)
398. I know he is one of the few that says anything. It's unbeleiveable
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:18 AM
May 2018

we have the most corrupt Benedict Arnold presidency in history and our side lets them control
the media. Our chances of taking the House have apparently evaporated. They are winning! How can that be possible?
We had what a 12 point or so advantage a couple months ago and now it's down to 2 or 3 points! Where are the other 47 Senators
and the rest of the House? Where the hell is Polosi? One of the few Senators that says anything is Manchin and he backs Trump on most things.

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