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trof

(54,256 posts)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 07:52 PM Aug 2012

"Social" media and the end of family conversation. (a smallish rant)

My daughter and her family are visiting us.
She and my son-in-law ( and our 10 year old grandson and 5 year old granddaughter) live 1500 miles away.
They come here once a year.
We go there 2-3 times a year.
It's pretty much the same now, here or there.

We're in the living room.
Some of us.
She's on her i-something facing or tweeting or whatever.
IF SIL IS in the living room he's doing the same.
More likely he's back in the bedroom on his bluetooth and i-something taking care of business.
He's very busy.

Grandson is in his room playing a video game, or watching a video, or who knows on his i-something.

Well, we do have our granddaughter all to ourselves, and she is a delight.

She doesn't have an i-something...yet.
Probably next year.


I can remember, just a few years ago, when we'd just...talk.
Face to face.
Out loud.

We'd talk politics, which (happily) we all agree on.
Or cute/funny things the kids had done.
Or how their schooling was going.
Or the price of groceries and how great farmers' markets were.

I don't remember specific conversations about cabbages and kings, but we might have.
We discussed a wide range of subjects.
I guess that's all over.
More's the pity.
Dang.

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"Social" media and the end of family conversation. (a smallish rant) (Original Post) trof Aug 2012 OP
Tell them to knock it off. Brickbat Aug 2012 #1
I'm not a dictator. trof Aug 2012 #3
It sounds like they're hurting your feelings, though. Brickbat Aug 2012 #4
Meal times are good. trof Aug 2012 #27
When we have our family reunions we have a clear policy re phones malaise Aug 2012 #31
Couldn't you tell them you miss the conversation and interaction? pnwmom Aug 2012 #38
Be happy riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #2
+1 freshwest Aug 2012 #7
So sorry. Miz t.'s family is like that. trof Aug 2012 #17
I'm an X'er, but this still somewhat applies: sadbear Aug 2012 #5
love that. So true! They are missing the world around them. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #10
Today, my granddaughter and I played "I spy with my little eye" BanzaiBonnie Aug 2012 #43
Oh boy. Case closed. trof Aug 2012 #18
This picture is actually sad. They're literally walking around blind to their surroundings Blaukraut Aug 2012 #24
"Smart Phones" Plucketeer Aug 2012 #6
meanwhile, you're posting on DU while they're in the other room scheming daemons Aug 2012 #8
They are/were at the outlet mall. trof Aug 2012 #15
Agreed. But you can tell them to stop. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #9
Yup, we have I-Things nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #14
We just don't 'tell'. trof Aug 2012 #19
They said the same thing nichomachus Aug 2012 #11
yeah, but you would turn the radio or teevee down or off datasuspect Aug 2012 #13
Spot on, ds. You nailed it. trof Aug 2012 #16
You might think that people would turn off the TV, but you'd be wrong.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #21
we weren't brought up that way datasuspect Aug 2012 #28
it's intentional datasuspect Aug 2012 #12
Eh, you are what you eat.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #22
Just make a rule about it for your house. Do you let anyone smoke in your house? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #20
When my cousin, sister and I would host Thanksgiving dinner out in San Francisco, we would smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #23
We're so rural, we don't even have teevee!! No cable out here and the satellite is $$ and unreliable riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #36
Rule 1. I smoke in MY house. trof Aug 2012 #30
Oh, I don't care what the actual rules may be for your house. Just that you can make a gadget rule riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #35
Is your family grossed out by the smoking? WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2012 #39
No.. They love me and they're very understanding. trof Aug 2012 #45
We used to call that visiting. yellerpup Aug 2012 #25
We just went on a trip with a couple of teens. Beartracks Aug 2012 #26
Yeah, I could kill the wifi. trof Aug 2012 #32
Then start talking jeff47 Aug 2012 #29
Oh we talk. At dinner. trof Aug 2012 #33
Well, you want to talk more. So talk more. jeff47 Aug 2012 #34
I'm with all those who have been saying it's your house, you can set the rules. SheilaT Aug 2012 #37
Take out a board game or deck of cards Incitatus Aug 2012 #40
Maybe make a new house rule Butterbean Aug 2012 #41
I have a sister in law who does that--goes to family gatherings and spends all her time TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #42
I use social media to keep in touch with friends and family. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2012 #44

trof

(54,256 posts)
3. I'm not a dictator.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 07:55 PM
Aug 2012

We're all very close and I wouldn't hurt their feeling for anything.
I'm hoping it will eventually wear off?

