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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:12 PM Jan 2012

Satan cloaks himself in truth

once again, I have to point out that dealing directly with anti-choice fanatics is the best lesson imaginable in understanding how the right wing mind works, since their image of themselves as righteous holy warriors causes the filters to come off. Right off the bat in this article, Merle recounts a story to Irin that sums up beautifully the forces that are at play in the Iowa caucus right now.

Recently, Merle Hoffman gave a copy of her forthcoming memoir, “Intimate Wars,” to Sister Dorothy, a regular protester stationed outside Choices, the Queens, N.Y., abortion clinic that Hoffman founded.

“You know, it’s so honest,” Sister Dorothy told Hoffman after reading it, “but sometimes Satan cloaks himself in truth.”


"Satan cloaks himself in the truth." I can't think of a better summation of right wing attitudes about basically everything. No matter if truth conflicts with their ideology, because Satan is behind that truth. If you see how the candidates are campaigning, you'll see that "Satan cloaks himself in truth" is basically their mantra. Everyone is clawing past each other to see who can demonstrate their fealty to right wing myth over truth.

In fact, the more outrageous your myth-making, the better. One reason that Romney bores the right and causes them to dislike him so strongly is that he's not very good at spinning fantastical bullshit. Like I note at RH Reality Check, it's hard to imagine Romney busting out a whopper about doctors throwing a live baby in a bucket and leaving it there to die. Romney is mealy-mouthed about global warming, claiming (falsely) that we don't know what causes it,** which conservatives feel is a bare minimum requirement. But it's not exciting, like suggesting that there's an international conspiracy to invent global warming that scientists perpetuate because they're all secretly communists.

You know how it is when someone is telling a really juicy urban legend---perhaps that P&G is in league with Satan?---and you correct the record, telling them that didn't happen? You know how, as often as not, they respond with resentment that you're a dreamkiller, what with your facts and truths? Well, being a right winger is basically like spending all your time telling urban legends, putting anyone you suspect knows the truth into a bucket of people you dislike for ruining all the fun. The fear that Romney is only pretending to play along is driving a lot of resentment against him. He plays the record backwards, claims he hears Freddie Mercury say, "It's fun to smoke marijuana"***, but you suspect that he doesn't really care, and he's probably not going to burn his Queen records when he goes home, no matter what he says.

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Satan cloaks himself in truth (Original Post) phantom power Jan 2012 OP
Satan really DOES like truth Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #1
what? Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #2
Look up the meaning of Lucifer. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #3
I had 12 years of Catholic school Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #12
I didn't have that dubious honor. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #13
I didn't know God needed a DA Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #14
Yep Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #4
What.Fucking.Nonsense. (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #6
No sillier than anyone else's religion n/t Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #7
Exactly what I was going to say. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #8
Thank you Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #9
Then the Big Beard must be Satan Betty Karlson Jan 2012 #10
We're just going to have to differ on that one Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #16
I respectfully do so. Betty Karlson Jan 2012 #17
You too :) n/t Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #18
and knowledge is the tool by which he enslaves us? Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #11
No, knowledge is the tool through which we are freed Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #15
I thought you were talking about Dick Cheney, dammit! DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #5

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
1. Satan really DOES like truth
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:02 PM
Jan 2012

Forgive me defending my faith but Lucifer is a big proponant of self-improvement and expanding humanity's knowledge is always a part of that.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
2. what?
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:20 PM
Jan 2012

Expanding humanity's knowledge is the work of Lucifer?


Which would mean that God wants us to stay ignorant.



Is this honestly what your faith believes?




 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
12. I had 12 years of Catholic school
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:59 PM
Jan 2012

including being an alter boy and head of the school choir.

I have been properly indoctrinated and know the story of Lucifer.


Are you confusing this with "Light-Bearer"? If so, this has nothing to do with the bringing of knowledge.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
4. Yep
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 02:01 PM
Jan 2012

I'm a Luciferian Satanist. According to our theology, the Big Beard wishes to keep us in slavish dependence to him.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
16. We're just going to have to differ on that one
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 07:19 PM
Jan 2012

I suspect you and I are just going to have to accept our disagreement here.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
11. and knowledge is the tool by which he enslaves us?
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:53 PM
Jan 2012

if so, why are you on the internet? This thing is full of information/knowledge.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
15. No, knowledge is the tool through which we are freed
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 07:17 PM
Jan 2012

I think I need to make clear here that, in Luciferian theology, Lucifer is the justified rebel against a tyrannical god (which is why we worship Lucifer). Knowing that knowledge makes us less dependent on god and therefore, more free. If you think of the story of the garden (whether literal or metaphorical), what did the snake (whom we identify with Lucifer) offer but self-knowledge? And that knowledge made us less dependent on god, less the adoring sheep that god wanted us to be, free-er (is that a word?) to make our own way in the cosmos and decide our own morality.

That's how we see it anyway.

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