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spinbaby

(15,092 posts)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:49 AM Aug 2012

I've had it with all this whining about freedom

After listening to another teabagger whine about how Obama and his big bad government is going to take our freedoms, I decided to list some of the great freedoms we can experience in their Republican fantasy land:

The freedom to work for slave wages.

The freedom to work while sick.

The freedom to experience random gun violence.

The freedom to be discriminated against because you’re black, female, gay, smart, Muslim, or just not flag-waving patriotic enough.

The freedom to invest your retirement funds in opaque, unregulated markets.

The freedom to pay more taxes so billionaires can pay less.

The freedom to die without insurance.

The freedom to be ignorant.

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I've had it with all this whining about freedom (Original Post) spinbaby Aug 2012 OP
Every Time I Hear Some Right-Wing Douche Sputter Out The Word "Freedom".............. ChoppinBroccoli Aug 2012 #1
Yes, yes, yes. 12AngryBorneoWildmen Aug 2012 #5
You just listed the Teabaggers' Bill of Rights, spinbaby. bulloney Aug 2012 #2
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY... rfranklin Aug 2012 #3
The G0Pee excels at accusing the other side of things they do. Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #4
Yes Animal Chin Aug 2012 #7
"You are intolerant if you dare call out my intolerance!!!!" JoePhilly Aug 2012 #9
Freedumb! FSogol Aug 2012 #6
When Republicans talk about freedom, they mean Blue Meany Aug 2012 #8
Yes teabillies, I know a place that fits your definition of freedom. part man all 86 Aug 2012 #10
Repubs are about freedom TO, Democrats are about freedom FROM n2doc Aug 2012 #11
The Four Freedoms!! longship Aug 2012 #13
Yes. Thank you. nt Chorophyll Aug 2012 #15
Freedom, to a Republican, means "White Male Privilege" bhikkhu Aug 2012 #12
You've nailed it. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #14
I heard a good opinion that right-wingers see freedom as a "zero-sum" game ... Ian_rd Aug 2012 #16
The reich-wing is trapped in a "zero-sum" mentality. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #19
I've long felt the motto of the right is, BarbaRosa Aug 2012 #17
There is an Australian playground rhyme, of all things, which just about sums up the nature of right LeftishBrit Aug 2012 #18
They are like dogs who want more freedom for their owners DaveJ Aug 2012 #20
too often, talk handmade34 Aug 2012 #21
Well I think this from today qualifies... Mojorabbit Aug 2012 #22
Freedom for the most ruthless, most dishonest, most avaricious... JHB Aug 2012 #23
The freedom to shit in the reservoir n/t eridani Aug 2012 #24

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,786 posts)
1. Every Time I Hear Some Right-Wing Douche Sputter Out The Word "Freedom"..............
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:02 AM
Aug 2012

.............it makes me think of that line from "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo."

"Isn't it interesting how Fascists always steal the word 'freedom' first."

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
4. The G0Pee excels at accusing the other side of things they do.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:12 AM
Aug 2012

Whether it's comparing Obama to Hitler and calling him a racist, or painting liberals as murderers for favoring abortion rights even though most conservatives favor the death penalty and oppose food safety standards.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. "You are intolerant if you dare call out my intolerance!!!!"
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:22 AM
Aug 2012

Standard Tea Party Logic.

They also scream ... "You are a racist if you dare call out my racism!!!"

The tend to project a great deal.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
8. When Republicans talk about freedom, they mean
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:16 AM
Aug 2012

the freedom to trample on the rights of others:

freedom to pollute the air, water and land;

freedom to profiteer, to make money without providing products or services;

freedom to exploit the commons for private gain;

and so forth

part man all 86

(367 posts)
10. Yes teabillies, I know a place that fits your definition of freedom.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:30 AM
Aug 2012

A place that you can say what you want.
A place that has no taxes.
A place where you are not forced to buy insurance.
A place where climate change is a hoax.
A place where science is scorned.
A place that believes in lies over truth.
A place run by a very old conservative.

Hell.

