Democrats, you're being PLAYED with respect to "the Clintons"

[Stinky The Clown]

As a party, it is time to push back. Yesterday's NBC ambush by the (in my view) no-so-innocent Craig Melvin, followed by the Oscar worthy performance by Our Lady of Over Acted Perpetual Outrage, the former public adulterer Mika was not happenstance. It is part of a decades long pattern of attacks on the Clintons.

For this go-round the American powers that be are joining the St. Petersburg Army (wittingly or otherwise) to make them symbols of the Democrats running to take back our government. In doing so, they're attempting to deflect from the candidates and put focus on the villains they worked so long and hard to create.

DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.

And yet, even here on DU, the Clinton Hate is strong. That is what they want. Discord within our party strengthens to impact of this latest ClintonBomb among the larger public.

Let's face a basic fact. As was said centuries ago at the very founding of our country by a most famous founding father "we must all hang together or most assuredly we will all hang separately" is as true today as when Franklin said it in 1776.

The Clintons are ours.

Own it. Defend it.

Coniunctionis

[FSogol]

1. +1, well said. n/t

[Squinch]

2. Absolutely right. Well said.

[Hortensis]

124. +1000. Own them, defend who and what we are.

And whenever they bring up old, fake crimes that never were, think real ones.

Think ICE and atrocities committed against frightened children.



Btw, I've never loved or revered any politician, but just seeing Hillary's picture and remembering what she so happily and competently planned for America makes me feel better these days. It's delayed, not destroyed.

[Squinch]

158. I keep looking for phrases to hold onto to get me to November, and next March which I can't

say why but I think will be the month when Whiny Donnie gets fired.

"It's delayed, not destroyed" is going on my list.

And yes. I am so fed up with hearing about a twenty year old consensual blow-job, and NOT hearing about kids in cages and the nightmare of daily life for Puerto Rican Americans. The world has gone mad.

[Hortensis]

159. Oh, so agree for that last. All decent, honest people must.

[sarah FAILIN]

3. This.

Everything that can be done to split us apart is going to be done. We have to fight the distraction.

[trueblue2007]

35. I LOVE HILLARY.

AND I WOULD VOTE FOR HER AGAIN for any office.

[Scarsdale]

119. Me too.

The gop HATES highly intelligent people. This is what is behind their destruction of all that is Clinton or Obama. Look at the clowns the gop elected to the highest office in the world - Dubya and now tRump. They do not have any decent, honest, smart, CLASSY people on their side. All are beholden to Russia and other foreign money. The RNC is paying legal bills for Hope Hicks and tRump Jr. among others. Covering their own traitors to this country. Hillary should sue tRump for slander. How is she crooked? The Clintons have been investigated for YEARS, with no results that warrant her being called the names tRump spews on her. She sat for 11 hours being interviewed by the clowns in DC. tRump wants a list of questions from Mueller, before he would even agree to defend himself. Scared to face the charges that can be PROVEN. Guilty as sin.

[BlueMTexpat]

153. + a million or so! eom

[JI7]

4. They need to make up for all the negative things on trump

So they can do their "both sides do it" shit.

[Steven Maurer]

140. +1 EXACTLY

The way this goes down in the media is always the same:

1. "Let's start doing fact checking, to inform the public!"

2. Runs stories. "Gee, Democrats aren't perfect, but Republicans are corrupt as all get out."

3. "Hey, people are saying that we're biased against Republicans for printing all the true things about them."

4. "Our advertisers say we might lose market share. So let's find a way to bash Democrats too."

Pretty soon you have, "In the news thegopjuststartedWW3andnowcitiesareallradioactivewastelands, but GET THIS - Hillary might have JAYWALKED back in 1978!!!!!1!!! See? Both sides are bad!"

I'm not sure I can even blame them. Not when half the country is in the market only for lies that validate what they truly want to believe.

[bluescribbler]

161. Yes, both sides do it.

But when we do it, we have the facts and the evidence to back us up.

[Mr. Ected]

5. Get this message to the media, stat

They're the ones that want to make a Democratic sacrifice whenever their Gods beckon.

[blueinredohio]

6. I've always liked Bill Clinton no matter what he did, he was a great president.

[DURHAM D]

7. Had the tv on this pm.

Kept changing channels when they started attacking President Clinton. They just can't quit the Clintons.

