OMG... Hospital spokesman just said

[cthulu2016]

That they were well prepared to handle the victims of the Sikh temple shooting because, "It is not unusual for us to get multiple shooting victims in a single day."

Business as usual.

[xchrom]

1. du rec. nt

[abelenkpe]

2. "It is not unusual for us to get multiple shooting victims in a single day."

Sad

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Yes, trauma one level alerts are common.

Sad to say, but the raw numbers are an average day in many cities on the wrong side of tracks.

[villager]

4. "We are, after all, an American hospital in a land with craven politicians and deranged gun-horders"

"...so we've done the math."

[barbtries]

11. if only

the spokesperson had said that aloud. but i recall after the giffords massacre when - was it the mayor? - some official actually stated for the record that hate radio and things such as palin's crosshairs had created an atmosphere that encourages such behavior, he was basted pretty hard by the right.

[villager]

13. Bullies and psychopaths will always blast people for telling the truth about them...

..the sad thing is the large herd here in American allowing themselves to be bullied...

[barbtries]

14. agreed.

too sad.

[Mosby]

46. it was the pima county sheriff who said that.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/pima-sheriff-clarence-dupnik-calls-out-vitr

[barbtries]

50. yes, thank you.

i just couldn't recall the details.

[RZM]

40. That makes very little sense

Most gun violence is not political. I think most of it has to do with baseline criminality. Things like drug disputes, gang wars, and personal beefs, etc., probably account for most gun violence.

Events like the Giffords shooting, Aurora (which probably wasn't political anyway), and the Sikh temple attract a lot of attention precisely because they are out of the ordinary and not indicative of most gun violence. Nobody much cares when a drug dealer gets shot for selling on the a rival's turf, or a man gets shot for having sex with another man's former girlfriend, or when somebody shoots their neighbor for stealing his jewelry to pay for drugs. Those are the kinds of shooting scenarios I imagine this hospital tends to see.

[Bandit]

41. ALL gun violence is Political especially when the conversion is about sensible gun regulation

[RZM]

45. No it isn't

All you're really saying here is that gun regulation issues are political and a function of the state. That doesn't make shootings political acts.

It's the same with drunk driving. The state decides who gets to have a license, who gets it taken away for DUIs, and how much alcohol you can have in your system while driving. But nobody is going to argue that drunk driving deaths are political simply because the state makes drunk driving laws.

Add to that the fact that many perpetrators of gun violence are already breaking existing laws just by possessing a gun in the first place. Many of them are already felons, or are packing in prohibited areas, or whatever. That actually applies to the driving issue as well. I went to traffic court about 10 years ago and my case wasn't called until the end. I was literally the only person in the room with a valid drivers license.

[Bandit]

48. You are suggesting that Law and Order is not political..

Naive is the word that comes to mind..

[RZM]

51. Of course it is

Public safety issues are political. But killing somebody at a party over a personal dispute is not a political act, regardless of the tool used.

Again, the drunk driving analogy. Determining the BAC content limit is political. Getting behind the wheel after a long night at the bar isn't.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. a nation awash in guns. what could possibly go wrong?

[Brigid]

42. And awash in stupidity too.

Yes, what could possibly go wrong?

[proud patriot]

6. Just awful ...

[lunatica]

7. That's heartbreaking

How utterly sad. What a terrible thing to live with.

[hlthe2b]

8. Well, they are within the capture of Milwaukee, after all. I'm sorry I can't be surprised, but...

mot urban hospitals would say the same.

[cthulu2016]

12. Our military has doctors train in ERs of domestic hospitals

to get needed experience with gun shot wounds.

I am sure some urban hospitals see 3, 4, 5 a night. But this hospital didn't strike me as being downtown or anything.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Yup..and military medics go out on calls

Into the colloquially known gun and knife club.

[kestrel91316]

16. St. Luke's is right in the city, not downtown per se, but almost.

Froedert is a bit to the west.

My sister and BIL work at St. Luke's.

[cthulu2016]

18. Thanks. On TV the area looks

very low-density... but I suppose St. Lukes might not be the closest hospital. It wouldn't be unusual to go to the best trauma center.

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. Is that for real?

Stunning reality.
I admit to living a sheltered life in the rural backwaters. So what the level of violence is in the urban areas now, I have no clue.

[cthulu2016]

24. Sure. Under Carter and Reagan and Clinton we had no real "shooting wars."

The only way military doctors could learn to treat gunshots was in the civilian sector.