One catch, you cannot leave it once there.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
11. Repubs are about freedom TO, Democrats are about freedom FROM
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:31 AM
Aug 2012

In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression—everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way—everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want—which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants—everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear—which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor—anywhere in the world.
That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb.
—Franklin D. Roosevelt

bhikkhu

(10,725 posts)
12. Freedom, to a Republican, means "White Male Privilege"
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:06 AM
Aug 2012

Even the kinder natures in the party who enjoy the idea of giving similar freedoms to women and minorities, essentially they look at it as theirs to give, or to take away.

Ian_rd

(2,124 posts)
16. I heard a good opinion that right-wingers see freedom as a "zero-sum" game ...
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:13 PM
Aug 2012

I wish I could give credit, but I can't remember where I heard it. But the gist of it is that if, say, women win the right to vote, then somehow the right-wingers feel like some of their own freedom has been taken away for it to happen. Or if gays can marry, then somehow right-winger marriages suffer as a result. Or if Hispanics can be protected from profiled traffic stops, then some freedom must have been taken from right-wingers for this to pass. Or if Muslims are allowed to build a mosque, then their own religious freedom is somehow is infringed.

This really seems to ring true to understand why they get so pissed off when someone different from them is allowed to do something that they typically enjoy exclusively.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
19. The reich-wing is trapped in a "zero-sum" mentality.
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:47 PM
Aug 2012

For them to be successful, others must be unsuccessful. For them to have a job, others must be jobless. For them to have a home, others must be homeless. For them to have civil liberties, others must be denied civil liberties. For them 'win' a war, others must 'lose' a war. What they don't seem to comprehend is that there's only "win-win" or "lose-lose" in social dynamics. War is the most obvious. Nobody "wins" a war. Everyone loses in a war. Nonetheless, we're totally awash in the false meme of "win the war." The GOP has gone MAD ... Mutually Assured Destruction. Their failure to comprehend the underlying tenet of MAD during the Cold War (that war is "lose-lose&quot led the to adopt it as a "good idea" and declare wars on every social front -- reproduction, civil rights, economics, and even voting. (Yes, Voter ID is just one more example.)

BarbaRosa

(2,685 posts)
17. I've long felt the motto of the right is,
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:18 PM
Aug 2012

"How dare you do to us what we do to you, it's unfair, illegal, and we just will not stand for it!"

LeftishBrit

(41,212 posts)
18. There is an Australian playground rhyme, of all things, which just about sums up the nature of right
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 12:19 PM
Aug 2012

libertarianism.

'Australia is a free land
Free without a doubt.
If you haven't any dinner,
Then you're free to go without.'

DaveJ

(5,023 posts)
20. They are like dogs who want more freedom for their owners
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 01:06 PM
Aug 2012

And if you look at it, their logic meets the same criteria. 'We need them to survive.' 'They are good people'. 'They provide for us.' Cons have the feeling they can't accomplish anything n their own, so they need their masters to provide everything.

handmade34

(22,759 posts)
21. too often, talk
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 01:17 PM
Aug 2012

of freedom gives license to disrespect and avoid responsibility to the whole of society... sure doesn't make for a healthy society/community...

freedom is different things to different people

"...freedom is just another word for nothin' to lose
nothing ain't worth nothin' if it ain't free..."


Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
22. Well I think this from today qualifies...
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 04:16 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014187587
Appeals Court OKs Warrantless Wiretapping

Source: Wired

The federal government may spy on Americans’ communications without warrants and without fear of being sued, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday in a decision reversing the first and only case that successfully challenged President George W. Bush’s once-secret Terrorist Surveillance Program.

“This case effectively brings to an end the plaintiffs’ ongoing attempts to hold the executive branch responsible for intercepting telephone conversations without judicial authorization,” a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals wrote.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
23. Freedom for the most ruthless, most dishonest, most avaricious...
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 05:39 PM
Aug 2012

...to do whatever they want with everyone else.

"Evil will always triumph because Good is dumb" was a joke, not a philosophy.

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