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motion to change trump's name to "fucking liar" @BravenakBlogI found these stunning old photos of Ivanka Trump.
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CaliforniaPeggy
(149,607 posts)I feel a mixture of outraged anger and overwhelming sorrow.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The power you speak of is the power of crossing a boundary of decency. How would you feel if an old picture of you loving your baby was used as an attack on both of you personally?
The author could have used an unidentified mother and baby, but what would that do to the "profundity" of your emotional reaction?
Trumpsters know no unidentified woman could possibly be as good a target for eliciting their powerful emotions than Hillary.
What's the difference?
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...it's NOT an old photo.
Ivanka posted this in the very midst of anguish and outrage over ICE's separation of immigrant children from their parents this week.
I wonder what is in the minds of people who work themselves up to criticize those of us opposing this administration- jump in the middle of threads with their self-righteousness - yet FAIL TO GET THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT, both with the folks on our side, and even fail to have their facts straight about the ones we're opposing.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Introspection is a good thing. A big reason Republicans don't know they're doing wrong is because their label tells them they're the good guys, no need to examine themselves. They think label is morality.
Anyway, this is one of the things that's making me sick of it all today. Goodbye.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...you have a distorted sense of reality. Did you forget that you threw out a pack of bull in your first post?
The people you're defending are LITERALLY DESTROYING LIVES.
You must feel so proud coming on here trying to shame me for criticizing them.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's bemusing you conflate the accuracy of satire with "slimy trumpster-level behavior."
Whatever happens, never read Mark Twain or Douglas Adams... if your pristine ethical barometer blows a gasket over low level Juvenalian satire, I can only imagine the explosive reaction should you be presented with a Horatian satire that truly skewers the establishment.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts). . . related to photos taken at an Arizona holding area for immigrant children in 2014? Don't you think it's a bit disingenuous, in fact, for someone to have used those particular photos to supposedly oppose the Trump administration at this particular time . . . now, when the ACLU is claiming abuse of immigrant children between 2009 and 2014?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2014/06/18/arizona-immigrant-children-holding-area-tour/10780449/
http://www.newsweek.com/customs-and-border-control-beat-kicked-and-threatened-migrant-children-under-941385
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bigtree
(85,996 posts)Last edited Mon May 28, 2018, 09:56 AM - Edit history (1)
...I don't deserve you telling me to 'grow up' for posting this satire/contrast of Ivanka's tone-deaf tweet with the reality her father is subjecting thousands of immigrant families to.
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You good with this while this administration is stripping children from families? You have some problem with people angry with this mindless arrogance from the Trumps? Tough shit.
You shouldn't expect anyone to respect this family which is grifting America as it deliberately destroys families across the nation. Remember, Ivanka isn't just a family member, she's a MEMBER OF THIS ADMINISTRATION!
(edit: removed Shaun King's tweet, as it's really not the point of anything and I'm not interested in debating it repeatedly.
And, I can't believe my age-addled mind posted that I'm 54, I'm every bit of 57, with an absent mind to fit)
hexola
(4,835 posts)Do you really want our politicians to be so phony and and contrived that they do nothing but please you?
So many ways to critique her - this is just - basically - fucking baldface lies.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)..in response to NAZI tactics.
It's not accusing her of the offensive acts. It's a statement of her obtuseness and indifference to it all. It's amazing it needs to be explained to anyone here that Ivanka Trump isn't just some innocent child posting pics.
She's engaging in propaganda which intended to soften the horror her father, and the ADMINISTRATION SHE'S ACTIVELY PART OF, is inflicting on immigrant families.
But let's defend her like she's some kind of China doll.
hexola
(4,835 posts)Thats not satire - that's lying.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...I reposted something I thought was relevant and thought-provoking.
I don't appreciate the personal attacks. I actually resent them. You made your point, but I guess shaming me was supposed to be part of that. I'm not having any of it, and if it continues, you'll not be speaking to me at all. Maybe you can shortcut all of that and just...