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
4. It sounds like they're hurting your feelings, though.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 07:58 PM
Aug 2012

Deem one room as gadget-free. Or an hour. Or mealtimes.

If you're looking for something everyone can play that will provide lots of discussion, try Apples to Apples. It's good for a wide variety of ages and is something that adults and kids can play together without either group dying of boredom.

trof

(54,256 posts)
27. Meal times are good.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:45 PM
Aug 2012

No i-somethings.
TV is off.
Dinner music (my choice) is on.
Softly.

We do things together away from the house.
It's just IN the house.

malaise

(268,997 posts)
31. When we have our family reunions we have a clear policy re phones
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:48 PM
Aug 2012

none during meals or family discussions. It works - there's a lot of private time for phones.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
38. Couldn't you tell them you miss the conversation and interaction?
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:42 PM
Aug 2012

It's not great for their kids, either.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
10. love that. So true! They are missing the world around them.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 08:18 PM
Aug 2012

I also despise the dvd players in cars. God forbid your kid looks out the window and imagines something new.. instead of being entertained 24/7.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
9. Agreed. But you can tell them to stop.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 08:17 PM
Aug 2012

That's very rude when people do that. I don't care if it's family. It'd never fly in my house. Now, I don't expect to talk 24/7, like some families want to do.. but if someone wants to check emails, they can say "I'm going to go check emails" or they can say they're going to take a nap or just go outside for while.

In my immediate family, we can't STOP talking.. it's a riot, and a laugh fest whenever we get together. If we're together for a few days, we definitely take time away from each other to do stuff like that.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. Yup, we have I-Things
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:06 PM
Aug 2012

one right now is running the EMS scanner (while I watch Rachel, got the watch as it were)...

I use the other right now to write some fiction (in spanish, due to work needs I need to practice my native tongue)...

But seriously, people can ask to turn all these devices off and have some dinner.

Rule here is no tv for dinner...

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
13. yeah, but you would turn the radio or teevee down or off
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:02 PM
Aug 2012

especially with company in the house.

and you were considered quite the rude person if you didn't have ashtrays and cigarettes for people to smoke.

our little screens and devices take us to a self-absorbed world devoid of any social graces.

the compulsive finger fucking of small handsets and tablets has made many, many people into oblivious little shitbirds.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
12. it's intentional
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 08:59 PM
Aug 2012

when you destroy face to face communication, you destroy community.

keep people glued to devices and teevee, fatten 'em up on fast food, and wait 'til they die.

i'm starting to believe our masters are actually aliens and they are growing us for food.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
20. Just make a rule about it for your house. Do you let anyone smoke in your house?
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:17 PM
Aug 2012

Shoes off at the door? Everyone says please and thank you?

So make some rules about the electronic gadgets in your house. At our house there's no electronic gadgets allowed at the table during mealtimes. Ever. That applies to everyone. When company comes over, there's no electronic gadgets allowed while they are on the premises visiting (that includes the patio, porch etc) as well as at the table. I also tell my guests that in an apologetic tone (but firmly phrased) as a way to reinforce it. I usually explain that its part of my manners training for my own kids but everyone gets the message that it applies to all... sometimes someone will say they're expecting an important call or text and of course that's fine.

When someone's coming over to stay for an extended visit, we usually talk about it before they get to my house. I tell them our rules but of course I let them know they're our guests and I want them to be comfortable. I tell them the texting at the table rule is inviolate but I certainly understand if they have important business that needs to be attended to while we're visiting and that thats fine.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
23. When my cousin, sister and I would host Thanksgiving dinner out in San Francisco, we would
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:26 PM
Aug 2012

unplug the television set and tell people it wasn't working (we'd disguise the unplugged cord) and therefore nobody could tune out in front of some stupid ball game (sorry, sports lovers) but we thought the holiday was a time for people to get together and socialize and enjoy each other's company. If some people didn't like it, they were free to leave and go to a sports bar or go home and watch the game, but at least they weren't spoiling what our idea of Thanksgiving was about.

