****BREAKING**** IG Report- Comey took action to * hurt Hillary **

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So it appears the early conclusion of the IG report -- via Bloomberg -- is that Comey/FBI took actions that negatively impacted Hillary Clinton in 2016Mark Murray added,
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*This is the truth and the correct narrative. Comey's motives and what he is doing know is largely immaterial.

** To or that. As a sage once said what's in a word.

[MineralMan]

1. This report will very likely not benefit the Trump Administration in any way.

In fact, it's likely to do just the opposite. Let's help make that happen, OK?

[Demsrule86]

2. And water is wet...we all knew that.

I am more concerned with the possibility that Hillary will be the victim of a political prosecution.

[Girard442]

4. Yeah, but you know how it is.

It's actually kind of important that water is now officially wet.

[Demsrule86]

8. Thanks you for that clarification...most important to note the wetness of water...it is after all

essential for all life on earth...hahaha

[Demsrule86]

118. An official pronouncement was need to clarify any doubt that water is wet. I think we can safely say

this has been accomplished .

[Botany]

86. you forgot that

snow is cold and it gets dark @ night too

[onit2day]

100. Comey had one motive only. All others made no sense because of the timing

Clinton baggage and innuendo from rumors was just enough for him to drag her down by his unjustified accusations and it was obvious.

[Botany]

103. come could have checked out the allegations about HRC in an hour but no he went ....

... right ahead and helped to sink HRC's campaign.

[Demsrule86]

119. I felt we might address those issues at a different time but perhaps, I have been negligent in this

regard. Thus, I officially proclaim on this day June 15th 2018 that snow is cold, and it get dark @ night too. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Regards from Captain Obvious.

[malaise]

3. Duh!

Seriously - who knew!

[Demsrule86]

17. Hahaha...love you Malaise! Have to keep our sense of humor in these dark times!

[malaise]

23. I mean

Who knew

[Demsrule86]

25. hahah...I must need to laugh...laughed so hard I spilled my coffee!

[malaise]

26. Laughing is very good for us

[Demsrule86]

38. Yes it is...keeps us going.

[Demsrule86]

5. He loved Comey...was thrilled with the report...but then Comey didn't kiss his orange ass...

and the 'Russer thing with Trump and Russia"...so he fired him. It is on tape.

[Pluvious]

87. IIRC there's video of Anusface blowing Comey a kiss ?

It was like at their first official encounter.

[Demsrule86]

117. Where he hugged Comey? Comey was wrong...and like everyone who climbs into bed with Trump , he

is not left broken and bleeding.

[brooklynite]

6. Misleading headline

Your title suggests that the action was intended to hurt Clinton; the report says no such thing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. You made that inference and not me

So it appears the early conclusion of the IG report -- via Bloomberg -- is that Comey/FBI took actions that negatively impacted Hillary Clinton in 2016

-Mark Murray

And I specifically said We can't divine Comey's motive:

*This is the truth and the correct narrative. Comey's motives and what he is doing know is largely immaterial.



Have a day.

[brooklynite]

12. "took action TO hurt"...vs "took action THAT hurt"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Took is a verb, nothing more and nothing less.

Are we debating Comey's culpability ?

I will give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he didn't intentionally undermine Hillary's campaign but I would be insulting his intelligence and my own if I believed he was unaware of the consequences of his actions.

[brooklynite]

18. ...and THAT is an adverb which qualifies the word TOOK

If you're attempting to frame opinion, at least have the guts to admit it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. You're really invested in your lil theory, aren't ya ?

If i wanted to frame opinion and presumably Comey I wouldn't have wrote "*This is the truth and the correct narrative. Comey's motives and what he is doing know is largely immaterial."

[thesquanderer]

76. The word "to" in the headline means that it was the motive. Adding an asterisk...

...saying that motive is immaterial doesn't make the headline any less false.

[greyl]

21. Yes, especially when explicitly describing it as "the truth and the correct narrative". nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Did you read Post 19 as I requested, suggested, or instructed ?

Thank you in advance.

[greyl]

30. What's the use? Its words might not actually mean anything. nt

[greyl]

16. "took actions that" is different from "took actions to"

Mark Murray said "took actions that", and your headline is misleading.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Please see Post 19.

Thank you in advance.

[progressoid]

110. If post #19 is important,

perhaps you could edit your op to include it rather than the misleading phasing you used.

[Demsrule86]

19. The important point here is that this means Trump and Ghouliani can't spin this as the FBI

attacking Trump...which is what they are trying to do...so you are completely correct. if it hurt Hillary, it sure as hell didn't hurt Trump who loved him some Comey until Comey failed to take orders on the Russian investigation by 'letting Flynn go'.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. That is getting lost in this discussion.