[TheMightyFavog]

23. The Urinal-Sentinel did a piece on hospitals treating GSWs in Milwaukee a few years back

IIRC, they were based out of Froedtert. IIRC, the article said Froedtert sees a lot of gang-rleated gun violence from Milwaukee's rougher neighborhoods...

[RedCappedBandit]

9. Sad - but not surprising

[Fumesucker]

10. Freedumb isn't free you know.. n/t

[Bucky]

36. It is if you don't pay taxes.

[mnhtnbb]

17. True. Gangs. Domestic abuse. Kids finding guns unsecured.

It's all in a day at an American hospital ER.

[lastlib]

19. When will the killing STOP????

The blood is on the hands of the NRA and the craven politicians they've bought off so the gun makers who sponsor them can go about selling their tools of death, as much as it is the shooter's hands. They are the ones who allow this to happen because their profits and their toys are more important to them than the lives of the victims. It has got to end.

[Reasonable_Argument]

20. Does the ACLU have blood on its hands when a killer uses his constitutional rights and is set free?

This is a horrible tragedy but you're letting your emotions override your reason.

[lastlib]

33. I believe I was quite rational, cogent, and completely factual.

If you believe differently, then perhaps your reason is what is being overridden. It must take something bordering on psychopathy to think that possession of inanimate objects takes a priority over human life. Those who have this condition should seek professional help.

[Reasonable_Argument]

35. Interesting strawman

But I didn't say that. Without going over the people who use guns for self defense and what not I'll simply say that I find nothing rational, cogent, or factual with your response. It's reactionary, absurd, and considerably biased towards nothing more than the charachure of gun owners you've created in your mind. Saying people who support our constitutional rights care nothing for human lives is insulting and childish.

[jaysunb]

37. Maybe we should revist the 2nd amendment...

it appears it's a classic example of, " trying to fit a man into a boys coat." And, while we're at it, I'd like to see it ( Constitution) classify me as a whole person and not just 3/5ths.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. At the Banning Hospital they used to talk about the weekly meeting...

...of the "Indio Knife and Gun Club".

[Enrique]

25. maybe the U.S. is one big experiment

a training ground for the medical profession.

[truedelphi]

28. If so, I have never heard or read of any comments

By emergency room personnel that are in support of our current gun laws.

The people that have to do the repair work on the inner city kids killing other inner city kids, and of course, the toddlers caught in the cross fire, are really fed up with the nation's gun laws.

[Mojorabbit]

26. I worked at a small hospital in the 70's and 80's

as a critical care nurse and it was not unusual then.

[JI7]

27. See, what other Country can say this, we are # 1 , thank GOD , Bless USA.........

[postulater]

29. Froedtert is the state's trauma center.

That's where they take the worst trauma victims. It's right next to the Medical College of Wisconsin so they have access to all the stuff they need.

Milwaukee has urban probs like any other city but it's not a war zone.

[brewens]

30. Reminds me of a news story about postal service being stopped at a Chicago

housing project. This was several years ago. A local radio morning show team was making fun of it. The story said deliveries were stopped because of "excessive" gun fire. Your normal every day gun fire was no problem but when it gets excessive, no way!

[longship]

31. OMFG!

Just OMFG!

Is this sourced?

[cthulu2016]

32. He was on the phone on CNN

The hospital seems to be the one in the area with the best trauma center, so it isn't surprising, really.

But it's jarring to be reminded.

[deaniac21]

34. That's sikh!

[Fozzledick]

38. Every Friday and Saturday night.

Bar-room brawls and domestic arguments aggravated by weekend drinking.

It's mind-boggling what we've come to accept as normal.

[Patiod]

39. It the price we pay for what has been interpreted as 2nd amendment rights

Lot of folks on here argue that there's nothing that can or should be done about it. They come crawling out of the gungeon every time there's a shooting to make sure no one maligns their precious right to be part of a well-regulated militia.

[sarcasmo]

43. The hospitals in Detroit would say the same thing.

[slackmaster]

44. I'm sure it's a little unusual for them to get multiple shooting victims from the same incident

Like any other city, Milwaukee has multiple single-victim violent crimes every day. No doubt that hospital gets its share of stabbings and vehicle accident traumas too.

[Initech]

47. In medical school my brother treated many, many gunshot victims as an ER specialist.

Sad but true - we live in a culture where the gun is worshipped. It's scary.

[sad sally]

49. Look at the statistics - there's lots of opportunity for learning how to treat gunshot victims.

In 2009, guns took 11,493 Americans lives in homicides, 18,375 in suicides and 554 in unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.

Another 66,769 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2009.

Guns were used to kill more than two-thirds of spouse and ex-spouse homicide victims between 1990 and 2005.