There's NOTHING here undeserved of the Trumps, and if they were somehow slandered by this, it's close enough to the truth, which is almost certainly WORSE than this thought-provoking satire, to be well-deserved.
(I didn't ask for your original response to me to be removed)
Eyeball_Kid
(7,431 posts)IMO, your photos convey your point in a powerful way. The Trumps ARE savvy propagandists and little else. That others do not appreciate your effort is THEIR issue, not yours. I think of the infamous quote from Marie Antoinette: Let them eat cake. Thats Ivanka. Thats Trump.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)"Let them eat cake". Burn in hell, Ivanka.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.and spot on photos.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Change the channel.
Fugg 'em!
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)they are not very swift. Fuck em.
kcr
(15,315 posts)I'm not sure I believe some didn't get it. I think they got it perfectly well and that's their problem with it.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)She is a shameless supporter of her father's disgusting, hateful, racist policies. Surely she knew that this photo was going to be like rubbing salt in the wounds of those who have had their children ripped from their arms. There is no excuse for this heartless, pampered bitch.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)yes there are, and this sweet photo she posted of her holding her son is tone deaf, callous, and inappropriate for this time...
Ivanka Trump is part of the Administration and a lot of people are hurting from policies set forth by it...
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)just to show that she occasionally goes home to visit her kids. Travelling the world, stumping for traitors like Nunes, getting patents in China, large donations from Saudi's, that is hard work for her. So much time away from her children. This photo is to prove she does see them once in a great while. So seldom, she has to have photos taken!!
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)SO TRUE. Just got home....took the kid from the nanny for a few minutes. Did you get the shot? ok, back to graft and self-enrichment.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)oasis
(49,380 posts)a smashing defeat in November, seals the deal for me.
She knows all about his involvement in the Russia push for Trump's victory.
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)hexola
(4,835 posts)How is Trump attached to ANY of these photos - other than the obvious photo lies.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...prove it. Yeah, this was 2014, but was under a Democratic administration which was decidedly more concerned with their welfare. Who expects it's different with this openly antagonistic president?
Also, WHERE ARE THE MISSING CHILDREN???
Sailor65x1
(554 posts)"Under a Democratic administration which was decidedly more concerned with their welfare."
A cage is a cage, dude.
As far as the missing children, we're not sure yet. All we know for sure is that the "1500" went missing back in the 2014-2015 time period.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...I have callouses and scars from criticizing the Obama administration here.
But, go on and tell us how the Obama administration wasn't decidedly more concerned about their welfare than Trump. It's not even debatable.
Did Obama threaten our sanctuary cities? Did he stage mass deportation raids? Deliberately, with malice, separate families? Did he label the immigrant community as 'animals? Seek to label immigrants as rapists and criminals? Did it seek to limit the entry of refugees? Did it cut off immigration to whole classes of people based on their religion?
The Obama administration had it's transgressions against immigrants, including record deportations to match the record influx of children and others, including the dehumanizing warehousing that's pictured. They were roundly criticized for this, notably in the last election.
But they certainly WERE decidedly more concerned with their welfare. It's sophistry and curiously ignorant of Trump's transgressions and abuses to suggest otherwise.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)hexola
(4,835 posts)if we are just following the "satire" here...
JI7
(89,248 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)fuck up once in awhile.
Sailor65x1
(554 posts)Nor should anyone ever "Hang it the fuck up."
The truth is the truth whether you have the backbone to face it or not.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)She is a disgrace.
oberliner
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sarge43
(28,941 posts)One can assume she supports the 'policy' of taking children away from their families, warehousing them, farming them out to "foster care", losing track of them, then claiming "no responsibility". Is there any evidence that she, privately or publicly, disagreed with this policy?
Those pictures are symbols of what Trump and his administration have started and could end up doing.
She's not out of tune; she's part of the chorus.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Chemisse
(30,810 posts)pazzyanne
(6,549 posts)Please, please, please.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)pazzyanne
(6,549 posts)Sorry if I am not a sharp as others on this site, but that was an honest question. Sorry I offended you with my stupidity. I am hoping someone will answer my post giving it the answer I think it deserves.