Also, on CNN and HLN/CNN they were just as nuts about Joy Reid.

[leftynyc]

99. At least the Reid thing is sorta current

The posts to her blog are in the past but the knowledge of them is new (personally, I find her hack story not believable). The whole Clinton thing is nothing but BS and trying to get donnie off the hook for banging porn stars.

[ChiTownDenny]

160. + 1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. Yes, you see the same strong Bernie hate...

which, if it continues to fester, will only divide us when we need to come together, like no other time in political history, in common purpose to dethrone the menace occupying the White House and his Rethuglican henchmen controlling both houses of Congress.

[Arkansas Granny]

11. Divide and conquer. That's what they're attempting.

[dhol82]

16. Yeah, well if Bernie would just become a democrat I might get behind him.

Until that day comes he is an obstruction to a legitimate candidate.

[Blue_true]

24. Become a democrat and stop verbally eating the shit out of democrats.

Maybe aim his ire at republicans on a sustained basis, for a change.

[Plucketeer]

33. WTF does it matter???

whether or not he has an (I) or a (D) next to his name? NO - seriously - given his record as a true champion of humanity - WTF difference does one letter make? If he were to change that letter, would there be some sort of magicians sparkling cloud that Bernie would emerge from all transformed somehow?

I swear - the Dems are as transfixed with Bernie's independent status as Trump is with crowd sizes!

[mountain grammy]

54. Yep, you said it..

[YOHABLO]

56. I think you make a valid point. There has to be an urgency, no matter what , on saving the country

Cuz FASCISM ain't gonna be pretty.

[PatrickforO]

83. I'll agree with that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. LOL riiiight! Bernie just goes after Rethuglicans hammer and tong every single day, more than anyone

... but ooookayyyyy... just keep saying that enough times and you might actually start believing it.

[betsuni]

88. Last Friday on Bill Maher he said it wasn't that Trump won the election,

it was that the Democratic Party lost because they are a party of liberal elites who spend their time raising money from the wealthy and powerful instead of talking to working people.

The problem here is that it isn't true. Facts are facts. In the last election, people with the least amount of money voted for the Democrat. People with the most money voted for Trump.

Many people think that calling Democrats names and accusing them of not doing their jobs only helps Trump or encourages "both sides are the same, why vote?" Why is that so difficult to understand? All he has to do is leave out the insults to Democrats and attack Trump. It's simple.

The constant insults would make sense if he's running for president as a third party candidate, however, setting himself up as the only one who can beat Trump. After Jane Sanders' comment about third parties the other day, this makes people very nervous. Republicans will not vote for someone they think will raise their taxes. They were convinced Obama raised their taxes and slapped draconian regulations on small business when he did no such thing. They are not reasonable. This is not a good plan to beat the Republicans.

[happy feet]

115. This!!!!

[Beartracks]

118. Is he a Dem? No. But is he a liberal? Yes!

And that DOES put him on my team, no matter what jersey he wears on the field.

============

[TexasBushwhacker]

129. Exactly. He caucuses with the Democrats

more often than some of the Democrats.

[EffieBlack]

27. Not the same. The Clintons are Democrats.

[Tom Rinaldo]

125. It doesn't have to be exactly "the same" to be counter productive to our overall aims n/t

[fleabiscuit]

45. Sure it's the same...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. Exactly the same... could argue it's even WORSE in Bernie's case given his current activism

and as one of the potential front-runners to be the Democratic nominee for President in 2020.

[fleabiscuit]

61. Sure, maybe worse...

[AtomicKitten]

67. worse & off-putting af - the very essence of divisive

[stonecutter357]

51. .

[murielm99]

134. When Bernie stops criticizing

and trying to divide us, then I will agree with you. He has not been a friend to the Democrats.

The OP was not about Bernie.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

135. Oh okay, I see... so, Bernie's voting with the majority of Democrats more than any Democrat

is not being friendly to Democrats? That's news to me. The truth is, Bernie is the BEST friend Democrats could have... he not only supports them with his Senate vote, but, he's also "moving the needle" in terms of setting a progressive agenda for this country that will win Democrats the White House in 2020, regardless of whether Bernie or some other candidate wins the Democratic nomination for President.

[murielm99]

136. He did no such thing.

He took most of his ideas from others. There are DU members who still come here and post stories about "his" bills that were written and put forward by others.

