Asylum Seekers: "What is YOUR idea of what should happen and how it should happen?"

[Civic Justice]

What is your idea of what should happen and how it should happen?


We may well want to present "Our" ideas on how to handle immigrants seeking Asylum entry to America.

When it comes to people in general and parents with kids, "how would YOU handle it"... may be the dialog that matters. We can easily know what we don't want to happen and what we detest happening, but can we explain how we want things to happen?

I can... and I will !!! .....

the question to each is... can you and will you? explain how you would want it done?

My Idea:

If we are going to detail people for processing and we are spending money to house parents and kids, then we can create the same facilities to house parents with kids in a setting that is humane and respectful, and we can develop a "fair and equitable process where everyone is given the same "equality of opportunity" that was given the influx of Europeans over the past 100= yrs or so.
when they flooded the border of America. We did not separate them, and we gave them a fair shot to be admitted. We can't be a nation that give a fair chance to "white only people", and then turn and have a negative vile method when it comes to people who are non white, and don't come from European countries.

If we spent money to build tents, and use military bases, then we can do it with the EXACT same open regard we gave to the millions of Europeans who flooded this nation through Ellis Island, as well as the Millions more who came by any and many means, including illegal, which includes those who came and overstayed their Visa's and the countless ways that European white people have fled into this country.

If we can create places with attributes while they are being detained, then we can create and use those resource to provide it, while we at the same time "Respectfully", consider their plight with a sense of dignity and integrity, with a system that honors the values we claim to uphold.

We claim to give asylum to people, then we need not have a policy nor attitude that Latin America people from Mexico and Central America are less deserving of asylum as people, when they seek to escape from harms way.

We have massive volume of land in America, and we also have volumes of work that these people are willing to do, that American's are unwilling to do. We can develop a plan and program, where these people can be considered for these works and the areas that these works are needed, because its a fact.. that "White Americans" and "black american's are NOT going to do many of these jobs. No one is going to get a mass of white American who want to work in Vegetable Growing industry, and certainly after the history of slavery, there is not going to be a mass of black american, that are going to go to these fields and pick vegetables, or a variety of other jobs, they were once enslaved and forced to do.

The fact is, when we "know what we want" and know how we can consider and want to address what we want, then we have a better chance of getting that done. But when we only show our detesting attitude about the vile that is being done, without offering up 'ideals as to how it can be done, and show the benefits of having it done by such means... then we are not going to have the same affect to change the minds of Republicans.

We have to show how it can be done, and what can be the positive benefit of doing it a designed way by the ideal and outline, then we have a better chance to support our ideals and the case regarding immigration of people who cross illegally seeking asylum.
The average person who came here knowing they have nothing, and must get away from the violence of their land, they come willing to do what every work they can. They come knowing that Americans are not going to do various jobs and they come willing to do those jobs and do them with a determination and dedication, as they look to their childrens future in the long term, and they are willing to do this work to pave a way for their children to have a better future, and they know... this work... is a benefit and help to America, as their way of showing.. they support America.

That's the message we may want to invest ourselves to promote, to promote the understanding that can support the dignity and integrity of the people who want to come here, they people who need to come here for asylum's sake, and at the same time, demonstrate our sense of dignity and integrity as American, to know our own truth, and understand our own need and benefit of them coming here.

America has an aging workforce, and we have a high volume of America's who are determined NOT to do certain jobs, yet we know those jobs are valuable.

Then we may need to frame our message and promote it, with IDEAS.. of how to do what we must do... to support the integrity we say we have as American, and how we deal and treat those who come seeking asylum.

How we win....

[Civic Justice]

1. Silence says that maybe some don't know...

how can anyone get what they want, when they don't even know what it is they want and how best to get it? An Idea, helps build what become "A plan", and by planning is how things are achieved, but it first begins with an ideal laid out as a plan.

That's a simple principle in life, business and any other aims, "To Have A Plan".... and be able to actually communicate the plan... because a "plan" lays out the means and methods of achieving goals. communicating the Plan, is the means to get others on board to support the plan.

We might not like the Republican Plan, ( yes its a poor plan, but it is a plan).... We need to promote our own plan !!!
so,... what is your Ideas, that can be converted into a plan ???

If any of us are afraid, un willing, and have no idea... of a plan, then to criticize a plan we don't like, is not going to change that plan, until we have a plan that has potential to work and demonstrate that WE have a better plan.

If you have no ideas then it might be worth it to try and develop some... One can't even talk to their congress people, about what to do, if they have no ideas about what to do and how it might be done.

that's might just explain why we are getting nowhere as to having a working plan, that actually can support the values we say we want to uphold in doing what we do, and how we do it.

If you feel challenged by this... by right, you should feel challenged... if you expect change and a plan to move ahead, it mattes to have ideals that can be made into plan, and develop the plan based on the ideas that can make it work.

you can resent me all you want for posing the questions.... it won't change a thing, until you present your own ideas.

[thucythucy]

2. Considering we spend three quarters of a TRILLION dollars

on the military every year, much of it waste, we can certainly find the funds to adjudicate in a timely manner those seeking asylum, and house them humanely and ethically while their cases are being heard.