Chemisse
(30,810 posts)That's what I gleaned from these pictures. The world can go to hell in a handbasket, but all is well for Ivanka, and that is all that counts for her.
pazzyanne
(6,549 posts)It keeps me from jumping into water with both feet when I don't know how to swim. Use to get me in a lot of trouble by assuming. So I learn to ask before I leap.
The whole tRump family feels it is there right to have and use that privilege. It's part of the disgust I feel for them.
Ohiogal
(31,989 posts)As long as all is right in their own little world, not a care for what's happening to children within our borders.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Would you think it reasonable for someone to juxtapose a photo of the person who was president at that time hugging his children over those images?
Of course not.
betsuni
(25,475 posts)That was FDR.
It's satire.
hexola
(4,835 posts)And the whole act is trying to sell those as Trump-era...
betsuni
(25,475 posts)It's a joke.
hexola
(4,835 posts)What's the satire...?
Not one of those images of atrocity has anything to do with Trump.
betsuni
(25,475 posts)The joke is that they are not old photos of Ivanka Trump. Like the "Thanks, Obama" jokes where people blamed Obama for spilled cereal and broken dishes that had nothing to do with Obama.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)of the Guatamalan woman who was shot dead a few days ago by a border patrol agent, would that make you feel better? Because THAT'S what's happening under this administration you seen eager to defend.
Judi Lynn
(160,526 posts)Very, very young, and never had any idea a US border guard was waiting ahead to murder her, or she wouldn't have made that incredible journey by herself, hoping to later be able to afford completing her education.
What a ferocious, monstrous act against her, against human beings.
Waging psychological war every damned day against EVERYONE whose skin is darker than his, Trump and his mob of criminals in search of a leader have turned this country into a playground for perverts and sociopaths.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)FDR was responsible for that.
There is something misguided (at the very least) about this entire "satire".
betsuni
(25,475 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)But I don't think this serious of images is funny as a joke or effective as satire.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)And Ivanka post this picture. It shows she has zero compassion for them. Get a grip and cut the holier-than-thou crap. Big Tree is making a relevant point.
still_one
(92,187 posts)and people are offended that they are being mocked?
They are actively part of an administration which is methodically debasing and destroying America, legitimizing racism, sexism, and bigotry, and unapologetically I say they can go to hell.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)People seem to be completely missing the point here.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)so much so I would even wonder if it is planted
Chemisse
(30,810 posts)And not to be taken literally.
Raven123
(4,830 posts)so do some of us.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...Trump administration (Ivanka an active member) deporting thousands, separating families in the process - separating children from families when detained, often permanently; losing track of the whereabouts of the children; actually releasing many immigrant children to child traffickers.
Me, posted satire highlighting the hypocrisy and arrogant indifference of his daughter (the one with the office in the White House) to these abuses.
I don't feel 'low' at all.
still_one
(92,187 posts)I guess nepotism and conflicts of interests aren't offensive to some
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Raven123
(4,830 posts)I prefer that which is edgy and even sometimes humorously magnifies or sharpen the focus on issues, controversies or policies.
Parental love is no surprise. In fact it is expected (though sadly not always a given). IMO a photo of someone sharing a soft moment with their child just isn't a good tool for the contrast you are trying to make.
A higher form of satire would consist of photos or comments contrasting how the administration talks and how they walk.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...show me where she's repudiated her father's abusive and inhumane policies.
I've found that most people who find criticism of this family over-the-top have little or nothing at personal risk from this administration's treachery, finding it easy to intellectualize and rationalize room for normality in the Trump family.
I understand you're starting from zero, though, wanting "photos or comments contrasting how the administration talks and how they walk," as if you just arrived on the planet.
Raven123
(4,830 posts)You have made my point for me so nothing else to say.
still_one
(92,187 posts)Some seem so offended that a spoiled rich person who is PART OF THIS RACIST, SEXIST, BIGOTED administration, are being mocked by their insensitivity, while a lot of other folks are being destroyed by this administration.