How will he run in 2020 wen we have not seen his taxes? What is he hiding? Again, this OP was not about Bernie. Stop trying to hijack.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

139. LOL, I'm just responding to YOU...so, please feel free to stop anytime.

I didn't say a word about Bernie's bills... though, since you brought up the subject, there is little doubt that Bernie's going about the country, speaking passionately to large audiences, to change hearts and minds on progressive issues Bernie deeply cares about, so that legislative bills can go forward with greater support and likelihood of passage, is far more important and valuable to the cause.

As for taxes, IF Bernie decides to run again for President in 2020 - after he finishes focusing like a laser beam on the 2018 mid-terms and getting as many progressive Democrats elected as possible, so as to take over both houses of Congress - I expect him to disclose his tax returns, at least 5 years worth. So, why would you think Bernie is hiding something? If Bernie refused to disclose private speeches given to Wall Street banks, after criticizing them the way he has, THEN you might have something.

[BlueMTexpat]

154. +1! eom

[DURHAM D]

9. Priorities -

Link to tweet

[Stinky The Clown]

13. THIS!!!

[deurbano]

21. Exactly!

[pangaia]

72. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Petrushka]

74. In the crosshairs . . . . . . . again????? Must be a slow news day.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=clinton+apology+to+lewinsky%3F&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

[ChiTownDenny]

117. + 1

[certainot]

132. limbaugh started his show with it - driving the news

[RandomAccess]

10. Where's the focus on the 19 women Trump accusers????

That's the story NOW, not ancient history with Clinton.

I thought it was inappropriate and outrageous. And Jesus H., doesn't Monica deserve a little peace and quiet too?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

143. Absolutely right... which is why Bill's comments were not helpful...

as it takes the spotlight off the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief.

[mcar]

12. K&f'ing R!

[CatMor]

14. K&R

[kydo]

15. I remember what happened 20 years ago

I was in my 20's when the repugs went after The Clinton's. I don't remember it the way Melvin phrased his questions and I for sure don't recall it the way Mika retells the story either.

I agree with the OP, don't let the media or those running it divide us Democrats. In a way it's like the "but her emails," thing or the "Hillary has a trustworthiness issue," thing. Don't buy in. It's BS.

[Mr.Bill]

20. Hillary Clinton is Mother Theresa compared to Trump.

And Bill Clinton is not running for any political office. Remind any republican of this as soon as they mention his name. Don't let them run against him.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. Yes, that's true about Bill... unfortunately, that standard has never applied to Jane Sanders.

Hmm... wonder why.

[True Blue American]

141. What upset me

Was one of the CNN reporters attacking Clinton because he said they were in debt. Her smart Alec statement. He acts as if it were done to him, not by him.

The investigation that went on for years is what put them in debt. But she completely twisted what Clinton said.

As for Craig Melvin he is a slimey little so and so trying to get a 2 minute thrill.

As for both Mika and Joe they kissed Trumps butt until he exposed Mika’s bloody face lift and threatened to expose their affair. Joe’s wife left him and Mika soon divorced.

[yallerdawg]

17. Yes, let's give Clinton a pass on his behavior.

Al Gore and Hillary Clinton certainly paid enough for it.

Bush 2.0 and the Dotard?

Maybe every Democrat gets to pay for it, too.

[EffieBlack]

28. I missed the part where Clinton got a pass

When did that happen?

[Pepsidog]

31. Yea amazing. Reality distortion field is in full force

[yallerdawg]

34. The point of the OP?

Bill Clinton said he didn't think he would get removed from office today, and apparently wouldn't resign, either.

This is not what I want my elected officials doing, and I have no desire to give any of them a pass on this subject or tell them it doesn't really matter.

[standingtall]

37. If he did not resign for it then

why would he resign now? Especially sense it is nowhere close to the equivalent to the stuff Trump is doing. Clinton did not get a pass he faced impeachment for it.

[yallerdawg]

40. Clinton faced a rabid partisan Republican House.

The way 'we' rationalized his absolutely horrid behavior in the White House was that it was all political - yeah, a 'witch hunt.'

That was 20 years ago.

Don't think for a second that Democrats (and DUers) aren't lining up on sides of this issue now.

Everything is political.