We could also go a long way to alleviating the conditions in Central America that are fueling this exodus. The Obama administration had started to do this, but Trump of course has derailed and defunded that program.

It's important to remember that the US has historically intervened in Central America in ways that have contributed to creating the horrors that these people are seeking to escape. The US overthrow of the democratically elected government of Guatemala in the 1950s led to decades of military dictatorship and civil war causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. US support of brutal regimes in El Salvador likewise has contributed to the awful conditions prevailing in that country.

Americans for some reason tend to think that we can do awful things to a country one year, and then forget all about it in the years and decades that follow. We're now discovering what it's like to have foreigners interfere with our internal politics, The damage done will take decades to repair. Imagine then the long term effects of our interventions--carried out over the course of a century or more--on small nations in Central America.

[Civic Justice]

3. Thank you,

That is certainly a viable idea.... and step than can be formulated within a plan.... ( appreciate you investing thought and expressing it).

I too have long thought about it, and asked the question, why did we ship so much 8,000 miles away, when we have people willing to do the work, next door in Central America, and they have long shown they are determined workers, and want to make better their lives.

I also wonder, if we can have spent so much money in the Middle East, chasing OIL... why we can't invest resource to help Central America, clean up their gangs and the violence and focus on "Safe Zones" without those countries.

We certainly have to have a "multi prong plan"... again, thank you for opening this line of dialog.

[thucythucy]

4. You're welcome.

Best wishes.

[Demsrule86]

5. No facilities...which are never humane..ankle bracelets and release into the community

which also cost way less...there was a very successful program Trump ended.

[Civic Justice]

6. That an interesting thought....

and let the people who have the jobs no one else is pursuing, and ensure they pay no less than the minimum wage but also pay what the labor is worth. If some are skilled, let them compete with their skills for those jobs.

When America faces the truth of its aging population, and the young generation who simply don't want to do certain jobs, then maybe people will wake up to the truth, and give these people the same chance that "white Europeans" were given when they came here.
the bulk of these people from Central America and Mexico have long proven their potential and demonstrated their dedication and they have generations of people who have contributed much to America.

heck, Trump would likely be the first trying to hire them, because he detest paying Americans....

Appreciate your thoughts, its ideas to build upon... this is the kind of narrative we must promote. again, thank you.

[Civic Justice]

7. too many of the resentful people are too big minded to even present thoughts, and they don't know

how lowly and lackadaisical they make the democrats look... while they sit there in resentment, because someone urged them to think and talk and write.

I guaranteed I can post the same thing on a Republican dominated site, and they will flood it with their thoughts and ideas, because they have thoughts and ideas about Asylum Seeker, and how to deal with them, that they want to voice.

Us... we can't even see the benefit in such an inquiry, because they think they are hurting the writer, so they attack by silence, and that tells more about them, than it does about anything else.

I won't back up on support for Democrats' but many of these don't represent much faith in us being smarter than the ones we continue to claim are ignorant... One they is a fact, they are not too ignorant to state their thoughts and ideas, and they are not too ignorant to promote narrative and keep narrative alive.

We need to learn the value of that lesson. Not talk about whether they are wrong, but to outline and improve upon what we think is wrong in what they say and what they propose.

But the people here can't even do that.

Thank you to those who shared ideas, and took the time to write out your thoughts, I know you demonstrate well you want to find ways to make it better. rather than to just spin in time with jokes and puns about Trump and Trump antics.

You serve the ideals of the Democrats well, to be willing and of courage enough to state your ideas, that others may read and build upon them.

you are the type of people I'm trying to reach in my posting, as well as new people, young people and those who seem to be confused to the point they have not found the means to project and promote their voice.

I'll keep trying, because I know there has to many more out there like you, who understand the value of ideas and thouhts promoted that generate commentary narrative.

[Civic Justice]

8. If

people can't stand a little heat in here, what are they going to do when Republican come after them? if they can't spill their ideas and thoughts in this forum? then will they get tongue tied, and mind blank when confronted by Republicans asking them to explain their ideas.
Preparation is a interesting thing, and has a purpose for its existence. as is practice, to practice ones understanding that they can effectively deliver their ideas when confronted by the opposition.

Weakness nor Timidity will work, because Republican will steam roll over that, and slinging a pun or a joke, will be bulldozed over while they laugh back at us.

As with even steel, it has to be heated to gain its temperament... without it, it is subject to breakage and may even crack and crumble in to fragmented pieces.


One liner slap stick put down may have worked during segregation upon and against black, when they could not respond back, because of the force the white people had to use the law. But with Republican, they are not black and they have never had the need to hold back for fear of the law, because they drove the acts of the law, to follow up on their put down commentary...

So, we best know a new strategy is needed, and that strategy is dialog with viable content... one has to study their adversary in order to know howto defend but also and more so how to attack and subdue their adversary.

We better understand why we are called snowflakes... because fact is a snowflake melts at the first sign of heat. We can't afford to become a standing puddle... Therefore, we can't withstand being what every they consider us as being snowflakes...

We better learn to breath fire, or at least know how to make use of a fire stick... because the Republican will not relenquish their forward march and full on attacks. Walking into a battle in a tee shirt, might just not work, with thin skin exposed. We must attire our self, both mentally and content wise, for the battles we face.