I will give my detractors the benefit of the doubt, for now, and operate on the assumption it wasn't purposeful.

[Demsrule86]

27. I would agree. I don't think this report will help Trump ET AL from what has

been reported.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. He is going to spin the report.

[Demsrule86]

40. He is going to try...but if what is being reported is in the report...blows his BS out of the water.

I hope anyway.

[ooky]

31. Means they'll spin it another way; i.e.

The IG is part of "the deep state".

[Demsrule86]

46. It won't work.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. It will work with his base. That's it.

It isn't difficult to convince somebody of something they want to believe.

[Demsrule86]

54. Maybe...but it won't work as a pretext to attack the FBI.

[ooky]

81. It does with his base. Discredit the IG and then they will say any lie they want about the FBI

that fits their narrative.

This is what makes discrediting such an effective tool for them.

[Demsrule86]

116. I understand that ...but I don't think it worked at least today...his base will do what they choose

but if we all turn out and voted...they will lose...not enough base to win...they barely won in 16 with all their shenanigans.

[sweatlee]

107. I am so turned off by your graphics that I fast forward through the whole thread so that I don't

have to assault my eyes.

[Demsrule86]

115. I like my graphics...sorry you don't.

You can hide my posts be putting me on ignore...there solved.

[bearsfootball516]

66. I think Brooklynite is right.

It’s clear that what Comey did hurt Hillary, but he didn’t do it with the intention of hurting her, as your headline implies.

[ChiTownDenny]

92. I'm not sure it can be claimed that

"he didn't do it with the intention of hurting her". In fact, by all accounts, his actions cost her the election. His motives....

[Adrahil]

74. Hey man, normally on your side, but...,.

The use of the word "to" in your headline implies intent. Change "to" to "that" ir "which" and it's accurate.

[rainin]

28. Yep. Misleading and intended to mislead.

How do i know it was intentional? Poster refused to correct. Excellent catch on your part.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Now you are impugning my motives.

I will be the bigger poster, take the high road, and not respond in kind.

[Demsrule86]

42. Really?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Thank you.

[progressoid]

109. Yes, really.

[Demsrule86]

114. I think this was just silly...nitpicking really, and a long term Duer deserves better...Just my two

cents.

[Demsrule86]

56. making such statements about another poster is so not DU...might want to rethink that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. That's okay.

Some people can only elevate themselves by denigrating others.

[Demsrule86]

77. Yep...well you don't deserve this.

This makes me angry.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. Demsrule86, you're a true friend.

Attacking random posters on the internet says more about the attackers than the attacked.

[NY_20th]

34. It is obvious that the action harmed Clinton's campaign

That is why the IG is reprimanding Comey for breaking protocol.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Why do you think people are focusing on whether I used "to" instead of "that" ?

[brooklynite]

37. ...because you did.

The cite you provided used the phrase: "Comey/FBI took actions THAT negatively impacted Hillary Clinton".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. My question was directed to NY 20th.

Do you or do you not think it's presumptuous to speak for him or her ?


Thank you in advance.

[brooklynite]

45. I was not aware that only the person you ask a question of is allowed to reply.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. You didn't answer my question. Rather than repeat it please see Post 41

Thank you in advance.

[brooklynite]

51. I'm not speaking for anyone else...

You asked why people were focusing on your use of "TO" rather than "THAT". I pointed out that you took a perfectly clear and appropriate title and changed it to suggest an intent that the report does not claim exists.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. That tweet wouldn't fit in the amount of characters we can use in a title here.

That tweet wouldn't fit in the amount of characters we can use in a title here.

So it appears the early conclusion of the IG report -- via Bloomberg -- is that Comey/FBI took actions that negatively impacted Hillary Clinton in 2016

[NY_20th]

39. I have no idea.

It seems rather nitpicky.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Churchill would call it arrant pedantry.

[greyl]

58. Hillary Clinton said "words matter".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. She also said Comey undermined her campaign, did she not ?

[greyl]

67. Yes, and I doubt she would post a misleading headline about the IG report.

And defend her error to the death.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. If it was pointed out to me nicely I might have included the edit in my thread...

If it was pointed out to me nicely I might have included the edit in my thread with the original phrasin.

[greyl]

73. Fuck Misleading Headlines. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. Now

Now I'm

[greyl]

79. Please read post #74 carefully. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. I read it carefully.

YMMV. When a person tosses an F Bomb your way it is logical to assume he or she is not doing it with the best of intentions. It is logical to assume they are doing it to intimidate.

All over a word, smdh.