[standingtall]

44. It was a political witch hunt

Kent Starr was not even investigating him for that and just because his behavior was poor doesn't make it any less of a witch hunt. Trump will not be impeached for allegations of sexual harassment that will only be secondary. If he is impeached it will only be over the Russia stuff. If we were to attempt to impeach Trump on sexual harassment allegations and paying off porn stars alone that would be viewed as unacceptable by the media.

[yallerdawg]

48. Given what we know now...

Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, others, then Monica Lewinsky in the White House - do we just not give a shit? About sex, about lying?

Or is EVERYTHING partisan?

[standingtall]

50. The only allegation ever proven

was the consensual affair with Lewinsky.

[yallerdawg]

53. That's our presidential standard now.

"Prove it."

[standingtall]

58. Always been the standard

that if you accuse someone of a crime then you should be able to prove it rather it is the President or any other human being.

[7962]

79. Depends on your definition of "proven". And Flowers, also consensual, had tapes.

There are corroborating witnesses to some of the other accusations.
But the same people who went nuts over the Clinton accusations give a total pass to trump. Hypocrites.

[MountCleaners]

49. I agree, the right was hysterical about Clinton

Anyone who took time to read any of those nutty RW conspiracy books about the Clintons would be too frightened to comment. At least that's how I feel. And "The Hunting of the President" is a good book.

What Clinton did was stupid because his enemies were so rabid. And so many of them were and are extremely right wing. But they're still nutty and dangerous. I refuse to give them ammunition.

[FakeNoose]

62. Back when they pretended to care about "family values"

... and Bill Clinton was Satan in the flesh.

Of course nowadays we never hear a peep from those rightwing nutjobs about such silliness.
Family values, what are those?

[EffieBlack]

43. I don't think he should have been removed from office then and shouldn't be now

for a consensual, even if completely inappropriate, sexual encounter.

Every bit of bad behavior doesn't merit removal from office. And not kicking them out of office is NOT giving them a pass. There are all manner of punishment between doing nothing and the ultimate punishment of removal.

This was a stupid line of questioning from Melvin, designed more to generate headlines than to actually elicit any helpful information or insights. I don't blame Clinton for getting annoyed - as did Patterson, who called Melvin out for completely veering off topic.

[yallerdawg]

47. Except, this is an ongoing issue with Democrats (and Republican "whataboutism").

I'm a fan of Kirsten Gillibrand. Does that make a difference?

Are "we" going to give her a pass?

[happy feet]

116. I agree

I'm tired of revisionist history. I lived up close and personal through the right wing "Hunting of the Clintons" which started with a 20 year old failed land deal by which the Clinton's LOST $20K and ended up with NOT MONICA bringing charges, but her so called friend Linda Tripp secretly taping her bragging about her sexual encounter with Clinton.

Sick of the #Me Too Al Frankening movement. It denigrates the true cause of #Me Too.

[Bettie]

94. Clinton was certainly raked over the coals

over and over for his behavior.

It isn't as if it was some secret that came to light just yesterday. We've known this for 20 or so years.

Since then, he has said he was wrong. That he shouldn't have behaved the way he did.

As far as I know he has not repeated that behavior.

As far as I know he hasn't suddenly began saying that what he did was right.

His wife (Hillary Clinton) has moved past it; she decided that their marriage was worth saving.

So, why is it suddenly an issue? It is done. Past. Old business.

And he is still very popular, so why not leverage that?

[fleabiscuit]

96. One thing I don't understand is why someone collects cum stained dresses. Weird?

[yallerdawg]

103. An older woman and Monica's friend - Linda Tripp...

advised Monica to hold onto the dress, the 'evidence.'

But that's another story.

[oasis]

128. Linda Tripp, associate of Ultra right Clinton hater, Lucianne Goldberg

advised Lewinsky to hang on to the dress.

From the beginning, Tripp was on a mission to get dirt on Bill C. and report back to Goldberg. That's why she made it her business to seek out Lewinsky and work her way into becoming the poor girl's best friend and confidant.

[MustLoveBeagles]

18. K&R

[Dorian Gray]

19. You know what?

The Clintons were ours. They lived in the white house. They did a lot of good things for our country. But Bill did a shitty act. And with changing public mores, he is acting like a defensive idiot. We should own that.

And their time has come. Their time is passing. They've led the way in many respects, but an ass is an ass.

Beliefs about appropriate presidential behavior have evolved. Good.