Yeah, I get it, "let em eat cake"
magicarpet
(14,145 posts)Let them eat dog shit...
While we enjoy champagne popsicles with lobster and Russian caviar while sailing in our yacht off the coast of the French Riviera.
(Like they give a sweet fuck about the lower and middle class America.)
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)Well done.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)a true and proper depiction of the petty bourgeois in the WH now. Hell, she would have had slaves. She doesn't care about the citizens, just her gods, money and her father. I know Chelsea Clinton cares. Can't wait for Sasha and Malia to start their professional lives.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)This shit cannot - WILL NOT - stand. We need to rub their god-damned noses in it. It is not that far different than the nazis stealing blond, blue-eyed Jew babies and placing them in the homes of "good Germans." Come Nov, I hope to see a plethora of TV ads on this issue, painting Republicans as the heartless venal bastards that they are. I cannot find the words to express how appalled I am. It is nothing less than racist state terrorism.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)I hope it spawns similar contrasting imagery such as Ivanka + child standing before trees felled in sold off national parks, or Ivanka in front of dirty water coming out of taps in Flint MI, etc.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)(apologies for losing name of the creator of this image)
Croney
(4,659 posts)Let them bask in the beauty of my fabulous white child.
Powerful pictures.
CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)She's an insensitive, thoughtless jerk just like her asshole dad.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)You're too kind and you've insulted insensitive, thoughtless jerks and assholes. They have standards, too.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Once a year, Ivanka absolutely has to do something tone deaf to "celebrate" Memorial Day. Talk about a lack of situational awareness.
I am only wondering, is she really that clueless or is she deliberately being cruel?
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)madville
(7,408 posts)happened during Democratic Administrations.
But yes, her picture is very tone deaf with immigrant children separated from their families being a recent headline.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)Men and women held by Immigrations and Customs Enforcement are on pace to die at double the rate of those who died in ICE custody last year, a Daily Beast review of ICE records found. And most will die in privately run facilities.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/immigrant-deaths-in-private-prisons-explode-under-trump
Thu 29 Mar 2018
Trump officials end policy exempting pregnant immigrants
Under Barack Obama, ICE said pregnant women not subject to mandatory detention should be presumptively released. The Trump administration is ending an exemption from immigration detention for pregnant women, reversing an Obama-era directive.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/29/trump-immigration
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)#BeBest
Cha
(297,184 posts)Hekate
(90,667 posts)Poor little Joe, out in the snow
No home to shelter him, no place to go
No mother to guide him,
In the grave she lay low
Cast on the cold streets
Was poor little Joe.
A carriage passed by with a Lady inside
She looked on that poor child,
And not even sighed
He followed the carriage but she gave not a smile
Fondly caressing her own darling child.
Two verses from a folk song.
gay texan
(2,442 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,787 posts)Not all of Donald's Trumpsters support Ivanka.
Rally co-organizer says he's disgusted to see Ivanka with Jew Jared
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4795848/Rally-organizer-President-let-Jew-steal-daughter.html
'The president let a Jew steal his daughter': White nationalist Charlottesville rally co-organizer says he's disgusted to see Jared Kushner with Ivanka
Rally co-organizer says he's disgusted to see Ivanka with Jew Jared
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Is surreal.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's baffling. I can't believe this place sometimes.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)SunSeeker
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...and not getting "angry."
But when we dish it out, then we get accused of being offensive and "going low."
Just can't please some people I guess.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Former DU-er.
Cha
(297,184 posts)of her and her kid when all the babies were being taken away from their mothers.. and hundreds are MISSING.
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Exactly.. how fucking tone deaf can you be?
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Cha
(297,184 posts)Yes, Bravenak is!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)southrnbelle
(7 posts)"I really like it that my Dad is around so much, I just wish he'd sleep in his own bed more often."
~~~~Ivanka~~~~
MFM008
(19,808 posts)Is coming for these shiny white objects.