Not that it's here or there but I was doing four things at once when I started this thread. If someone pointed it out to me nicely I would have edited my post.

[mythology]

111. What is the logical inference if somebody misstates something and refuses to correct it?

And claiming that if only people were nice to you, you would have gladly done it, means you don't actually care about being correct for it's own sake. At least you aren't claiming to take the high road as you did upthread.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

113. I was doing four things at once. I only mentioned I was doing multiple things four times ITT

I believe it's referred to as multitasking


Instead of politely pointing out my alleged error the poster threw shade my way. Some posters had the perspicacity to see it:

It is this HARSH, parental, shaming mode of interacting that constipates open dialogue

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10732189

[enough]

61. I agree. The headline is significantly misleading. NT

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Another poster impugning my motives.

I will be the bigger poster, take the high road, and not respond in kind.

[greyl]

70. Are you being serious?

There is nothing in that post about your motives.
Your OP headline, on the other hand, is about Comey's motives, when the IG report says no such thing.

[OhNo-Really]

88. It is this HARSH, parental, shaming mode of interacting that constipates open dialogue

Brooklynite, this rant is triggered by your comment style but by no means is only fueled by it. I see too much BE RIGHT, negative and argumentative squabbling here.

I am old enough to remember graceful, engaging discourse. I suspect "the hammer" response style effectively keeps some people from speaking here at all.

Perhaps in the future, we can all soften up our comments in a manner that invites enthusiasm to correct a message when needed.

Transactional analysis is a good topic of study. Parent Child Adult modes of communicating.

When we speak in an accusatory, parental tone, we invite an uncooperative, childish response.

It takes time and thought to write and post here. Can we appreciate the effort and message first and suggest a tweak.

Frankly, I wonder when we are hard and even unkind sometimes to each other on this forum if we have lost our way.

I participate in forums elsewhere where the community feels safe to engage, is appreciative, and encouraging. We work as a team to peel away the detracting information and misused words in order to clarify topics.

Bad feelings over a word choice?

Invisible intentions cannot be known.

Can we be more loving always towards each other.

Now, where is my fencing gear? Humor is so much more healing and fun

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. Empathy is part and parcel of liberalism

I participate in forums elsewhere where the community is encouraging, appreciative, and encouraging.

Some people are more like the people they ostensibly condemn than they can ever hope to imagine.

[OhNo-Really]

91. I will always be puzzled by human harshness. We are being driven towards reclusivity.

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Sadly, less democracy and freedom follows less emotionally safe discourse.

Authoritarians know this all too well.

Do we feel safe voicing our opinions?

If not, this is a huge red flag.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. I was doing four things at once and wanted to share the news as soon as I saw it.

I could see how my original post could be misleading. If somebody pointed it out to me nicely I would have included an edit in my original post.

I will abide by people questioning my phrasing. I will not and should not have to abide by people questioning my motives.


I don't believe James Comey intended to undermine Hillary's campaign, but undermine it he did.

[OhNo-Really]

101. Word crafting is .....well, a craft.

I am now considered old. R ducing research to sound bites for a hurried and harried audience is no simple task.

I appreciated your report and flew by the word "to" becauses I don't look for writing moyives from this community.

Thank you for posting.

I spent hours researching an article exposing ALL of the child detention center violations that included a tool to resea ch each facility, history, and some other shocking news.

You can read story here

CAREGIVER BACKGROUND CHECKS at juvenile detention centers not being done properly. And a host of even worse violations.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210730568

The media is not covering this story.


It is difficult to write, copy, and paste on this ipad.

The article got a few comments and 20 recs.

So I ask, why bother.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

102. Maybe this will help

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210730568#post10

[NY_20th]

99. "Do we feel safe voicing our opinions?"

"If not, this is a huge red flag."

Well said.

[mcar]

108. Well said!

DSB's post was clear enough and this news is worth discussion. Nit picking isn't helpful.

[Achilleaze]

7. KGOP republicans haz a major sad

all their perfectly salacious lies just blown right out of the frikken water. No wonder republicans are waging War on Truth & Reality. Sick bastards.

[duforsure]

9. Proves trumps an illegitimate president.

[Wwcd]

11. Nothing we didn't know as soon as he concluded his Late Breaking Media Shitshow

Did you hear the rage from those who damn well knew as they watched Comey sabatoge the future of this country!

So what. The damage he did can never ever be made right. He did his dirty deed & we watch now as our once great respected country has become a hellhole that stretches from our allies abroad to our new & growing Nazi encampments for little kids.


He tore the candidate of Human Rights from our future & gave it to a fking soulless madman.