And I have no problem with evolving beliefs about the appropriate nature of his actions. He was the president and he had relations with a 22 year old unpaid white house intern. And they (everyone. Republicans and Democrats) pretty much unapologetically destroyed her life.

Fuck it. Let him answer a public question without getting on his high horse.

[Raven123]

42. Perfectly said. If Bill didn't see this coming he hasn't learned a thing.

[Indepatriot]

46. x 10,0000!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

70. Well said... Bill came across as overly defensive and strident, as if he was the victim.

Wrong response, and simply not helpful, in this new "me too" environment.

[BeyondGeography]

84. Yes, plus Obama got a joy ride from the press because he's black, per Bill

As if the world wouldn’t have come to a full stop if HE copped a blowjob from an intern.

Bill says some smart things politically, but he also says some stupid shit, and he obviously still can’t get over the 2008 primary. It would be better for everyone if he focused on good causes where he remains formidable and stayed away from politics where he is hit-or-miss.

[Dorian Gray]

98. I agree with this....

I voted for him then. I voted happily and strongly for Hillary now. I'm NOT a hater. Yet I feel like he's being overly defensive. He doesn't like being challenged for his behavior, and he's unable to admit that some of his behavior was wrong.

I Have a problem when Republics do this. (I've spent the last year and a half horrified at Trump's treatment of women, the almost election of Roy Moore, etc.) I have a problem when the Catholic Church does this. (Fighting legalities while rarely taking responsibility for its actions in helping predator priests avoid detection.) I have a problem when hollywood moguls do this. (Harvey, Bill Cosby, etc.) And I don't like being called a dupe of the Russian Media when I find Bill's own words here to be problematic. Especially in terms of where society has gone in the last year or so. He should have been prepared for the questions with a thoughtful answer.

[ChiTownDenny]

122. This is why Democrats can't have nice things.

Bill Clinton and Al Franken. Donald Trump and Harvey Weinstein. How is anyone confused?

[loyalsister]

155. Indeed

It's unreal to me that he would look past me too and defend his worst self. This man, who has believed himself to be a supporter of women and equality, could do more to advance that cause than anyone else right now - if he were to admit just how wrong he was. As in, -- A man who exploits his position to impose his will and power over a subordinate for his sexual gratification should not be in a position of power.

[JohnnyRingo]

22. No bad mouthing Big Dog & Hillary from me.

The Russian trolls did their job well. sowing propaganda among democrats everywhere, even spawning that Jackass Radical site where they continue to this day the war on everything Clinton. It's hard to believe how far they've fallen in public opinion since she said she was running for the White House, and it's all been the result of an overwhelming smear campaign.

I was alive and well during the Clinton administration. Those were the good ole days.

[PDittie]

112. I just do not think

that Bill Clinton's self-created problems -- however they may characterized, in current or 1990's context -- are the fault in the slightest measure of 'Russian trolls'.

A simply ridiculous extrapolation.

[JohnnyRingo]

147. I was referring to Hillary, but

Bill Clinton reached an all time high of a 73% approval rating after the impeachment hearings. He left office with 65%, higher than any president since Harry Truman. Even Obama exited with 57%.

The trolls, both Russian and republican, tarred him right along with his wife to spoil the chances that any Clinton could ever occupy the White house ever again. The result of that successful propaganda campaign apparently reflects in your view of the Clintons.

I'm shocked at how many now think Bill's terms in office were shameful. That wasn't the what the vast majority of Americans thought before 2015 when his favored name on DU was "Big Dog". So what happened between 2015 and now?

[aikoaiko]

23. I'm totally comfortable saying BC should not have had sex with a WH intern

and still supporting the party and voting Democratic.

Its rather easy.

[BobTheSubgenius]

41. Being able to hold two seemingly oppositing thoughts in one's nead concurrently is a userful skill.

Well, it's useful if one's aim is to autonomously navigate a complex world and intelligently make decisions in one's own best interest.

[EffieBlack]

25. Ain't THAT the truth

And we fall for this shit every time.

[Scurrilous]

26. K&R

[Pepsidog]

29. Clintons are totally irrelevant, they hold no office, focus and ignore the distractions

[Sophia4]

38. Actually, I would like to see Hillary out making speeches about the things that matter

to her. If she and Bernie and Bill all appeared together, it would help unify the Democratic Party.

[Wwcd]

71. ? Hillary has been giving many speeches as to "things that matter"

She's also been the recipient of many prestigeous honors this past year.