It's not for everyone, but it worked for us.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
36. We're so rural, we don't even have teevee!! No cable out here and the satellite is $$ and unreliable
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:00 PM
Aug 2012

Works wonders. I like your idea though. If I ever leave this place and move elsewhere, I'm definitely using it! I hate the way the teevee magnetizes everyone. There's no convo, no gathering in the kitchen to confab or help....

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
35. Oh, I don't care what the actual rules may be for your house. Just that you can make a gadget rule
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:58 PM
Aug 2012

My place is a no smoking zone as soon as you turn into the driveway off the street because the whole place is a huge tinderbox!

But pets are allowed on the furniture, swearing is fine by anyone of any age any time, and being late for meals because you've lost track of the time is just fine.

Sounds like the gadgets are something that you'd like to see a little less of in your house. That's perfectly okay to make a rule about it in my book.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
39. Is your family grossed out by the smoking?
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:22 PM
Aug 2012

Maybe that's why they're not spending that much time with you in the same room.

trof

(54,256 posts)
45. No.. They love me and they're very understanding.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 05:34 PM
Aug 2012

Maybe you're not able to understand that kind of relationship.
I'm sorry for you.

When they're here I smoke in my office.
It's about the only room I smoke in anyway.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
25. We used to call that visiting.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:42 PM
Aug 2012

As a child I remember being invited onto my grandmother's lap. She would say, "Why don't you hop up here and have a little visit with me?" Sigh. I miss grandma's lap.

Have a nice family dinner that none of them would dream of missing, and over dinner, tell them a story about a memorable visit you had with your favorite relative. Give them something to remember. Make them laugh and they'll want to share their stories with you to make you laugh and keep it going. Wishing you a good visit with your loved ones.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
26. We just went on a trip with a couple of teens.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:43 PM
Aug 2012

And wouldn't you know, at my parents' house the modem/router is not wireless. Without wi-fi, their iPods were dead in the water. So when we weren't out doing tourist-y things, we played cards and talked quite a bit. Well, there was a Kindle around, so people took turns reading every now and then (books that were already downloaded).

So, just thinking out loud.... unless their i-somethings have cell phone capabilities, you could try disconnecting any wi-fi and claiming, er, technical difficulties.


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trof

(54,256 posts)
32. Yeah, I could kill the wifi.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:52 PM
Aug 2012

But SIL does have a job that requires him to be in touch 24/7.
He's 'on vacation' but also chief legal/compliance officer for a large pharmaceutical co.
He put out a VERY big fire this a.m.
Came totally out of the blue, but he HAD to deal with it.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
37. I'm with all those who have been saying it's your house, you can set the rules.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 10:39 PM
Aug 2012

More to the point, it is so totally rude to be face down in some device instead of talking directly with the people that are right there.

As for SIL's job that requires 24/7 access, even when he's on vacation, makes me wonder how anything ever got done before 24/7 access. Gosh, did a business just totally implode, or what?

The reality is, that people, no matter what their position in a company, need also to learn that they can say No, they can say they'll be on vacation and not available for a week or so.

Stepping back down off soap box.

Butterbean

(1,014 posts)
41. Maybe make a new house rule
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:46 PM
Aug 2012

Do it in a fun, happy go lucky fashion, so it goes over better. Make a poster, make it sparkly and glittery and crap (glitter is always a yes ) and display the new house rules there. The house rules can be things like:

-outright ban of non-medical electronic devices at the dinner table
-carve out several 2 hour blocks of time during the day where everyone has to be present, and electronic devices are banned. Declare those 2 hours family game time or something to make it fun.

Yes, they'll whine and moan, but oh well. They'll deal with it.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
42. I have a sister in law who does that--goes to family gatherings and spends all her time
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:08 AM
Aug 2012

texting and facebooking with people she'd RATHER be talking to. In other words, pretty much anyone but us. But hey, she thinks she gets credit for merely gracing us with her physical presence. Having to interact with us across the table...hell no.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
44. I use social media to keep in touch with friends and family.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:37 AM
Aug 2012

It's all in how you use it ...just like anything else.

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