[Freethinker65]

14. The next question is why did he do it?

I think he was pressured by GOP legislators that received leaked info from the FBI (maybe the same that were informing Guiliani of investigations and probable outcomes before being publicly announced?). Those legislators threatened to go public and smear the FBI with what they knew and accuse the FBI of holding back the info to help Hillary.

[Duppers]

57. Sounds very feasible.

But what will, in all reality, be done?

The sheer amount of criminal activity is overwhelming.

[lunamagica]

95. Wrong. He was not supposed to discuss it, and broke protocol when he did

[Freethinker65]

98. I never said he was right to make the statement. I think Nunes, Gowdy, Chaffetz, etc. pressured him

Pressured Comey to get ahead of the leaked disclosure about Weiner's computer hard drive and the slight, but highly unlikely, possibility more Clinton exchanged emails might be found.

Comey should have let the investigation do its thing. Chaffetz/Nunes/Gowdy/whoever would have then run to the media with the leaked info.

[FarPoint]

32. I don't care today...

I refuse to take the media/ tRump distraction...

Maybe after tRump is indicted ....the freedom of America is my priority.

[pazzyanne]

52. You are correct in what is the most important, FarPoint.

I am so tired of the distractions from what our goal should be. I will believe the report when something happens that changes the direction that we are presently on. Actions speak louder than words.

[lunamagica]

96. You know, it is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time

This is outrageous, and ignoring this kind of stuff is why we keep losing over, and over again.

This is at least the second election stolen in less than 20 years...we should be screaming about it from the rooftops

[Downtown Hound]

44. I'll file that one under no shit

And I don't see how it helps Trump of the Repukes any. They got their use out of Comey, then they tossed him aside when he was no longer useful, and now Comey is pissed (and probably regretting his earlier help). But none of it really matter snow. The Russia probe is bigger than Comey and if anything this only throws cold water on Chump's claim that the whole thing is a witch hunt organized by disgruntled Democrats.

But as for Comey, he can go to hell. He can repent and be as anti-Trump for the rest of his life and it won't make up for what he did. In a way it's kind of poetic justice that Trump ruined his career. Lie down with fleas, get bit. You'd think a man who dedicated his life to fighting crime would know that, but hey, we all have to learn sometime.

[spanone]

48. ...and the right turns on the IG in 1...2...3...

[RandySF]

53. This is what I've been saying about Comey all along

Getting fired by Trump doesn’t make him a good guy.

[DesertRat]

59. Huh. You don't say...

[ananda]

60. I never liked Comey.

What he did to Clinton was so wrong.

And nothing he has done since has made it right,
and nothing ever will !!!!

[SunSeeker]

64. Yep. And Comey's actions worked. The numbers prove it.

Comey's wildly improper October letter sank Hillary's poll numbers enough (and depressed Dem turnout, while encouraging the GOP)) for Trump to win some swing states and the electoral college.

[ChiTownDenny]

94. + 1

[cungar2000]

65. Truly ironic

That the man Comey pretty much single-handedly elected is now his worst enemy.

[SunSeeker]

69. Karma!

Of course, we're fucked along with Comey.

[cungar2000]

72. Yep

I'm wondering when Trump's Karma going to come

[dameatball]

80. I don't give a crap if the headline is slightly misleading. I just read the article and I understand

what it contains. My day was not ruined because someone may have used a variant of the exact wording. Too much bickering over small potatoes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. I was literally doing four things at once when I typed the headline.

[debsy]

85. True THAT! I conquer with what dameatball said!

Stop taking up so much space with blithering blabber.

[maltzmax]

83. Even worse to consider

And didn't he release the memo while they knew that the Trump campaign was communicating with Russian operatives, and that Russia was actively influencing the election? Doesn't this make the timing of the release of the memo even worse?

[heaven05]

89. ya think??!!!!

as sad as this is, I really wish it is Madame President instead of this jaundiced, crooked man and his grifting family making millions off their association with potus and their WH status. Hell, I can't even afford a pair of house shoes this month. FUCK trump and his whole family.

[lunamagica]

97. We all knew that. I despise, despise the bastard

[workinclasszero]

104. Gomer says...

[mcar]

105. Rs will try to spin it their way

But this is the unvarnished truth.

[Iliyah]

106. Geez, we knew awhile back.

Are they going to investigate Rudy G and the New York FBI?

The FBI agent who wrote e-mails to his sweetie also wrote the re-open Benghazi letter for Comey which was promptly sent to the corporate media by repigs.

Yes, let's open up more can of worms.

[sprinkleeninow]

112. Comey took action THAT hurt Hillary TO ruin her success in becoming our CiC.

Take a hike, Comey.