Things from women's rights on a national & global scale, foreign policy & our cherished allies, & warnings of the dangerous road Trump is leading us down, as well as the atrocities of our current state of Trump's deportation policy to gun violence in our country & schools.
Her comments on Parkland & their march was supportive & encouraging, & as expected right in line with what she has always believed.

She has spoken regularly here in the US & abroad this past year to crowds of hundreds to thousands.

Not surprised Media hasn't given her the time nor recognition.
Wasn't she told to shut up & go away ?

She is a brilliant speaker & her view of the world & how to elevate the people existing in it is far beyond what many care to grasp.

Her invites, speeches, honors & respect is all out there for anyone to find out.

Money & Media rules the day however.

[Pepsidog]

76. In theory you are absolutely correct. All three deserve our respect especially Hillary who I admir

greatly. However, the right has demonized Hillary to the point that like abortion and guns, the nuts on the right are motivated to get out and vote as a rally cry against her. It’s bewildering to me to see just how evil little ol Hillary is in their eyes. Just as Trump motivates us to resist so does Hillary in the other side. She is a patriot and one of the most accomplished women in American History but now it’s time to for her sit this one out and allow time and history to restore her reputation.

[nolabear]

30. As BD pointed out, he's lived his life well for twenty years and more

and for me, that counts for more than anything else. I can’t fathom a world in which someone is never, ever allowed to improve or change but has to wear the albatross forever.

[KCDebbie]

32. I concur - this latest attempt to slander the Clintons is especially OBVIOUS

to those of us who have been paying attention...

What is it with these people who want Pres Clinton to apologize (again) for his blow job? And Monica Lewinski was a #Metoo victim? Are you frikkin kidding me?

[gopiscrap]

121. welcome to DU

[KCDebbie]

133. Thx..

[joshcryer]

36. Yep. After decades of defending Democrats from those...

...who are carrying water for Republican lies I have finally given up. If Trump gets a second term, oh well, not my fault.

[zentrum]

39. Can't go to the mat

…..for the Clintons any more. They had a good run.

But now going into the midterms their effect nationally is too iffy.

Sorry.

I'm there for Schiff and do what Kamela Harris and Warren suggest——and other Dems. But we're at a new turn in the road now.

[DURHAM D]

64. The Clintons are not asking you to do anything.

Pretty sure they will be asked to help out for the mid-terms and 2020. It is not your call.

It is up to the people running for office and, more importantly, the party will be looking to them to raise money. In fact, they are already doing it. Do you want to refuse all the funds they are helping raise for Democrats?



gheez louise

[obnoxiousdrunk]

78. +1. N/t

[EffieBlack]

100. +1

[zentrum]

102. Calm down. Of course Dems

…..should accept Clinton money. No need to add imaginary meanings to my post.

[progressoid]

105. Hmm...I wouldn't be so sure they will be asked to help out. At least not publically.

While they the party faithful may like them, they aren't really all that big of a deal to the general electorate. With Hillary's declining popularity, I doubt many local candidates will be seeking her to rally with them.

Now, private fundraising, that's another story.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

145. I wouldn't be so sure that, as you say...

"with Hillary's declining popularity, [you] doubt many local candidates will be seeking her to rally with them." First, her popularity is still relatively high and, second, given that all politics is local, I'm sure many politicians will call on Hillary for support where their constituents are still enamored with her. Can't see how that would hurt... and, more likely, would certainly help in some cases.

[JoeOtterbein]

52. Is Hillary planning on running?

Just wondering cause who cares otherwise enough when we so clearly need to "save our powder" (so to speak) to defeat Trump/GOP? I don't see a reason to waste time, ink or bits otherwise (with all apologies in advance for asking, cause I honestly don't understand). Again, who cares other than the Clinton's?

I volunteered for both Clinton's when they ran for POTUS, but I would never say I "own it" because I worked for them.

Again, I want to know, is she running, or not?

[DURHAM D]

65. No

[JoeOtterbein]

73. Thanks! Any ideas why either Clinton is in the news today other than Bill's new book? n/t

[DURHAM D]

82. The media is tired of the Trump treason discussion.

They would rather trash Democrats.

[JoeOtterbein]

85. I don't agree the media is tired of Trump Treason. I think we should let Bill and Hill alone but

we should never stop running our mouths about Trump Treason simply because it is so egregious. (BTW, thanks for getting back to me!)

