Is it inappropriate of me to point out that ALL police are fascist bullies?

[randome]

What do they think they are doing? Saving lives? Risking their own lives? Getting killed and shot at?

Pigs, right?

We would all be better off without them.

Where is the Westboro Church Gang when you need them?

S A R C A S M

[cthulu2016]

1. It's not either, or

Some of the very bravest cops have also planted evidence and beaten up citizens for no reason.

Unless one wants to maintain that being a fascist bully is somehow nessecary to heroism in other circumstances then what is your argument?

[randome]

3. I'm specifically referring to those who think ALL police are fascist tools.

That point has been claimed more than a few times on DU. I think some DUers have the same sort of willful blindness that Conservatives have when claiming that Republicans manage the economy better.

[cthulu2016]

6. We didn't win WWII by default

Extraordinary courage is not inconsistent with being a fascist tool.

Do you know that the policeman shot today is not a fascist tool? Does putting his life on the line to protect the citizenry mean that he is not a fascist tool?

[randome]

10. I disagree.

Fascist tools do what they are ordered to do. The officer who was shot could have called for backup or taken time to reconnoiter the situation more carefully.

It seems to me his first thought was to prevent more lives from being lost. I'm pointing out that we should recognize that whenever it occurs and not put labels on everyone.

[patrice]

27. All fascist tools may do what they are told to do, but not everyone doing what they are told to do

is a fascist tool.

[NYC_SKP]

8. I predict that >50% of replies will be to your subject line and miss the whole point.

You know, DU and all.

[randome]

13. Probably should not have posted because I don't have the time.

But I wanted to make the point that police sometimes do amazingly heroic things and we should recognize that.

Not all police are heroes and not all are tools.

[NYC_SKP]

17. Hear, hear! Many people tend toward simplification, generalization, and broadbrushing.

Police and soldiers are often victims of abuse here, and it's always made me sad.

K/R

[Confusious]

23. Knd of pisses me off

My brother-in-law is one of the most decent and well adjusted people I know and he's a cop.

He has his failings, but being a facist asshole isn't one.

[randome]

25. I have an ex-brother-in-law in Oregon, a state trooper, who has risked his life many times.

A decent human being, too.

[Fumesucker]

2. It is curious..

"It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare." - Mark Twain

[randome]

4. I think it takes both to confront an armed maniac.

If you think the cop who went into that temple was just a machine following his programming, I don't think you understand what it takes to do the job.

I don't either, but at least I understand that I don't understand it.

[Fumesucker]

5. How do you know what I am or what I've done?

[randome]

7. I don't.

But it seemed to me you were implying that only physical courage was in play at the temple.

Sorry if I misinterpreted.

[Fumesucker]

11. Physical courage is confronting a shooter..

Moral courage would be to confront one's own brother officers when they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

As Twain pointed out, the first sort of courage is common, the latter considerably less so.

[randome]

14. Disagree again.

And why would you presume to know that the officer who was shot does not meet your narrow definition of morality?

Morality is a much wider part of our behavior than confronting fellow officers.

I don't know the officer in question, either. Maybe he's an asshole. But he risked his life and saved the lives of others.

[Fumesucker]

19. People are complex..

And Twain was a truly great observer of human nature..

Police officers speaking out publicly against other officers who have done wrong is so rare as to be remarkable when it does happen.

Certainly I have no way of knowing anything about this particular officer, I applaud his obviously brave actions in this matter. However statistically it's likely that if he were to witness misbehavior by other officers he would keep silent.

[Robb]

24. Statistically, people who dislike police have broken laws.

I applaud however those other, noble spirits guarding us all from creeping fascism.

[Fumesucker]

26. Find someone who has never broken any law..

I neither like nor dislike police but the fact of the matter is that many of them in America are right wing assholes.. I have examples of both good cops and bad cops within my own extended family so I'm familiar with both types..

I had a post up just a few days ago talking about an experience with a family member who is a cop..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1026273

[AnotherMcIntosh]

28. Absolutely!

[leeroysphitz]

9. Why else would a person want to be a cop? n/t

[spanone]

12. you had me goin'!!! bwahahahaha

[randome]

15. I was going to put the word 'pigs' in place of 'fascist bullies'.

But I thought that was too much. The DUers who like to throw the term 'pigs' around will still do so.

[seabeyond]

16. there are a lot of policeperson that abuse their power. i blame the hierarchy

if they had clear lines, and moral leadership, there would not be the same issue.

an officer has the toughest job. they need that support to guide them along the right path when they need it. and brought down when stepping over the line.

and i am feel for every officer that loses his/her life doing their job.

[randome]

20. I believe you.

I just think this incident in Wisconsin is proof -again- that police in the thousands of municipalities of this country, are not some amorphous 'army' taking orders from some hidden puppet master, as some DUers seem to want to believe.

They are heroes and they are villains. Same as the rest of the population.

And I seriously doubt that all these disparate police departments lack the clear lines you -and I- think should be drawn.

[99Forever]

18. Seems like ...

... an effort stir divisiveness to me. Broadbrush generalizations, even those meant to lampoon, do that well, if it's your intention. Have fun with it.

[randome]

21. It's an effort to counter the broad-brush generalizations with sarcasm.

[99Forever]

22. No shit? n/t