[LisaM]

55. Agreed.

The Clinton presidency years were the best of my adult life, by far.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

60. Third way Democrats?

Haven't heard that one for a while. Care to name a few who are currently in office?

[Indepatriot]

69. If you have to ask, you'll never know....

Perhaps you should expand your circle of political interaction...

[JoeOtterbein]

75. Seriously? I've been around for a bit on DU and I can say that...

...Mama is in a very wide "circle of political interaction".

Although she certainly does need me to defend her.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

87. I'm not a she FWIW

But there appears to be a lot of projection by the person you're responding to and I'll leave it at that.

[Wwcd]

81. I'd have to expand all the way to JPR to read that kind of twisted 2016 bullsh**

No thanks. I'll leave those kind of sites to slither in their own putrid swill.

Bye

[ehrnst]

130. Variation on "go Google it yourself!!!" that I hear whenever

I ask a MAGA humper for any sort of backup for their "Crooked Hillary" rants.

[Cha]

157. You don't know what you're talking about

.. all you have are insults.

[JoeOtterbein]

77. I wonder if he will answer your question? ! n/t

[spanone]

63. K&R...

[Me.]

80. I Agree About Melvin

Said so earlier...his scoop/gotcha moment

[blue-wave]

86. K&R We need to defend

them as hard as they have fought for us and our country. Love ya Bill, Hillary and Chelsea!!

[ChiTownDenny]

123. + 1

[betsuni]

89. K&R

[fleabiscuit]

90. Sure, maybe worse...

[JI7]

91. Obama said it was the best speech at that convention

and did the most in helping to make case for his re-election.

[fleabiscuit]

95. Ya. Had to post the truncated version, he talked for close to an hour. Easy listening though :-)

[EffieBlack]

101. And let's not forget his tour de force speech at the 2016 convention

“Arithmetic!”

[ecstatic]

92. I agree. SMH. nt

[Bettie]

93. They are working to make us attack the strongest voices on our side

They want us to repudiate those who are the strongest advocates for our ideals.

And it works. Every. Time.

[DFW]

97. Franklin was right, and so are you

It is sadly predictable that some on DU have such a one track mind that even on an OP like this, the have to chime in with obsessive, defensive posts about Sen. Sanders.

The OP was about the Clintons, not anyone else. I swear, you could post about the amount of MSG used in General Tsao's chicken, and someone would post an indignant reply somehow finding a swipe at Bernie Sanders hidden in there.

[Tipperary]

104. Lol! You are so right.

The defensiveness is astounding.

[m-lekktor]

106. In the current #metoo climate it's rather amusing that many here think it out of line

and unfair that , considering Clinton's history, this wouldn't be brought up in an interview. ambush?, please.

[WyLoochka]

108. Right, let's not fall for the words that divide

We will make our goals more difficult to achieve.

I support Bill Clinton, just as I did back then, when he ran the Tom Delay / New Gingrich phony impeachment gauntlet.

We called him the Big Dawg, largely because he triumphed over those odious snakes, with the majority of Democrats' and many independents' strong support.

He went on to do great things with the Clinton Foundation and Clinton Global Initiative. Succumbing to this "after tarring" is self defeating to our objectives in November and beyond.

[ChiTownDenny]

109. Craig Melvin SUCKS!

Initially I found him to be a refreshing change from Matt Lauer. Now, all I have to say is: Trump thinks you're a shithole! And now, so do I.

[ChiTownDenny]

111. Boycott Craig Melvin!

NBC: Today show weekend anchor.

MSNBC: 1pm eastern , MSNBC Live with Shithole.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

110. Played is a bit strong. We are being distracted.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

137. Yes, distracted from defeating our true evil enemy... and no, it's not Bernie, contrary to some...

but rather, the tRumpster fire that occupies the White House.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

138. Clinton just offer a fulsome apology and we should all just move on.

It was a different time...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

142. A different time? Think of all those who have finally been publicly outed via the #metoo movement

that would love to use that "fig-leaf" to excuse their behavior and absolve themselves of responsibility. Bill was blind-sided by the questioning... hopefully, he'll come better prepared the next time to answer such questions.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

144. How does flogging Democratic presidents for decades old acts help our party ?

We all know his behavior was irresponsible and unacceptable and would never be countenanced today, hence my observation it was another time.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

146. I didn't say WE should do it... to the contrary. Just sayin' Bill's comments

in an unguarded moment has given the OTHER side ammunition to flog him and Democrats and distract from the really offensive behavior of the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

148. I get you. Bill Clinton was impeached.

Maybe one day there will be a moral reckoning for Trump.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

150. That moral reckoning is EXACTLY where 100% of the focus should be...

I have to believe that day will eventually come. Impeachment would be a good start... but, I'm also looking forward to tRump's being indicted, convicted, and frog-marched into and out of a prison van. Oh what happy days that will be!!

[marieo1]

113. minngal

Bill Clinton was a great President!! We all got along better financially till the RW started their tricks. Hillary would have been a great President, too. Financially I and my friends were a lot better off under Clinton. I'll always believe the RW knew he had a weakness and that the whole Monica thing was a setup. RW cannot stand anyone that fights for and hears the common people in our country. It doesn't matter how brilliant anyone is (i.e. President Obama) they will still do everything in their power to take them down. The RW has been taken over by megalomaniacs and they could care less about the rest of us. This is their ploy, if someone is too good, too accomplished, too brilliant, too capable, the RW will take them down.

[Gothmog]

114. K&R

[HenryWallace]

120. It was a crass, ill-timed statement!

.... It is however, a backhanded acknowledgement that Bill Clinton did in fact change some of the core beliefs of the Party.

... It is that discussion that needs to happen (instead of howling at the Russian moon)!

[lancelyons]

126. The main stream media like CNN and MSNBC.. have to cover the things Fox News is covering.

The main stream media like CNN and MSNBC.. have to cover the things Fox News is covering or they feel they will get outscooped.

So Fox News comes up with some FAKE garbage and CNN, MSNBC, etc have to jump in and cover it until it is revealed the entire thing is garbage but that doesnt come out.. they just move on because they were duped again.


Democrats are the nice guys. GOP are the Mean win at all cost guys.


Bully thugs mean guys kick the nices guys butt every time. Wake up democrats. What is Tom Perez doing? Where is the DEMOCRAT message or narrative?

NOTHING but tom steyer out there.

[PubliusEnigma]

127. Trumpers know the Clinton's are an emotional trigger for cognitive dissonance.

That's how I know Mueller is about to drop a bomb... Clinton-Lewinsky is on all the news programs for no reason at all, really.

[Raster]

131. Methinks Ms. Mika doth protest too much...

... and if we're making the shit list of who is responsible for tRump*, Joe and Mika go to the head of the list.

[mopinko]

164. this

their whole charade of trying to hide their relationship was just stupid.
and yeah, they feel stupid now, but they were enjoying sucking up to power.

[lillypaddle]

149. Joe and Mika hate the Clintons

Sniveling milquetoasts.

[BlueMTexpat]

151. Well said, Stinky!

Anyone who does not feel this way does not belong on DU! PERIOD!

[HopeAgain]

152. Lets go on the attack, not the defensive

The Clintons are about the legacy not the future. I'm worried about our future, and would rather not get into the arguments that the Deplorables WANT to get in to.

[Progressive dog]

156. K&R

[woofless]

162. Completely disagree.

The Clintons are the problem with the Party, not the solution. Millions of lifelong Democrats agree with me. That's why Hillary failed twice to achieve her highest ambition. I further believe it is wrong to equate opposition to the Clintons with hate. I don't hate them. I hate the corporations they align themselves with. Big difference.

[blkyank1]

163. The Clintons are....

Seasoned political operators who are no longer in play for National offices and can defend themselves.

Hillary got jobbed, but she ain't running anymore. Who cares if the GOP wants to go after her and Bill.
Democrats need to look forward to 2020 and not waste energy refighting 2016.

As Democrats, we need to keep the focus on the candidates and not fall into the trap of joining the debate
about "the Clintons did this or that"

Don't fall for it.

[Honeycombe8]

165. Bill Clinton is on a book tour. Bad timing.

That's why he's in the news, mainly. Really bad timing to release a book in the midst of a "me, too" movement.

I had no problem with what Clinton said about (the you know who affair). A personal apology is unnecessary. I'm not really in favor of all these personal apologies, although I suppose it's a nice thing to do (if it really is personal, on the phone, and not on twitter).